July 23, 200620 yr more.................... truly sad, but what about the jews that have been killed? the ones who were attacked first out of pure hatred? its always horrible when an innocent person dies, but israel has no other option but to defend itself.
July 23, 200620 yr You're right, you should start off with someone on your level, like a brick wall or maybe a cat? you can work your way up to intelligent humans later on in life.:o you gotta love the extreme anti-semetism in here, israel is attacked and they defend themselves and they are the ones who are doing the wrong and bad things.....:shocked2: pretty sad. lets not say that israel is the one doing the wrong and bad things .. the palestines are doing wrong things too. I think both sides are almost just as wrong. Perhaps it looks as if Israel is the agressor because they're military stronger but don't say that what the palestines do is totally OK.
July 23, 200620 yr Hello! Well, it's all tragic, if you ask me! Kids learning at an early age the cult of the Martyrs, and Israel's creation as a Jewish state by taking land from Palestinians.. All so sad to create these rifts between we people.. There too, time has passed, and to let bygones be bygones, and truly help one-another! It is typical for those in power anywhere to use more force than is necessary to resolve the matter, which it looks like, and then to the other side, which is waiting for this so they can launch more attacks (indescriminantly), as the extremist leaders label the other as all the same and all as guilty of "crimes against Islam." Yet, Israel (much like the US) is not willing to just solve the matter without escalation of the conflict - maybe to pre-empt what they fear would be an even bigger battle in the future? And, folks on both sides, who would otherwise be nearer to peace are again drawn into a polarizing process...Yet, In the end, we've all got to get along! I can't understand how destroying power plants, water treatment plants, and the like wins anyone over!! This just builds anger and resentment, over a matter that doesn't warrant this level of action. Did we win anyone over by bombing the water, electric, and treatment plants in Iraq either? I think not! One can only succeed against those who are unjust in their actions by being just. Otherwise, the unjust have every excuse in the book to make light of the other's mistakes, and use these mistakes, however lesser by comparison, as a pretext for further attacks, and a battle cry for the next generation. Saddest of all is the harm done to the innocent - by certain Mullahs, by Militants, by the Israeli millitary - what hell it must be to be in those innocent shoes! OUCH! OUCH! What works in the end? How do we get this to cool off and let cooler heads prevail? I'm wondering, should the area just be called the Holy Lands, and leave it up to a system which protects religious liberty, ensuring justice, and allowing any faith to be practiced, so long as it does not trample the rights of others? It's pretty sad to see how we forget how precious life is in these circumstances... If those of Islam's faith hold a brotherhood that feels for one-another , as I understand it does, then it makes sense to help those in the the Islamic world better themselves, so that there is less grinding poverty and sadness that leads to the martyrs' cult being so desireable. It will take generations to undo much of the hatred already built up on both sides of this, but I have hope we shall one day overcome the walls that separate us, and learn to respect one-another's place in the world, and to find the deeper meanings in our religions than to turn to battles and wars. But, it's a big complex situation, so I might not have all the puzzle pieces either. Hope someone does!! Happy Trails, -Chuck
July 23, 200620 yr One good way to prevent a lot of bloodshed is to make ties! One couple I know did just that, and have travelled extensively throughout the Middle East, singing their way along, almost unbelievably, through some pretty war-torn areas! They have a lot to say about how the every-day people of the Middle-East are not nuts or dangerous in the least - in fact, they're very kind and accomodating, on the whole! If anyone's interested, check out Musical Missions of Peace at http://www.musicalmissions.com. Cameron and Kristina will be glad you're interested!! Happy Trails, -Chuck
July 23, 200620 yr An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. :bomb::dead: Defusing tensions is pretty messy stuff, but things have a tendancy to blow up otherwise, and are not easily put back together. Did anyone see the movie Munich recently? I had a chance to see it over a vacation, and it tells an interesting story about this whole mess! -Chuck
July 23, 200620 yr An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. :bomb::dead: Defusing tensions is pretty messy stuff, but things have a tendancy to blow up otherwise, and are not easily put back together. Did anyone see the movie Munich recently? I had a chance to see it over a vacation, and it tells an interesting story about this whole mess! -Chuck yes. and its a movie, so its not true. the best comment on the situation in the middle east is shown in syriana- how the actions of governments affect everyone.
July 23, 200620 yr No its not' date=' anti-Semitism has been huge in europe for thousands of years...the jews have been hated, and killed and blamed for all of europes problems throughout European history. it is NOTHING new.[/quote'] dude i know that. i mean the anti semitism on a world scale. the holocaust showed the world anti-semitism at it most harsh and the jewish people recieved sympathy, but people now compare jewish sympathy resulting as a product anti-semitic acts, which is pathetic. if its not as bad as the holocaust and jewish people claim something is anti-semitic it is ignored. i think unfortunately the holocaust has become a yard stick for sympathy- if its not as bad, none is recieved.
July 23, 200620 yr OK LISTEN PLEASE I am from Israel, and I want you people to read this for a second: We don't want that war, here in Israel we only want to live in peace!! It's not our fault that the Hizballa, a terror organization, started attacking us!! You people of the world, just can't realize that!! Most of you don't know what TERROR is!!! Please just think for a minute: What would your country do if more than a hundred missles were being fired on your cities every day!?!?!? You just don't know it!!! So please stop saying that Israel is only looking for war and to kill civillians!!! Israel is a country that has the right to defend itself!! We don't kill the Lebanese people on purpose, the hizballa is shooting their missles from their cities and Israel has to kill those terrorists, not the civiliians... Take by example the USA that entered Afganistan and Iraq because of the 11 of September.. So please try to understand our side better before you respond. We only want peace!!to live without missles everyday every hour.. you just can't realize that!!!
July 23, 200620 yr Innocent Lebanese shouldnt have to pay, but thats the price of war. israel is a nation that was attacked and provoked to they had to strike back to protect THEIR innocent civilians. israel has a choice, their people or Lebanon's...guess what they are always going to chose their people. anyways israel is showing alot of restraint in this war, they are going after key targets, not just shooting hundreds of rockets at random into lebanon. the real problem here are the terrorist who started this attack. sadly that will get lost in europes anti-Semitism. remember kids, even when attacked first and provoked by terrorist, its always the evil jews fault and they are always to blame......you people act like israel went out looking to kill some innocent people for fun, they were attacked and they did what ANY nation would and SHOULD do, defend themselves. but since they are jewish its not ok for that.:angry: Just so you know, I wasn't being anti-Israel or anti-Semitic in my post. I am fully aware of the unwarranted attacks by Hezbollah as well. It just seems that Israel didn't even try any diplomacy before attacking.
July 23, 200620 yr Just so you know' date=' I wasn't being anti-Israel or anti-Semitic in my post. I am fully aware of the unwarranted attacks by Hezbollah as well. It just seems that Israel didn't even try any diplomacy before attacking.[/quote'] was handing over the Gaza Strip diplomatic enough for you? what thanks did Israel receive? rockets fired from the Strip soon after the handover.
July 23, 200620 yr was handing over the Gaza Strip diplomatic enough for you? what thanks did Israel receive? rockets fired from the Strip soon after the handover. Handing over the Gaza Strip ? I thought they never should've taken the Gaza Strip, they have already taken so much ... why do they want more ? They didn't kill any terorrists by doing that, the only thing they did was making sure that little children will hate Israel and will become terorrists as well. you probably think this post is anti-semitic .. well, its not supposed to be cause i think both sides are just as wrong
July 23, 200620 yr I am from Israel, and I want you people to read this for a second: We don't want that war, here in Israel we only want to live in peace!! It's not our fault that the Hizballa, a terror organization, started attacking us!! You people of the world, just can't realize that!! Most of you don't know what TERROR is!!! Please just think for a minute: What would your country do if more than a hundred missles were being fired on your cities every day!?!?!? You just don't know it!!! So please stop saying that Israel is only looking for war and to kill civillians!!! Israel is a country that has the right to defend itself!! We don't kill the Lebanese people on purpose, the hizballa is shooting their missles from their cities and Israel has to kill those terrorists, not the civiliians... Take by example the USA that entered Afganistan and Iraq because of the 11 of September.. So please try to understand our side better before you respond. We only want peace!!to live without missles everyday every hour.. you just can't realize that!!! PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE...It's important..
July 23, 200620 yr Just so you know' date=' I wasn't being anti-Israel or anti-Semitic in my post. I am fully aware of the unwarranted attacks by Hezbollah as well. It just seems that Israel didn't even try any diplomacy before attacking.[/quote'] WHy the fuck would they? it never works on terrorirst groups in that region. they had one option and that was to fight back
July 23, 200620 yr WHy the fuck would they? it never works on terrorirst groups in that region. they had one option and that was to fight back I am so glad you see our point of view... I hope other people around the world would understand that we can't talk with them. They're terrorists!!
July 23, 200620 yr And that's the problem facing our world. Lack of communication, understanding and dialogue are permitting hatred and racism to spread like this. That, is indisputable.
July 23, 200620 yr PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE...It's important.. i read it and i see your point but still i think both sides in this conflict are both just as wrong
July 23, 200620 yr i read it and i see your point but still i think both sides in this conflict are both just as wrong I know.. I just want to say that if we could stop that war with a gurantee that it won't continue whenever the Hizballa wants, we would gladly accept it and stop it!! Israel doesn't want wars!! We want to live in peace..
July 23, 200620 yr i know ... but i think the arabic people don't see it that way. I think they want peace too but they still see you as invaders .. i don't think they'll ever want peace with Israeli living there. I don't think they're right but i think that that is what they think and i think that that is their reason to keep attacking you.
July 23, 200620 yr Gaza is like an big prison, sort of like a wildlife park. They aren't allowed to do anything until Israel agrees to, all the ports are cut off by Israeli ships, so they can't get anything in or out of the "country".
July 23, 200620 yr Gaza is like an big prison' date=' sort of like a wildlife park. They aren't allowed to do anything until Israel agrees to, all the ports are cut off by Israeli ships, so they can't get anything in or out of the "country".[/quote'] Maybe that's because when they get anything in, sometimes it's the "kassam" missles or any other weapons... Ok you people, most of you I guess, just doesn't know what it means to live where the is a war going on. We only want to protect ourselves!! They only want to kill us..what can we do?
July 23, 200620 yr Author US Rushing More Bombs To Israel Nick Miles / BBC | July 23 2006 Reports from the US suggest Washington has been asked to speed up a shipment of precision bombs sold as part of a deal with Israel last year. According to a report in the New York Times, Israel made the request after it began its air assault on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon 12 days ago. The weapons, including five-tonne laser-guided bombs, are part of a sale signed last year. Unnamed US officials say the request to speed up delivery is unusual. The disclosure is likely to anger Arab governments because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding Israel at such a sensitive time. Precision-guided missiles are playing a key part in Israel's military strategy, which has included attempts to destroy bunkers it says are used by Hezbollah. Israel is one of the largest customers for US armaments. It also receives several billion dollars a year in direct and indirect aid from Washington.
July 23, 200620 yr Maybe that's because when they get anything in, sometimes it's the "kassam" missles or any other weapons... Ok you people, most of you I guess, just doesn't know what it means to live where the is a war going on. We only want to protect ourselves!! They only want to kill us..what can we do? Are you 100% sure they want to kill you or is that just what everyone tells you?
July 23, 200620 yr one option lol WHy the fuck would they? it never works on terrorirst groups in that region. they had one option and that was to fight back note : plz be behave and dont use words like f**k coz this site or specially frum for good discussion not for bad words israel have one option : you make laugh :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D (that enough) and this option made israel like bloodshed and masssacres like massacre of Sabra and Shatila ,are you know it or if you dont know last days in labanon i thought this is enough to be convince israel fighting coz its want fight and if isreal want to make a peace she do it like campdevid between egypt and israel. that all
July 23, 200620 yr Are you 100% sure they want to kill you or is that just what everyone tells you? Yes I am sure.. you forgot the fact that the palestinian terrorists commited suicide in a bus full of kids!! and I know what you will respond, that we kill their children too. but the difference is that we are doing it because the terrorists are hiding inside the civillians' house, if we kill a family it's by mistake. They enter our cities and kill on purpose a lot of kids and women and men.. So for your answer, yes, most of the palestinians and the Hizballa want to kill us!!
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