you are right up to the point where you talk about lebanon being bombed. the lebanese govt is mostly free from blame. hezbollah controls most of what goes on in lebanon. kind of like the taliban of lebanon. hezbollah is funded and directed by syria and iran. so in summation, Israel is retaliating against hezbollah in lebanon.

We've had a war on our own territory, we have been attacked several times in on our own territory. its not stupid for a nation to defend itself when attacked.

 

if more people had my mentality, we wouldnt have ww1 or 2 and 3 wouldnt be on its way.....i understand a nation has a right and a duty to defend itself when attacked, you seem not to think so......if leaders thought like you, we'd be screwed. actaully leader did think like you and hilter almost won ww2. The fact is you cant just ignore an enemy, you have to defend your nation. nothing wrong or evil about that. every nation has a right to do that, and every nation should. just like i have a right to protect myself when someones trying to break into my house. israel is doing the right thing, they were attacked, they are defending themselves.

 

people you dont seem to understand how the world works, and people like you only make things worse. we have too many leaders in europe and other parts of the world, who wont stand up to these enemies, and when they do, they are evil and wrong, and bad.....i guess the exact same thing would have happened if america or any other nation tried to stop hitler before ww2. but mark my words, ww3 or for considering how you count the cold war, is on its way. and yet again the morons of this world, think ignoring it and looking the other way will make things better and go away. but atleast a few nations know they have to stand up and fight for their freedom and to protect themselves. something that other nations are going to have to do in teh future but at a far greater price because of their appeasement. someone could have nipped hitler and ww2 in the bud, if they had the courage to do it, sadly like now days, people think its evil and wrong. maybe we could send all these terrorist groups and nation a big thing of flowers and chocolate and we can all get along?

 

So if smart thinking is thinking like a wild animal, then i guess so. but atleast a wild animal, well most know when threatened they have to do something about it, instead of pretending everything is ok.

 

Man you reaally have no ethics, I guess you miss that subject in America's schools...

 

You always use the Hitler example as a justification for your country's actual actions, believing your country was a saviour. But once again if you understand history you know why Hitler got the power he got from German people, that at the time felt humulliated and prone to the consecuencies of the 1st world war... Everything bad that happens today its just a consecuence of the bad things that happened already. Even you, a moron should know that this is a vicious-destructive circle that will lead people to anything but myssery, wars just bring more and more war... and you're still so idiotic to justify it. War doesn't solve anything: The disputes in our actual world root deeply in our most basic differences, like nationality, whealty, poberty, race, religion... We need a TOTAL change of mind if we ever want to stop these problems but so far the best we can do is realise it and try to speak, help each other, NEVER to preech violence, then people wouldn't have to fight to be heared... but I totally understand for mediocre people like you is way more easy to use brutal force killing tons of people to solve things just temporaly.

 

Just take a look on Africa, a lot of bad things happen there and it seems is very difficult for the most rich countries to give some money and help that people who are in total disgrace, YEAH PEOPLE... first than countries and companies. We're humans who think and are able to help each other.

 

You're not even smart and how you talk now just shows how selfish and unconcious you are, now that you like to mention Hitler a lot, I say people like you are potential megalomaniacs like him.

you are right up to the point where you talk about lebanon being bombed. the lebanese govt is mostly free from blame. hezbollah controls most of what goes on in lebanon. kind of like the taliban of lebanon. hezbollah is funded and directed by syria and iran. so in summation' date=' Israel is retaliating against hezbollah in lebanon.[/quote']

 

Oh yes and obviously the national airport was Hezbollah'smain base so Israel needed to bomb it... there was a very famous bridge there in Lebanon that took years to construct, like a great achieve for the country. And now is destroyed, I guess is because some terrorist were hidding there...

From what I could hear from the tv news and what I understood (keep in mind that my neices were yelling and couldn't listen properly since there was a lot of noise in the room) was that besides from the dislike of each other...Lebanon captured some Israeli people which made the Israeli people upset and then it was called for war.. just when Lebanon was replying back, trying and saying to keep peace the Israelis started bombing Lebanon. Lebanon is now calling help from the United Nations and US but Bush in other words said to let them fight and to keep civilians out of their way as if that's going to happen....

 

Let me know if anything I said was wrong..because I also want to know

 

Good, israel has a right to do something about them attacking israel. you people act like its evil for israel to do something about terrorist and other nations attacking it. like it doesnt have a right ot fight back.

Man you reaally have no ethics, I guess you miss that subject in America's schools...

 

You always use the Hitler example as a justification for your country's actual actions, believing your country was a saviour. But once again if you understand history you know why Hitler got the power he got from German people, that at the time felt humulliated and prone to the consecuencies of the 1st world war... Everything bad that happens today its just a consecuence of the bad things that happened already. Even you, a moron should know that this is a vicious-destructive circle that will lead people to anything but myssery, wars just bring more and more war... and you're still so idiotic to justify it. War doesn't solve anything: The disputes in our actual world root deeply in our most basic differences, like nationality, whealty, poberty, race, religion... We need a TOTAL change of mind if we ever want to stop these problems but so far the best we can do is realise it and try to speak, help each other, NEVER to preech violence, then people wouldn't have to fight to be heared... but I totally understand for mediocre people like you is way more easy to use brutal force killing tons of people to solve things just temporaly.

 

Just take a look on Africa, a lot of bad things happen there and it seems is very difficult for the most rich countries to give some money and help that people who are in total disgrace, YEAH PEOPLE... first than countries and companies. We're humans who think and are able to help each other.

 

You're not even smart and how you talk now just shows how selfish and unconcious you are, now that you like to mention Hitler a lot, I say people like you are potential megalomaniacs like him.

 

I have ethics. i just know being ignorant and appeasing the enemies and ignoring problems ONLY causes more useless loss of innocent lives. thats the difference between you and i. history has shown me that. you wanna talk about ethic, people with your mind set in the end only cause more loss of human life.

 

people had your mind set in europe pre ww2, and because of that tens of millions died when it could have been only a few million. mind set like yours only causes more loss of life in the end.

 

you wanna talk about ethics, lets talk about a modern day holocuast the muslims are trying to do, and im the bad one for saying israel has a right to stop this? yeah whose the one without ethics? what are you going to say next? if the jews tried to stop the first holocaust they would have been doing evil?

Good' date=' israel has a right to do something about them attacking israel. [/quote']

 

Hey, now that made a lot of sense, uhou :wacko:

 

you people act like its evil for israel to do something about terrorist and other nations attacking it. like it doesnt have a right ot fight back.

 

Maybe, but the international comunity needs to protest and raise its voice when it comes to something affecting THOUSANDS of innocents civilians, actions like Israel's violate internation treaties, signed long time ago.

Hey, now that made a lot of sense, uhou :wacko:

 

 

 

Maybe, but the international comunity needs to protest and raise its voice when it comes to something affecting THOUSANDS of innocents civilians, actions like Israel's violate internation treaties, signed long time ago.

 

again, you think israel is wrong for trying to stop a modern day holocuast. thats sick.

If there's any actual antisemitism for the Jew people, would be simply a product of the irreflective, wrong politics the Israeli goverment has been aplying during years in the Middle East... just as simply as that.

If there's any actual antisemitism for the Jew people' date=' would be simply a product of the irreflective, wrong politics the Israeli goverment has been aplying during years in the Middle East... just as simply as that.[/quote']

 

antisemitism has been around for thousands of years. the jews are and have been the most hated people in earth's history. the only antisemitism is coming from europe and the muslims. you dont seem to realize this simple fact. and im the un-ethical one for not being anti semetic and/or not going with the flow of things and being agaisnt the jews.

ok ok' date=' so if its more then hate. what? if it was more then just hate there would have been efforts to form a palestine before the jews came. Hate is the biggest reason behind all of the problems, and religion. those 2 things are really the only things behind it.[/quote']

 

THATS WHAT i AM TRYING TO FIND OUT!! :rolleyes:

From what I could hear from the tv news and what I understood (keep in mind that my neices were yelling and couldn't listen properly since there was a lot of noise in the room) was that besides from the dislike of each other...Lebanon captured some Israeli people which made the Israeli people upset and then it was called for war.. just when Lebanon was replying back, trying and saying to keep peace the Israelis started bombing Lebanon. Lebanon is now calling help from the United Nations and US but Bush in other words said to let them fight and to keep civilians out of their way as if that's going to happen....

 

Let me know if anything I said was wrong..because I also want to know

 

 

no, you're right... thats what has prempted this 'attack' and 'open war' between the two.. this time. But I'm trying to find out the deep root of their hate... and I am pretty sure it dates back to BC times..

Oh yes and obviously the national airport was Hezbollah'smain base so Israel needed to bomb it... there was a very famous bridge there in Lebanon that took years to construct' date=' like a great achieve for the country. And now is destroyed, I guess is because some terrorist were hidding there...[/quote']

 

first of all, take your emotions off of your sleave regarding the bridge and airport. the runways were bombed to deny hezbollah the ability to rearm through air transport from syria/iran. the bridge was a hezbollah gateway, so yes, it was bombed. do you really think that Israel should worry about the architectural wonder of a bridge that enables hezbollah free movement?

 

Israel is right on. hezbollah is a puppet for Iran and Syria and Israel must be strong against them to ward off future attacks. a strong response is the only response Iran and Syria will respect. Israel should have done this years ago. I hope they do take out Syria and that goofy-looking bastard al-assad.

nice.

The BBC has pulled together an interesting set of quotes from news agencies in the Middle East.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5182796.stm

Royal Navy ships head for Lebanon

 

Defence Secretary Des Browne has given orders for HMS Illustrious and HMS Bulwark to "make ready" for operations off Lebanon.

The pair will depart as soon as necessary, possibly within 24 hours.

 

No order for evacuating UK citizens has yet been given, but ministers and defence staff are considering a plan to evacuate those trapped in Lebanon.

 

It comes as Israel has stepped up its strikes in Lebanon after Hezbollah militants seized two Israeli soldiers.

 

'Contingency planning'

 

HMS Illustrious is currently in Gibraltar and HMS Bulwark is close to Barcelona in Spain.

 

The decision whether to proceed with an evacuation plan has not yet been taken and no orders have been given.

 

The Foreign Office has urged British citizens to keep a low profile and warned against travelling there.

 

"We are also advising British nationals to get ready for departure at short notice if the situation changes including by having travel documents in order," a spokesman said.

 

Meetings on the evacuation plan are taking place at the Ministry of Defence.

 

An MoD spokeswoman said the two ships had been given "no specific tasking", but added: "As you would expect we are monitoring the situation closely and are engaging in prudent contingency planning."

 

"As part of this HMS Illustrious and HMS Bulwark will shortly head towards the region," she said.

 

'Planes and bombs'

 

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said the offensive against Lebanese targets will continue until Hezbollah releases the soldiers and stops firing rockets at Israel.

 

British student Karen Wild from Sheffield, who is in the Lebanese capital, Beirut, told BBC News 24 that she did "not feel safe".

 

She said she had spoken to the British embassy in Beirut who had told her to "stay put, stay inside" for the time being.

 

"It is quite unnerving when you hear the planes and bombs coming," said the student of Arabic.

 

Ms Wild said fellow Canadian, Spanish and Italian students had been evacuated in the past few days.

 

There are several thousand Britons in Beirut. One who has got out of the city is student Angela Quatermaine, from Oxford.

 

She told the BBC: "The Lebanese have been so kind and friendly... they have been wonderful getting us out of Beirut."

 

Referring to the news that the two Royal Navy vessels were on standby, she said: "I don't know how they are going to get here as the port has been bombed... we'll believe it when we see it."

 

Marines aboard

 

BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood has said that 24 hours to get ready for sailing would be considered a "short turnaround" for the two ships.

 

He said that damage to the airport and port in Beirut meant it would be "difficult to get in".

 

"Any evacuation would be carried out in concert with other countries, led by the US," he added.

 

Mr Wood said HMS Bullwark had a contingent of 500 marines, which could be used to make beaches safe in the event of any evacuation.

 

HMS Illustrious has helicopters and fighter bombers on board, which again could be used to aid any evacuation.

 

'I don't know how they(Navy ships) are going to get here as the port has been bombed'

 

Angela Quatermaine, Oxford student

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5184018.stm

someone needs to help israel out for once. israel and europe have the same enemies.

Good. someone needs to help israel out for once. israel and europe have the same enemies.

 

What?

 

Hmmm, it's quite concerning that your comments don't relate to the contents of the article - as this article is about the British Navy aiding British nationals in their attempts to escape the war zone - and it's not about "helping Israel out".

 

Reading Headlines isn't an effective way of gathering the whole story.

amen brutha... amen!!

I know the perfect solution to sort the problem out.... and I post this as I listening to muse 'Assassin' seems to sum up what I want to post....

 

The kids of both isreal and palestine can not help their situation...

I say... set a date of July 1st 2036 and say the the oldies on both sides ... ACCEPTED IT & GET OVER IT... YOU WILL ALL BE ONE COUNTRY....

 

 

Presently and I mean no offence to people on here.... the Goverment of isreal are currerntly treating the people of palestine and the people around them like they was treated in the 2nd world war... not as a extreme as concentraction camps.... but I sure we have all watched the Pianist and Shindliest list.... and I would say they are being treateted the same.... by being hounded it what could be percived as Ghettos.. like they had in Warsaw.. and other Polish cities and wherever ever else the Nazi's invaded...

 

 

Their current actions are setting the world back 20 years... the russian prime minister was so right... in his stament what he made at the g8 and I think for ones... the US and isreali adminstration should listen to both the russians and the chinise for once for their point of view for this situation, the sitution in North Korea... and IRAQ... as so far they have done appaluing job in trying to resolve the problem.

 

 

There is so much I would like to say about this.... so much

Europe would never help israel out, that would go agaisnt everything european, their long tradition of anti-semetism. which basically that what this boils down to in the end.

you had me at 'Shindliest list'....

 

 

 

 

:lol:

Europe would never help israel out' date=' that would go agaisnt everything european, their long tradition of anti-semetism. which basically that what this boils down to in the end.[/quote']

 

What on earth are you on about? That is NOT 'what it boils down to in the end'...

 

 

The inner circle of Europe and more so Britain is what has always been pulling the strings in your country.

 

All the deep rooted royals from the UK to Holland are the big players - from The British monarchy to Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands.......They all are in prime attendance at the Builderberg meatings every year and the U.N is essentially their outlet at present. The elite 'order' control everything.

 

The Order founded the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The Order promoted the Bolshevik Revolution.

The Order has influenced the seminaries.

The Order has control of education.

The Order has links to the Federal Council of Churches.

The Order has as its member - George Bush.

The Order has control of the CIA.

The Order began and controls the in Peace Research Institute.

The Order founded the Institute for Policy Studies

The Order controls both the” conservative” Republican elements and the “liberal” Democratic elements.

The Order has control of Masonry.

The Order finances Communism.

The Order financed Hitler.

The Order with its European counterparts control international banking.

What on earth are you on about? That is NOT 'what it boils down to in the end'...

 

 

The inner circle of Europe and more so Britain is what has always been pulling the strings in your country.

 

All the deep rooted royals from the UK to Holland are the big players - from The British monarchy to Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands.......They all are in prime attendance at the Builderberg meatings every year and the U.N is essentially their outlet at present. The elite 'order' control everything.

 

The Order founded the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The Order promoted the Bolshevik Revolution.

The Order has influenced the seminaries.

The Order has control of education.

The Order has links to the Federal Council of Churches.

The Order has as its member - George Bush.

The Order has control of the CIA.

The Order began and controls the in Peace Research Institute.

The Order founded the Institute for Policy Studies

The Order controls both the” conservative” Republican elements and the “liberal” Democratic elements.

The Order has control of Masonry.

The Order finances Communism.

The Order financed Hitler.

The Order with its European counterparts control international banking.

 

 

oh but it is. anti semetism is been huge in europe for thousands of years, something like that simply does not go away. something that deep within culture does not fade away. the jews have been blame, and hated and killed in europe for thousands of years. just like in modern america there still is dislike and distrust and sometimes hatred to african americans, because something that deep and huge never fades away.

 

this goes to show you REALLY do not know what you're talking about. because no country in europe pulls the strings in america. the simple fact that the elit in europe hate america for its power and rule over them, proves otherwise. Europe's "Elite" are the ones who want to control america but will never. they are jelous of america since ww2, because of the power we have held over europe. and the fact we had a huge war on many years with the soviet empire. but when it comes down to it, america pulls the strings in its own nation, and that REALLY pisses off the leaders of europe.

 

Alot of the troubles between europe and america come from different cultures, but the fact were on top, and have alot of control over europe, not vice versa

Media Helps Spin Every Attack into Anti-Iran Propaganda

Story of "Drone Attack" Plays Out Like a Game of "Telephone" Ending in "Iran Did It"

 

Initially the line was that an Israeli warship had been attacked by Hezbollah using unmanned drone aircraft laden with explosives. Presumably the follow-up would have been expected to be "hey, wait a minute, where did these guerrillas get such high-tech weapons?" which of course would be followed up on FOXNews and other government propaganda outlets with a resounding chorus of, "Iran, of course!"

 

That story never seemed to materialize, try as they might to use the situation to stir up anti-Hezbollah and anti-Iranian sentiment. At one point over the course of the weekend FOXNews did allege that the warship was in fact not a missle-carrying battle ship but a "civilian ship" that had been attacked. Drones being as common as they are these days (what with them flying all over California along the US-Mexico border for our "safety") people bought the drone story without considering any planned Iran subtext.

 

So the US-Israeli spin machine called on the media to step it up a notch, tranforming the drone into a super high-tech radar-guided missile, a C-802, which obviously was not only made in Iran but could only be launched with the careful assistance of an Elite band within the Iranian military.

 

"We can confirm that (the warship) was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," said Israeli Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan.

 

Do you hate Iran yet? Do you believe they are behind this yet? No? Well hold on tight and keep your eyes glued to your TV screens because war-fever has taken hold of the media and Washington and its not going to break until Iran is put in the hotseat.

 

corporate media propaganda

Israel Says Warship Attacked by Drone

Damaged Israeli warship hit by missile made in Iran

Militants' missile hits ship with Iranian troops' help

oh but it is. anti semetism is been huge in europe for thousands of years' date=' something like that simply does not go away. something that deep within culture does not fade away. the jews have been blame, and hated and killed in europe for thousands of years. just like in modern america there still is dislike and distrust and sometimes hatred to african americans, because something that deep and huge never fades away.[/quote']

 

I really think you've got this one wrong.....europe, mostly british controlled, will always essensially be behind Isreal because the people who jointly control America are deep within europe.