I really think you've got this one wrong.....europe' date=' mostly british controlled, will always essensially be behind Isreal because the people who jointly control America are deep within europe.[/quote']

 

See i can see their being elites in europe pulling the strings, im not doubting that at all, BUT Britian is not the ones controling it for the most part. the people who control america are not friends or allies with europe. on the surface we seem to be buddy buddy, but europe and america is controled by 2 different groups, who want to be on top.

 

I can see britian being pro israel because they side usualy with america, but the rest of europe still has deep ties to anti semetism and would never back israel. that will NEVER happen. israel and the jews are disliked way too much for most of europe to help them or back them.

 

europe and america are in a power struggle, europe wants to be back on top of the world. our leaders are in some ways enemies....although we have alot of the same enemies. i see europe and america more like 2 brothers fighting to be on top.

Media Helps Spin Every Attack into Anti-Iran Propaganda

Story of "Drone Attack" Plays Out Like a Game of "Telephone" Ending in "Iran Did It"

 

Initially the line was that an Israeli warship had been attacked by Hezbollah using unmanned drone aircraft laden with explosives. Presumably the follow-up would have been expected to be "hey, wait a minute, where did these guerrillas get such high-tech weapons?" which of course would be followed up on FOXNews and other government propaganda outlets with a resounding chorus of, "Iran, of course!"

 

That story never seemed to materialize, try as they might to use the situation to stir up anti-Hezbollah and anti-Iranian sentiment. At one point over the course of the weekend FOXNews did allege that the warship was in fact not a missle-carrying battle ship but a "civilian ship" that had been attacked. Drones being as common as they are these days (what with them flying all over California along the US-Mexico border for our "safety") people bought the drone story without considering any planned Iran subtext.

 

So the US-Israeli spin machine called on the media to step it up a notch, tranforming the drone into a super high-tech radar-guided missile, a C-802, which obviously was not only made in Iran but could only be launched with the careful assistance of an Elite band within the Iranian military.

 

"We can confirm that (the warship) was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," said Israeli Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan.

 

Do you hate Iran yet? Do you believe they are behind this yet? No? Well hold on tight and keep your eyes glued to your TV screens because war-fever has taken hold of the media and Washington and its not going to break until Iran is put in the hotseat.

 

corporate media propaganda

Israel Says Warship Attacked by Drone

Damaged Israeli warship hit by missile made in Iran

Militants' missile hits ship with Iranian troops' help

 

 

Iran is the evil one in this. the media does not have to spin it very much, because most american understand they are truly our enemy. iran is the biggest state sponser of terrorism in the world. and most of europe does not realize this but iran is their enemy too.

Blame Iran: Israel Attacks on Lebanon A Psy-Op to Push War on Iran

 

Listen to Alex's Jones great analysis

 

Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern and others within the CIA told us in the next three or four months (and that was about a month ago) that that Israel would create provations to attack Iran and Syria and it would probably start somewere in Palestine.

 

Anything the Globalists do always has a cost-benefit analysis. They look at a whole spectrum of New World Order interests and then they consider if something is better for their interests in the short term and in the long term or is it worse for their interests. If something fits a whole string of New World Order interests then they will push it.

 

One of the major pursposes of all of these attacks and saber rattling is to distract the populations of Israel and the US. This is a domestic diversion in Israel for Ulmert who is in a lot of trouble and also for Bush who is in a lot of trouble in the US. This really is the build-up to the October surprise. This will probably be some kind of limited strike on Iran and then Israel is going to spearhead a plan break up Iraq in to three or four parts using the US military. This of course comes from Israel's own documents going back to the early 80's and the Pentagon's own documents, this is not our opinion, this is their own admission, that they want to break up Syria into three parts, that they want to break up Iran into as many as six to eight parts, that they want to break Afghanistan into four parts, and that they even want to break Egypt into two parts.

 

So this is the official plan and they do this by escalating, by undertaking these provocations. Every few months Israeli soldiers get killed or get captured sometimes every day in the midst of the back and forth violence they have going with the Palestinians. Right now they're just hyping this and turning this into a big deal.

 

When the Israelis drop a thousand pound bomb on a neighborhood and kill 65 people at a pop, its loving and sweet and good because those are "sub-human Arabs" (or so the Media portrays) but when a suicide bomber blows themselves up (the few times its real and not a Mossad or Shin Bet operation, and by the way thats Israeli newspapers admitting their governments are creating fake Al Qaeda groups, Hamas groups, others), then we hear stories about the evil terrorists, the greatest evil in the world and I just refuse to be a part of this hypocritical propaganda any longer.

 

This is a clear provocation. Two weeks ago we heard when the first Israeli soldier got grabbed that Syria was running it all. Syria has been licking our boots, rolling over, arresting whoever Israel and the US say for some time now - its really pretty pathetic - so now they are trying to claim that they are behind these so-called kidnappings and its a transparent and total fraud.

 

Expanding out from there, now the Israeli military says that Iran has the two newest captured Israeli soldiers or that Hezbollah is trying to transfer them over there. Now this is the same Israeli government that through the ADL out of Canada put out the propaganda a few months a go that all Jews in Iran would soon be forced to wear yellow insignias on their coats, and that Christians would have to wear blue ones and Zoroastrians green ones.As it turns out this story has no connection to reality, its a total lie. Reuters and AP had to retract it. It was completely fabricated. It was an Iranian national law encouraging the government to give subsidies to textile companies that manufacture traditional Islamic dress. There was nothing in it about Jews, nothing in it about Christians it only said that companies over there would get a subsidy encouraging Islamic dress and not Levis. And BOOM thats translated into Stars of David to be worn by Jews. It is a total fraud just like the PR company who in 1990 hired the daughter of the company owner, who had never been to Kuwait, and had her make claims that she saw babies being thrown out of incubators, which of course turned out it was a total lie. We are being lied to over and over again.

 

Expanding on this, its about Israel being able to dominate that region with US control and help, its about turning off the spigots of oil. Historian Webster Tarpley agrees with that analysis, so does Investigative Journalist Greg Palast. We have the oil company documents that detail their plan to turn off the oil. Its about getting permanent bases there, its about taking over the whole region in the next "ten year plan" as they call it and then domestically its about a political distraction and a political football because in a war we have to get behind "our leaders." Israel is already saying they have to go all the way into southern Syria, then there can be some convenient attacks here in the US, and the government can claim that it was carried out by Hezbollah or Hamas, all of this stuff CIA controlled and a bit furthur down the rabbit hole and we will find ourselves invading Iran.

 

As a side note, let me make this comment, on the off chance than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does produce two Israeli soldiers we then that he is a government agent. As we've been covering there is absolutely no way to transport soldiers from Syria over to Iran without being noticed. The whole area is filled with soldiers and fighter planes and there is a control grid blanket across the area.

 

Why do we say there is a chance, a good chance, a fifty-fifty chance that the whole Iran regime is a staged event. Our government in 1953 overthrew Mossadeq by using staged terror attacks. We put the Shah in, then in 1979 he gets overthrown. The CIA admittedly was involved with the overhrow, operating out of Paris. The CIA then flies in the Ayatollah Khomeini, who they had been protecting for decades, from Paris to Iran and suddenly he grabs a bunch of hostages. The crisi is all blamed on Jimmy Carter and Reagan, under the control of Bush Sr., former CIA director, signs a back-room deal for hundreds of millions in missile launchers, weapons guidence systems, and cash for the Iranians to hold the hostages until the day of Reagan's inauguration. As soon as Reagan take office, the hostages are released. Reagan comes out looking like a tough guy. It was all staged. We know Bill Clinton in 1998 sent 45 million dollars into Iran who then funded Al Qaeda. This is all in a public Senate report by the Republicans: the plan was to attack the Serbs, blow up school buses, attack schools, using Al CIAda who is always starting fires and doing the globalist bidding. The serbs fight back and Al Qaeda is forced to pull out. And so now we see Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doing everything he is supposed to.

 

Upon first review of the claims that Iran was going to receive the captured Israeli soldiers, it seemed completely far-fetched, but further consideration of the players involved in this conflict revealed exactly why Iran would take such a deadly step. We know that Israel controls Hammas. We know that Israel manipulates Hezbollah, so guaranteed there are many nexus points here, this only benfits israel and the globalist interests in the US. Ahmadinejad has been widely acclaimed as being involved in holding the captives back in the Jimmy Carter error under the Ayatollah Khomeini. We know that was a CIA operation. There is no debating that our government staged that with them and made a deal to hold it off until Reagan was in the Whitehouse. That is how sophisticated these people are.

 

Three years ago, many of Infowars' military sources indicated that any attacks of Iran would be limited and that the focus of any spread of the Iraq conflict would be on Syria. Now however those same sources are revealing that the conflict could encompass both Iran and Syria. At this point everything is up in the air. Ahmadinejad could be another Globalist setup like Saddam Hussein. Saddam was their boy from the time they hired him in 1954 and trained him as an assassin before moving him in 1969 to the head of Bathist security forces. The CIA made a deal to make him the head of security intelligence in trade for putting an end to their secret campaign to kill Iranian leaders. In 1979 the CIA staged a coup and put Saddam in power only to later set him up, telling him to go ahead and invade Kuwait so that they could pull the rug out from under him.

 

Again we know there are dealings between our government, Israel and Iran. We know that they've been in bed together before on attacking the Serbs and many other things but right now we don't know what they are going to pull. We just all have to be aware of these different ingredients.

again anti semetism. europe would side with any nation, other then a jewish one.

 

they complain more and hate more israel then their enemies....thats racism at its worst.

 

and what is truly sad is you stand up to defend one of the most evil and worst goverments around. the biggest sponser of terrorism. how can you support iran?

You haven't read what I posted......AND I'm not supporting Iran.

 

Jesus Christ!!! We (UK) and you (U.S) are forcing this one.....so that Iran becomes the enemy.....just like they wanted all along.....it's not about supporting Iran.

 

Calling it 'anti semitism' all the time is showing a real lack of understanding. It's too easy for you to dismiss it as 'anti semitism'.....what's up with that......I think you just like shouting that out.....that's not the way is works.

You haven't read what I posted......AND I'm not supporting Iran.

 

Jesus Christ!!! We (UK) and you (U.S) are forcing this one.....so that Iran becomes the enemy.....just like they wanted all along.....it's not about supporting Iran.

 

Iran IS the enemy. though, america does not have to force that. Iran is truly a threat to america and europe, and if we let them get nukes, then we are ALL in BIG trouble.

Iran IS the enemy. though' date=' america does not have to force that. Iran is truly a threat to america and europe, and if we let them get nukes, then we are ALL in BIG trouble.[/quote']

 

..........god.

 

1) "IRAN is the enemy!!" - the media and government have won you over there then....like all the other little like-minded sheep.

 

2) "NUKES, they got NUKES to kill us!!" - Again the media make you THINK they have nukes....when infact the experts say they couldn't make them for 10 years.

If you wan't to talk about stopping a current dictator/regime with the ability to use WMD then look at North Korea....they are FAR worse.

 

See, it's not about the "terrible Arabs people with WMD" it's about gaining control and money from the middle east.....it's wrtten in US documents that these wars are needed for an assertion of power.......that is REALLY what this is all about.....and if you think otherwise then your sadly wrong. All this anti-jew rubbish is a fake argument....it's a smoke screen to hide the real goings on.

..........god.

 

1) "IRAN is the enemy!!" - the media and government have won you over there then....like all the other little like-minded sheep.

 

2) "NUKES, they got NUKES to kill us!!" - Again the media make you THINK they have nukes....when infact the experts say they couldn't make them for 10 years.

If you wan't to talk about stopping a current dictator/regime with the ability to use WMD then look at North Korea....they are FAR worse.

 

See, it's not about the "terrible Arabs people with WMD" it's about gaining control and money from the middle east.....it's wrtten in US documents that these wars are needed for an assertion of power.......that is REALLY what this is all about.....and if you think otherwise then your sadly wrong. All this anti-jew rubbish is a fake argument....it's a smoke screen to hide the real goings on.

 

The media played no role, in knowing iran is the enemy. COMMON SENSE and knowing what their goverment does, stand fors and wants did that.

 

I know they dont have nukes, i NEVER SAID THEY DID. BUT they are on their way to getting them, and 10 years is still way too close. NK is not nearly as bad as iran is, iran is MUCH more of a threat then north korea will EVER be.

 

Im sorry but so much hatred towards the jews in europe, simply does not go away, and never will. like racism agaisnt black people in america. its deep within european culture.

Keep believing, but at a terrible price.

There will be a terrible price. the price we all will pay because europe is looking the other way. and huge war will happen.

That is NOT going to be the reason why a huge war will happen.

 

Europe looking the other way? show me this time.

Wildly disproportionate attack on Lebanon seems like pretext to confront Iran

 

Toronto Star | July 16, 2006

by Linda McQuaig

 

As Israeli firepower rained down on Lebanon last week, pundits here in the West wasted no time pinning the blame on — Iran.

 

"Iran and its radical allies are pushing toward war," wrote Washington Post columnist David Ignatius.

 

Washington defence commentator Edward Luttwak weighed in: "Iran's leaders have apparently decided to reject the Western offer to peacefully settle the dispute over its weapons-grade uranium-enrichment program."

 

In fact, Iran's leaders haven't rejected the "Western offer;" they've said publicly they will respond to it by Aug. 22. This isn't fast enough however to satisfy Washington, which considers the "offer" more of an ultimatum.

 

Is it really Iran that is pushing for war? Think about it. Why would Iran want to provoke a war with Israel and the U.S. — both heavily armed nuclear powers — when it has no nuclear weapons itself?

 

The U.S. and Israel, on the other hand, are very keen to attack Iran. In a recent series of articles in New Yorker magazine, Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has detailed Washington's plans to attack Iran. Israel has called Iran a "major threat" that "must be stopped" from developing nuclear weapons.

 

But the U.S. and Israel don't want to look like aggressors. They insist their intentions are purely defensive. Recall that Washington also claimed its invasion of Iraq was purely defensive — to protect itself from Iraq's arsenal of deadly weapons, which, it turned out, didn't exist.

 

So when Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon seized two Israeli soldiers last week, a perfect opportunity arose. Since Hezbollah has links to Iran, presto, here was a prima facie case that Iran was gunning for confrontation.

 

Did the Western pundits who quickly embraced this theory ever consider that the Hezbollah militants, as well as the Palestinian militants in Gaza who captured a single Israeli soldier last month, might have had their own motives for striking Israel?

 

Certainly the Palestinians have endless grievances against Israel. In addition to four decades of Israeli military occupation of their land, Israel has attempted to destroy the Hamas government, which was democratically elected by Palestinians last January.

 

Hezbollah's seizure of the two Israeli soldiers was probably an act of support for the Palestinians in Gaza, who have been under Israeli military siege since the capture of the first soldier. Hezbollah also said it seized the soldiers because it wanted to trade them for Lebanese prisoners held in Israeli jails. A similar Israeli-Hezbollah prisoner exchange took place in 2004.

 

Abandoning Canada's traditional role as an honest broker in the Middle East, Prime Minister Stephen Harper unabashedly supported Israel last week, calling its devastating attacks on Gaza and Lebanon "measured."

 

If Israel is simply trying to "defend" itself, its actions are wildly disproportionate.

 

On the other hand, if Israel and the U.S. are looking for an excuse to attack Iran, the capture of the Israeli soldiers is as good as any.

 

 

 

I'm not suprised Canada has gotten into bed with the US on this one.......PM Stephen Harper is bad news for Canadians.

That is NOT going to be the reason why a huge war will happen.

 

Europe looking the other way? show me this time.

 

 

The rise of terrorism, iran getting more powerful, getting ready to get a nuke, north korea with a nuke...they are ignoring very bad things that are happening. the rise of radical islam will be the new "nazism" as usual most the world is ignoring these thigns and looking the other way thinking if they ignore it, it will get better.

This stuff isn't being ignored exactly like you seem to think.

"If Israel is simply trying to "defend" itself, its actions are wildly disproportionate."

 

Oh, so they should respond next time with a few ww2 missiles.....the terrorist and lebanon are gettign what they asked for, they made the first move and attacked, now they are getting the shit bombed out of them for that, israel shouldnt have attack back disproportionately....there is no reason to. in war when an enemy attack you attack back the best you can....you dont tryto match what they are doing.

 

 

 

"On the other hand, if Israel and the U.S. are looking for an excuse to attack Iran, the capture of the Israeli soldiers is as good as any."

 

We dont need an excuse, Iran being THE BIGGEST sponser of terrorism, a huge threat to us and europe is reason enough...not to mention they are gonna have nukes if no one does anything about it.

 

your mind set is the same mindset of europe and most the world, and that mind set is the same as pre-ww2....if didnt have that mindset back then alot of shit could have been avoided......sadly you and most of the world has not changed or listened to the lessons history has tried to teach us

 

"those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"

 

just like america in iraq, we didnt learn lessons from vietnam and we are finding ourselves facing alot of the same crap we should have learned from.

This stuff isn't being ignored exactly like you seem to think.

 

its being ignored. no one is doing anythign about these things, when they have the power to nip this in the bud.

oh but it is. anti semetism is been huge in europe for thousands of years' date=' something like that simply does not go away. something that deep within culture does not fade away. the jews have been blame, and hated and killed in europe for thousands of years. just like in modern america there still is dislike and distrust and sometimes hatred to african americans, because something that deep and huge never fades away.[/u']

this goes to show you REALLY do not know what you're talking about. because no country in europe pulls the strings in america. the simple fact that the elit in europe hate america for its power and rule over them, proves otherwise. Europe's "Elite" are the ones who want to control america but will never. they are jelous of america since ww2, because of the power we have held over europe. and the fact we had a huge war on many years with the soviet empire. but when it comes down to it, america pulls the strings in its own nation, and that REALLY pisses off the leaders of europe.

 

Alot of the troubles between europe and america come from different cultures, but the fact were on top, and have alot of control over europe, not vice versa

 

 

^ this is the biggest crock of shit I have read from you yet!! lol keep up the good work there...

you're right, racism doesnt exist...its only against black people in america.

 

you were the one, who goes on about racism still being really bad in america....its the same way in the world.

 

something that old and deep within a society DOES NOT go away. it hasnt gone away in europe or in america and never will.

"If Israel is simply trying to "defend" itself, its actions are wildly disproportionate."

 

Oh, so they should respond next time with a few ww2 missiles.....the terrorist and lebanon are gettign what they asked for, they made the first move and attacked, now they are getting the shit bombed out of them for that, israel shouldnt have attack back disproportionately....there is no reason to. in war when an enemy attack you attack back the best you can....you dont tryto match what they are doing.

 

 

 

"On the other hand, if Israel and the U.S. are looking for an excuse to attack Iran, the capture of the Israeli soldiers is as good as any."

 

We dont need an excuse, Iran being THE BIGGEST sponser of terrorism, a huge threat to us and europe is reason enough...not to mention they are gonna have nukes if no one does anything about it.

 

your mind set is the same mindset of europe and most the world, and that mind set is the same as pre-ww2....if didnt have that mindset back then alot of shit could have been avoided......sadly you and most of the world has not changed or listened to the lessons history has tried to teach us

 

"those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"

 

just like america in iraq, we didnt learn lessons from vietnam and we are finding ourselves facing alot of the same crap we should have learned from.

 

 

no, no, no way.....you don't get to give me a 'history lesson'.

 

The facts are that the US is hell bent on attacking Iran and taking over another part of that region. The US carries out more outragous terrorism than Iran. What do you call destroying Iraq and killing thousands upon thousnads of people - all this on a big lie.

 

LEARN FROM THAT BIG MISTAKE!!! A LEARN IT WAS ALL FOR MONEY AND POWER!!

 

Iran has no where near been proved a massive threat......and all these 'terrorists cells' that are currently operating were either (a) created by the US or (b) formed in response to US or Isreali aggression.....i.e Hezbollah formed after Isreal went into southern Lebanon.

 

Whenever the US or the UK or Isreal carry out major attacks with lots of needless deaths it's called a good old war.........but when anyone else acts in the style of war it's labelled 'terrorism'.

 

We are not going to stand for this blatent attempt by the global superpowers to take over another part of the world.

you're right, racism doesnt exist...its only against black people in america.

 

you were the one, who goes on about racism still being really bad in america....its the same way in the world.

 

something that old and deep within a society DOES NOT go away. it hasnt gone away in europe or in america and never will.

 

did I say that??? I just said that you talk alot of shit........ I know racsim hasn't diminished you nut head! I experience it everyday!!!! :angry: :rolleyes:

no, no, no.....you don't get to give me a 'history lesson'.

 

The facts are that the US is hell bent on attacking Iran and taking over another part of that region. The US carries out more outragous terrorism than Iran. What do you call destroying Iraq and killing thousands upon thousnads of people - all this on a big lie.

 

LEARN FROM THAT BIG MISTAKE!!! A LEARN IT WAS ALL FOR MONEY AND POWER!!

 

Iran has no where near been proved a massive threat......and all these 'terrorists cells' that are currently operating where either (a) created by the US or (b) formed in response to US or Isreali aggression.....i.e Hezbollah formed after Isreal went into southern Lebanon.

 

Whenever the US or the UK or Isreal carry out major attacks with lots of needless deaths it's called a good old war.........but when anyone else acts in the style of war it's labelled 'terrorism'.

 

We are not going to stand for this blatent attempt by the global superpowers to take over another part of the world.

 

 

So what if we want to attack iran? we have good reason too..nukes and they are the biggest sponser of terrorism. they are a threat to us and our allies. Iran IS a massive threat, terrorism being the biggest threat right now and they are biggets supporterse of that, the backbone of modern islamic terrorism, add a nuke into the equation and were all screwed.

 

No, because when other nations attack its not called terrorism. when saddam attacked kuwait that was not terrorism. if iran were to outright attack israel that would NOT be considered terrorism.

 

Its not about taking over the world, its about stopping a major war that is coming, the only problem is europe doesnt want to believe its coming.

did I say that??? I just said that you talk alot of shit........ I know racsim hasn't diminished you nut head! I experience it everyday!!!! :angry: :rolleyes:

 

Ok then. you seem to act like racism is only agaisnt your race and blacks. when its against all races. there will always be racism in america against blacks that will shape our politics and social issues, jsut like in europe, their main racism was against the jews...that will not stop. anti semetism will always shape european politics on issues that deal with jews, like in america on issues that deal with latino's or blacks.....you seem to think its only with latino's and black.

 

SO you're saying that anti semetism is not shaping europes outlook on israel?

No, it's about talking over the world. Stealing resources and killing as many people in the process it seems.

 

What you are saying about Iran is exactly what the mainstream media (who is owned by people who benefit from wars) is spouting out. It's sad that so mant people get lied to in such a way, Just like last time with Iraq.

Ok then. you seem to act like racism is only agaisnt your race and blacks. when its against all races. there will always be racism in america against blacks that will shape our politics and social issues, jsut like in europe, their main racism was against the jews...that will not stop. anti semetism will always shape european politics on issues that deal with jews, like in america on issues that deal with latino's or blacks.....you seem to think its only with latino's and black.

 

SO you're saying that anti semetism is not shaping europes outlook on israel?

 

 

no shit! Racism is not just confined to minorities... lol I KNOW THIS!! :lol: You are sooooo funny!!

 

 

AND to be exact... I haven't even chosen a side in this whole middle east conflict.. it all seems so fucked up.. and I don't know the facts... so how does race come into this? AND for the record... this isn't about racisim.... Judisim (Jewish people) isn't a race.... its a religion.

no shit! Racism is not just confined to minorities... lol I KNOW THIS!! :lol: You are sooooo funny!!

 

 

AND to be exact... I haven't even chosen a side in this whole middle east conflict.. it all seems so fucked up.. and I don't know the facts... so how does race come into this? AND for the record... this isn't about racisim.... Judisim (Jewish people) isn't a race.... its a religion.

 

its all a race of people, jews can be a religion and/or a race of people......

 

you called what i said crap. i was saying europes poltical views are messed up because of their anti semetism against jews. just like america's polltical stance on most of africa is changed by its racism towards black people.