true. that is quite worrysome. :stunned:

im fucking jewish you dick. don't ever implicate me being klu klux klan. its not funny and i see no reason why that should allow you to keep your account when you are blatantly racist and anti-semitic.

 

army soldiers storm around corner killing little children.... thats a little dramatic isn't it? i'm trying to remember when the israeli army has shot dead five and two year old children. I CAN'T! BECAUSE THATS NEVER HAPPENED. using such examples shows you have absolutely no clue about the situation or politics unlike everyone else that posts in this forum. get your facts straight then post. don't over dramatise for empathy.

 

when i refer to terrorist i refer to hamas and islamic jihad and the like. not everyday palestinians or muslims of which several of my friends are, they are peaceful. its just unfortunate that these orginisations are able to publish books that are anti-israel then give them to school children. i have seen these books with my own eyes so don't question the authenticity.

 

I thought as much... its a pity they wont let you know the TRUTH... of what happens..

you dont even have too look to far for it...

go on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news for a balanced reports on these issues...

and I was not saying you are apart of the klu klux klan btw...

and as for calling me a dick.... thanks !

hot topic here, I know...

 

lets all try to be respectful of one another's views and keep the name calling to an minimum if none at all.

 

--as the days progress, I am sure this situation is only going to get hotter, so lets all try to be mindful of the forum rules and guidelines.. and try to educate one another.... instead of insulting each other.

 

cheers!

hot topic here, I know...

 

lets all try to be respectful of one another's views and keep the name calling to an minimum if none at all.

 

--as the days progress, I am sure this situation is only going to get hotter, so lets all try to be mindful of the forum rules and guidelines.. and try to educate one another.... instead of insulting each other.

 

cheers!

 

good idea.

 

i have been reading through this thread, and both sides of the argument are respectable. your average CP forum person has no control over what anyones government does.

A world where Isreal have three soldiers captured and use it as an excuse to go all out on a massive offensive.

 

And also, why is it that everytime the Isreal, U.S or the U.K attack and use force it's called 'liberation' or similar.....but when palistine or any Islamic nation attacks it's 'terrorsim'?? Even if the US or UK are the initial aggressor....

 

Yeah, they have every right to attack back when attacked by terrorist. Its any countries right to do that.

1 - That's utterly false, Israels military actions are NOT always in self defence, protecting thier citizens.

 

2 - Not 'Liberation' in Isreals case but it's never called terrorsim

 

Yeah you're right, they just like fighting. THey are not threatened by the terrorist attacking them all the time....:rolleyes:

When terrorist pigs are attacking a nation because they wanna kill every jew, they have a right to fight back. The terrorist are trying to do a holocaust, the only difference is this time the jews are more powerful. so the jews are defending themselves from racist pigs trying to do a modern day holocaust.

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Exactly. :cool:

I thought as much... its a pity they wont let you know the TRUTH... of what happens..

you dont even have too look to far for it...

go on www.bbc.co.uk/news for a balanced reports on these issues...

and I was not saying you are apart of the klu klux klan btw...

and as for calling me a dick.... thanks !

 

yeah i never said i can't see both sides of the argument. theres radicals on both sides who make some bad ill informed choices. this whole thing is likud. if labor was still in power and rabin wasn't assasinated the middle east would be alot more peaceful.

 

thanks for the bbc link btw has some good reporting. in regards to anti-semitism and racism. i think both of us should leave it behind us as berrywoman said and focus on enriching our minds to the other side of the equation so we have a balanced perpective

army soldiers storm around corner killing little children.... thats a little dramatic isn't it? i'm trying to remember when the israeli army has shot dead five and two year old children. I CAN'T! BECAUSE THATS NEVER HAPPENED. using such examples shows you have absolutely no clue about the situation or politics unlike everyone else that posts in this forum. get your facts straight then post. don't over dramatise for empathy.

 

He's not dramatising anything, Israeli invasion to Gaza has already killed many innocent civilians included kids, just like 3 days ago, a marriage and its 7 kids died because of one soildier that bombed their home. In Lebanon already died like 64 people, mostly poor who live near the border with Israel... It is obvious that Israeli actions are totally irreflective and its attacks indiscriminated bombing whatever they can, even the infrastructure and civilian places.

 

Who the heck is going to stop them? this brutal assault will just bring more problems for the whole area, reciently Iran menaced Israel with strong actions if its army gets into Syria also...

He's not dramatising anything, Israeli invasion to Gaza has already killed many innocent civilians included kids, just like 3 days ago, a marriage and its 7 kids died because of one soildier that bombed their home. In Lebanon already died like 64 people, mostly poor who live near the border with Israel... It is obvious that Israeli actions are totally irreflective and its attacks indiscriminated bombing whatever they can, even the infrastructure and civilian places.

 

Who the heck is going to stop them? this brutal assault will just bring more problems for the whole area, reciently Iran menaced Israel with strong actions if its army gets into Syria also...

 

Thats sad, but israel has a right to attack its attackers. In war innocent people die, that is truly sad, but the evil ones arent the ones defending themselves. people seem to think the terrorist are the good ones and the freedom fighters, while the israeli's are the bad ones.

 

If anyone is to be blamed or mad at, it is nations like iran, and terrorist groups attackign nations and stirring up trouble. but for some odd reason, people dont like and side with israel...i cant figure out why...:rolleyes: its like they dont like the people for some odd reason....:rolleyes:

Thats sad, but israel has a right to attack its attackers. In war innocent people die, that is truly sad, but the evil ones arent the ones defending themselves. people seem to think the terrorist are the good ones and the freedom fighters, while the israeli's are the bad ones.

 

If anyone is to be blamed or mad at, it is nations like iran, and terrorist groups attackign nations and stirring up trouble. but for some odd reason, people dont like and side with israel...i cant figure out why...:rolleyes: its like they dont like the people for some odd reason....:rolleyes:

 

Damn, you think like a wild animal... obviously you have no idea what war is like but you feel with authority to talk about it since your country has acted in many but actually it hasn't had one in its own territory.

 

Its very stupid to say someone or a country has the right to attack after being attacked because that just would be the destruction of everything known. WE'RE HUMANS! (CONSCIENT ANIMALS) d'you even know about DIPLOMACY AND TALK? you cannot be so stupid to not understand this...

 

This just happens because people with your mentality is in the power and that is so sad... please NEVER postulate yourself for president...

Damn, you think like a wild animal... obviously you have no idea what war is like but you feel with authority to talk about it since your country has acted in many but actually it hasn't had one in its own territory.

 

Its very stupid to say someone or a country has the right to attack after being attacked because that just would be the destruction of everything known. WE'RE HUMANS! (CONSCIENT ANIMALS) d'you even know about DIPLOMACY AND TALK? you cannot be so stupid to not understand this...

 

This just happens because people with your mentality is in the power and that is so sad... please NEVER postulate yourself for president...

 

We've had a war on our own territory, we have been attacked several times in on our own territory. its not stupid for a nation to defend itself when attacked.

 

if more people had my mentality, we wouldnt have ww1 or 2 and 3 wouldnt be on its way.....i understand a nation has a right and a duty to defend itself when attacked, you seem not to think so......if leaders thought like you, we'd be screwed. actaully leader did think like you and hilter almost won ww2. The fact is you cant just ignore an enemy, you have to defend your nation. nothing wrong or evil about that. every nation has a right to do that, and every nation should. just like i have a right to protect myself when someones trying to break into my house. israel is doing the right thing, they were attacked, they are defending themselves.

 

people you dont seem to understand how the world works, and people like you only make things worse. we have too many leaders in europe and other parts of the world, who wont stand up to these enemies, and when they do, they are evil and wrong, and bad.....i guess the exact same thing would have happened if america or any other nation tried to stop hitler before ww2. but mark my words, ww3 or for considering how you count the cold war, is on its way. and yet again the morons of this world, think ignoring it and looking the other way will make things better and go away. but atleast a few nations know they have to stand up and fight for their freedom and to protect themselves. something that other nations are going to have to do in teh future but at a far greater price because of their appeasement. someone could have nipped hitler and ww2 in the bud, if they had the courage to do it, sadly like now days, people think its evil and wrong. maybe we could send all these terrorist groups and nation a big thing of flowers and chocolate and we can all get along?

 

So if smart thinking is thinking like a wild animal, then i guess so. but atleast a wild animal, well most know when threatened they have to do something about it, instead of pretending everything is ok.

whats this turmoil really about though.... I'm not very educated on this situation. Is it for land?

whats this turmoil really about though.... I'm not very educated on this situation. Is it for land?

 

If you have to ask, you're too far gone. Its about hate. These terrorist groups and their supporters like iran and syria want nothing more then a modern day holocaust, to kill the jews and destroy their nation. it is not about land, its about hate. because if israel was to go away, the land would be carved up by the arab nations and the palestinians would be treated badly still but this time by other arab nations.

 

Iran wants to fuck things up in this area for israel. they cant take israel on in a full out war, but they can do alot through terrorism. Its quite possible though, they want to draw israel into a war in which they would face iran and syria, although thats unlikely, seeing as how israel would still win.

I stopped reading after the first sentence.....

 

 

 

there's a reason they hate each other.. and its not just religion... this is what I am asking.... :rolleyes: they've hated each other for centuries!!!!!!! I want to know the deep root of this conflict... thats why I ask if it started over land...

 

 

 

and I am being completely honest here... I have no background knowledge on this issue because I have always steered clear of it.... I'm not being facetious..

I stopped reading after the first sentence.....

 

 

 

there's a reason they hate each other.. and its not just religion... this is what I am asking.... :rolleyes: they've hated each other for centuries!!!!!!! I want to know the deep root of this conflict... thats why I ask if it started over land...

 

 

 

and I am being completely honest here... I have no background knowledge on this issue because I have always steered clear of it.... I'm not being facetious..

 

Thats why you dont know much about the world. you dont have the stomach to learn about it.

 

I FUCKING TOLD YOU THE DEEP ROOT OF THE CONFLICT. HATE. the muslim want to kill the jews, the jews are the most hated group of people ever, and always have been.

 

its not about land, its about one side wanting to kill another because of hate.

fuck you. I don't have the stomach for the fuckin truth!! tell me that when you've walked a day in my shoes... you punk!

 

 

as for your side of the story.... I'll wait to see how others reply to my plea... when your story can be verified by someone a bit more 'trustworthy' then I'll believe you.... but dont tell me what I have and have not the stomach for.....

fuck you. I don't have the stomach for the fuckin truth!! tell me that when you've walked a day in my shoes... you punk!

 

 

as for your side of the story.... I'll wait to see how others reply to my plea... when your story can be verified by someone a bit more 'trustworthy' then I'll believe you.... but dont tell me what I have and have not the stomach for.....

 

HAHAHA again you have proven my point.

 

ok lets use reason, shall we? if it was about land, why did they all of a sudden want the land when the jews came? why was there no push for freedom when they were being mistreated by other arab nations? All of a sudden when the jews arrive and have a nation they claim they want a palestine....

someone told me once that it dates back to the time of Moses... when he led the Jews out of Israel... then I suppose the Palestinians moved in... and then the Jews wanted their land back because the 'bible' said that the 'holy land' is theirs etc... something to those extremes.... I understand the hatred stems from beliefs.. and religion... I just want to understand. Beyond the bombings.. beyond the terror...

someone told me once that it dates back to the time of Moses... when he led the Jews out of Israel... then I suppose the Palestinians moved in... and then the Jews wanted their land back because the 'bible' said that the 'holy land' is theirs etc... something to those extremes.... I understand the hatred stems from beliefs.. and religion... I just want to understand. Beyond the bombings.. beyond the terror...

 

 

Its simple hatred. Thats why. like i said, you'll probably ignore this because it calls for the use of reason, there was no movement for a palestine when they were under muslim control and were being mistreated, but when the people they hate control the land, they want to kill them.

someone told me once that it dates back to the time of Moses... when he led the Jews out of Israel... then I suppose the Palestinians moved in... and then the Jews wanted their land back because the 'bible' said that the 'holy land' is theirs etc... something to those extremes.... I understand the hatred stems from beliefs.. and religion... I just want to understand. Beyond the bombings.. beyond the terror...

 

^what part of this do YOU not understand.... I just agreed with you on that part you nit! But there has to be more than just the hate.... :rolleyes:

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^what part of this do YOU not understand.... I just agreed with you on that part you nit! But there has to be more than just the hate.... :rolleyes:

 

ok ok, so if its more then hate. what? if it was more then just hate there would have been efforts to form a palestine before the jews came. Hate is the biggest reason behind all of the problems, and religion. those 2 things are really the only things behind it.

From what I could hear from the tv news and what I understood (keep in mind that my neices were yelling and couldn't listen properly since there was a lot of noise in the room) was that besides from the dislike of each other...Lebanon captured some Israeli people which made the Israeli people upset and then it was called for war.. just when Lebanon was replying back, trying and saying to keep peace the Israelis started bombing Lebanon. Lebanon is now calling help from the United Nations and US but Bush in other words said to let them fight and to keep civilians out of their way as if that's going to happen....

 

Let me know if anything I said was wrong..because I also want to know