I had an amazing time, EASILY the best day of my life! And I was suprised to see how much air-time they gave me, let alone all of the coldplayingers around :D

 

Not sure if I said before, but during 42 they actually zoomed out from my face and you can see Eric to my right.

 

THAT BLONDE and the rest of the super-VIPs were a pain cause we went from 2nd row to 4th -_-

 

AND we had (and watch the footage again, it's hilarious) two of the most emotionless viewers in front of us. Both big enough to ruin views and not excited to be there. One was bald and the other wore a black hat. There's a shot where it zooms out from a smirking bald guy to reveal a girl having a wonderful time behind him (CCSG). Those dude weren't worthy but wouldn't budge.

 

Coldplay Karma hit them HARD when the two extra rows came in and his little kids couldn't see SHIT.

 

MUGHAHAHAHAHSHAHSHAHA

 

Yesterday was the shit.

 

Masterkraig, did you have the homemade tye-dye shirt by any chance? If so, right next to you--thought you said you were from Coldplaying. I had a blue Viva La Vida shirt on from MSG. We made it like all over TV.

 

Oh, and musicman, I think they played VLV before Lost! on the show. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you have that setlist perfect.

Thanks so much for the wonderful stories, pics. Did anyone taped the show? Can you upload an .avi file? Thanks. :)

Christopher, don't you be hitting Jonny! :veryangry2: Unless you're "hittin' Jonny .....if you don't hit it I know I would. :sneaky:

 

 

 

I saw this, but if it is the same as what I saw, Chris was NOT hitting Jonny. Not by a long shot. I saw Chris very lightly caress the left side of Jonny's face with his right hand (it would be to our right side of Jonny's face to us looking at him). It was a loving touch, that I am sure of. If you saw Chris slap him, then that was something I must have missed.

 

 

 

 

 

And here is another video I made, of mostly Jonny during part of Clocks. You have to click on the picture. Watch for Jonny's little foot kick to get the cable out of the way right before the end.

 

 

 

 

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Great video Lori!!!

 

Have you seen Angie's vids?? AWESOME!;)

I see i wasn't the only one who had a bitch nearby them. I mean I was one of the people who got pushed into the pen, some blond was standing beside me she was just gossiping about work the whole time, and starting bitching about me accidentally touching her. I mean it wasn't my fault there were over 100 people in that pen moving all around. She said mean things the whole time but I didnt let it get to me; chris and his shirt had my attention the whole time.

Here's a video of the Clocks soundcheck (first of four actual Clocks performances!) that I FINALLY got uploaded for you fine people after Youtube refused to cooperate last night:

 

Here's a video of the Clocks soundcheck (first of four actual Clocks performances!) that I FINALLY got uploaded for you fine people after Youtube refused to cooperate last night:

 

 

thanks :D

Great video Lori!!!

 

Have you seen Angie's vids?? AWESOME!;)

 

 

Oh, I just saw them. They are too good. On the second In My Place, did you see Jonny after Chris ran to the back of the audience behind us? Guy was playing with Jonny and couldn't care less about watching Chris, but Jonny must have looked back at Chris about 5 or 6 times! He couldn't keep his eyes away! Ah, the love was strong yesterday.:kiss:

 

 

 

 

 

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Here's a video of the Clocks soundcheck (first of four actual Clocks performances!) that I FINALLY got uploaded for you fine people after Youtube refused to cooperate last night:

 

 

Thanks for that. I love the part at around 2:15. Even Guy was laughing at that.

Sorry it's taken so long to get the videos of the soundcheck posted. I have about 50 minutes of video all together with most of it being from the soundcheck. I tried very hard not to tape during the actual show performance because I knew I was recording the show at home and I really wanted to just experience the moment.

 

I like others feel so lucky to have been so close to the band. It's not often that a group of diehard fans gets the opportunity to listen and watch a 45 minute soundcheck up close and be allowed to record the event on video. I know others have given excellent minute by minute accounts of the morning but I just want to mention a couple of personal highlights.

- Chris telling the paps that he realizes that they don't have the best relationship but that he was glad they were there (paraphrasing)

- The ability to see them close enough to see their facial expressions

- Chris looked so young clean shaven

- Getting to see Phil the 5th member

- Enjoying watching all of the coldplaying.com members having the time of their lives

Thanks again Ian... your gift meant the world!!!

 

VIDEOS

http://www.zaniac.net/Coldplay_TodayShow_Home.htm

nice videos haha i loved that performance, chris looked like he was having a blast!

Okay guys...... my day is finally over and yes I am finally home. Thank God!:rolleyes: My experience was a little crazy. I woke up early morning on Thursday and had to go to work. I left on Thursday night which btw my flight was delayed and ended up getting to NYC early morning of Friday instead. First of all, I had never been to NYC in my whole entire life.. and let me tell you, New York is......... very New York. First thing I saw was cracking me up hysterically that I wanted to take a picture but it was too close that I thought that I might get in trouble. There was this guy like bending down and pulling something from the floor (It just looked really funny) he was taking and struggling taking out the trash. Anyway, I wanted to get an idea and locate myself on to where I was. I ended up in Times Square before I realized that I was being followed by some creepy guys. There were people around but not that many and most of the places were already close. I got scared.. I was like "I am gonna get raped and mugged here and I'm not even gonna get to see Coldplay...this can't be happening. I gotta find a friendly place". The only place open at Times Square was some pizza place..there were people there so I went in there right away and had some slices of pizza (which is where I typed my message from). Rockefeller wasn't that far from Times Square so I ended up getting there around 3 something am. There was already a long line there. The guys in front of me also had their luggage with them (they had big & heavy luggage). They were really excited to be there as I was.. so I couldn't really sleep plus people kept on honking on purpose and everything. There was a girl making a huge poster. Her poster was so pretty btw. I didn't really had anything but a red marker which I was going to use for Coldplay to sign my album cover:rolleyes: (I lost the marker at the Apple store hours later) and napkins... from the airplane. I was going to make my sign on a napkin (how ghetto) :lol: but I ended up using one of the emails prints. My sign read "I :heart: JB + Coldplaying" I don't know if anyone got to see it and on top of another poster that said "Viva La Coldplay" from Sirus radio.. The line started moving by 5am or so. I was so tired by then..when I was waiting in line I was feeling so weak & sleepy that I couldn't really stand at all plus I needed to go to the restroom really bad. I was almost wetting myself there waiting. I got messed up with the general section. The guy there was like "Yeah, just go in there. It's fine" but it wasn't the VIP section so I asked around and was going crazy because I knew I wasn't on the right spot. I wanted to be with the rest of the Coldplaying members and wanted to be in the VIP section & be up close to Coldplay!! Some guy told me to go to the other side and ask there...then I saw a guy with a white shirt and we were in the right spot but I don't know. I wasn't even paying attention to him as I was already freaking out about not being in the right place at all & time was passing by. This is what he did, he scratched us off the list then he gave us the VIP passes then he took the VIP passes from us. He asked us if we needed to go to the restroom (I thought he was going to tell me where the restrooms were INSIDE the NBC Studios). He then says "Okay, you need to go to the restroom because once you are in you can't get out. Deli is probably your best bet." Okay, by that time... I needed to go the restroom REALLY BAD. I was hungry again and I was sweating like a pig and all stinky as I still hadn't gone to the hotel 'cause there was no time. I was freaking out because he scratched us off from the list and took the vip passes. I went to the Deli & the damn guy there tells me "We don't have restrooms here" I wasn't going to argue with people there.. so I'm running around like a mad woman trying to find a restroom. A lot of the places near there were still close.. so I took a left and saw a Mcdonalds! There was ONE RESTROOM THERE and guess what? It was BLOODY OCCUPIED!!! I was pounding at the door and yelling "I need to use the restroom, please!" when inside my mind I was really saying "B***! Get out already! I *** need to pee!" I then realized that I probably shouldn't have been pounding at the door as to whoever was inside were only taking slightly just slightly longer then expected. Then a little boy lets me know that there was also restrooms upstairs.. so I rushed upstairs.. the toilet was disgusting (someone had left a uhhh view let's say) but hey.. I had to use it so I flushed it and used it.. washed my hands. I almost killed myself from running down the stairs. I was about maybe half of block from the NBC studios. I was like " I DON'T CARE IF IT'S GREEN, PEDESTRIANS FIRST, B****!!!!! WAIT YOUR F*** TURN":angry: By this time, when I was running back to the nbc studios an amount of time had already passed and I was freaking out because not only did I take long, the guy had scratched us off the list.. I didn't know if he was still going to be outside waiting for me you know? Did I mention that I was sweaty and smelly and just looked horrible in general? So I'm trying to find the guy outside the nbc studio and there were a bunch of people outside. I didn't even hear what they were saying 'cause I'm trying to find the guy right. He comes out from the nbc entrance and sees me (ours eyes just meet. I thought he had already forgotten me 'cause a lot of time had passed by and there were just so many people to just remember one person you know) and says "Oh! Hey!" and was really looking at me. He was REALLY LOOKING AT ME. He then says "You just missed them" I don't know but at the time, it just didn't registered through my mind. I should have ran into the doors and catch them you know but I don't know what happened. I got lost in his eyes.. that guy WAS SOOOOOOO HOT! MAN! HE WAS HANDSOME! :wideeyed: So cute! Anyway, he calls another girl and asks her to escort me and she's like "Sure, right this way balblabla" He gave me my VIP pass. I don't think I even said Thank You. She was asking me if I had seen the band and also said that they had just walked in a couple of seconds ago. I did not know what way they went. This is getting long next part coming up.

posted this in the other thread, but in case some people arent reading the both ill just add it here.

 

Finally had a chance to upload my videos. Can be seen here

http://www.myspace.com/xneverwherex

or here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91096464440123

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...35104638143450

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...14511546482230

 

pics will be uploaded later when its not so late.

 

and btw - sucks about just missing coldplay. what an experience of NYC for your first time :) I cursed out the cross-town bus driver at 5AM so thats not so bad. Wasnt his fault another bus broke down and I was racing down 50th trying not to crash into people. oh how i love new york!

So she took me outside and escorted me to the 'VIP Section' It was already full!!! I could barely see the stage as I am short as hell! :rolleyes: Will came out first, then Jonny :D :D :D and then Guy and to those who want to know. Yes, Guy is really really handsome up close. Did you see him smile? Wow it's all I gotta say. He was to the right though so I couldn't really see him throughout the show. I could barely see Will and Jonny. The people behind me were bitching too. They were like "We can't see because of your poster and blabalbla" I felt bad at first but I couldn't see either. I was like "Well you know what? Too bad, 'cause I can't see either and if I can't see them then I am at least going to enjoy the music and raise that poster up" I took the big poster down and just kept the sheet I had made at 3 something am and hope he sees it. I don't know if he ever saw it though:rolleyes: I took a lot of pictures and was watching the show through my camera's lenses as I could raise it and see through it. I figured I couldn't see 'cause I was just wayyy wayy in the back and that the people behind me couldn't see 'cause we were just too far in the back. It wasn't until Chris came out and went to the front of the stage that I realized. Wait.. he's kinda close:thinking::o and got all excited about it. The show was confusing at times 'cause we couldn't hear anything and they wouldn't tell us whenever it was live. Chris only told us it was live one time. They rehearsed Clocks like 4 times. There was a girl in front of me to the left. She collapsed! The guy she was with walked her out and she fainted. The people there took her inside the nbc studios and she came out in a bed where the ambulance took her. I felt bad for her (the band came out right after they had taken her) but I started worrying about myself as well 'cause I was feeling dizzy too and weak. I hadn't had any sleep for such long period of time. I've been sick with a throat infection so that wasn't helping at all and I couldn't scream too much 'cause my throat was just hurting really bad. I drank a bottle of water and a bar of chocolate so that helped a lot. I was like "I did not come here to faint in the middle of the show!!!:angry: No, No, No, No!" The crowd was singing along to In My Place, Viva La Vida, Lost! was amazing! 42? OH MY GOD! I'm still pumped up about it. This was my second time seeing Coldplay Live and this was the closest I had ever been. I can't wait to see them live again. There were two teenage girls. They were the ones that threw the bra and panties. I saw something fly across and Chris catching it and then dropping it instantly with such disgust. It was hilarious! Chris reaction was priceless!:lol: I couldn't stop laughing. After the show was over.. we were quickly rushed to get out. I waited outside the nbc studio to wait for the band. One of the TMZ guys was there with a camera. I was like "Oh hell no, he's going to ruin my autograph experience" so I chi-chatted with him and we talk about how it was wrong of his friend to provoke Chris and how Chris was wrong to push his friend to on-coming traffic. Remember that clip where Chris takes the camera from a guy when Gwyn and him were coming out from the hospital earlier this year? His friend got 35G from that incident... that's a lot of money. He was surprisingly very nice and we spent a few hours on a Coldplay hunt. What? :shifty: You can't judge.. I was trying to meet Jonny!:embarassed: You would have done the same thing!:P I got all excited 'cause their vehicle showed up and the police stopped traffic but there were just too many people outside waiting and not enough security. So the vehicle ended up leaving and they left underground. :rolleyes: :dozey: There was another lady there that just really made my day. She said "This is really your first time to New York? and you just came for Coldplay? You are a real fan. I hope you get an autograph." She joined us on the Coldplay hunt. It was fun but we never found them. We were walking by foot. You guys want the 3rd part?:lol::P I should get some rest now. I'll upload my pictures and vids tomorrow. :D Thanks again, Ian! :nice:

Jo your story is awesome, but I was really scared for you reading the first part, luckily everything worked out right :nice:

you all sound like you had great views and an even better time! :D

you all sound like you had great views and an even better time! :D

 

All thanks to you, Ian! :thumbsup:

doesn't know 500 words!! :rolleyes: and this is just the lead-up, no actual today show lol :P :kiss:

 

OK I'll start at the beginning.

I was at work Thursday night and was reading through this thread looking for someone that wanted to go but didn't win. I had asked Mary, but she could go, so I wanted to make sure the pass got used. Lori (KissesBirds) had posted she wanted to go, so I sent her a PM and told her to call me if she still wanted to go. She called me just as I was leaving work for the airport and said hells yes! and she would sort out a flight and get back to me. I got to NYC around 3:30 and during my cab ride into town, I get a text saying she will be there that night and that Mel is also coming. :stunned: By the time I got to the hotel, I had been awake for around 37 hours, but had to go check out the area before I could even think about sleeping. My hotel is a block from the Plaza, so I walk over and right in front of the GE building they are building the huge wooden thing that is like 20 feet tall. I start to panic thinking this is the stage, but that god it's not. I start asking around about where we have to sign in and how early can we do that, but no one there can answer shit. :dozey: I walk around until I find the address listed on the email so I know exactly where we need to be in the morning and then go back to my hotel to get some rest because I'm about to fall over. Mel calls me and says she managed to find a way to go and after giving away her winning passes (LIKE A DUMB ASS!) has begged and pleaded all day and some nice person has taken sympathy upon her and she will be their +1. Her flight gets in around 11:30 and she'll call me when she gets into town. I try and sleep, then the rerun of the Daily Show comes on and I'm too excited. Finally get some sleep.

 

Mel calls me and says they are both down at 30 Rock and I go down there to meet them. Coldplay's truck with all their equipment had just pulled up. There are already people in the general admission line and we walk around. Mel had been grilling security peeps to get info about the VIP area, number of people it held, etc. Some security guy tells her that the VIP area will hold around 400 people and that they will put all the pass holders in first, then any GA people it takes to fill it. 400! :freak: must be down there early!. We go chill at my room for a while, then Mel starts getting twitchie so we head back.

 

We see a few other people hanging around by where we have to line up and so we join them. It was jbarry5503 and her guest. That was around 3:30am. The security guy comes out and tells us we are there WAY too early and that we should find some food and a bathroom because once you are in the pit, if you leave you can't go back. There is a 24 hour Deli across the street, so food is there, but Micky D's a block away is the closest toilet. People start to trickle in. Mel is a nervous wreck. :laugh3: Someone strums a guitar cord, she runs down to the corner where the stage is being set up to see what's happening. 5 minutes later, a drum beat....there goes Mel. :P It's 4 am Mel...Will is not down there setting up his own drums! :lol: Security man comes back out and gives us the whole make sure you go potty before we go in speech again :dozey: and then tell us important info. This is the door where guests and TV people enter! He asks us to please stay back and don't rush at anyone and if they come over to see us, then that's OK. OMG! The band will be going in right there! Now we all excited and we get shit out to get stuff signed. Mel and Lori practice their "thrust CD cover at band with one hand, while taking picture with other hand' moves. :lol:

Where we line up is an entry way about 15 feet wide. We are on one side and I notice on the other side is a "couple" consisting of a man and a tranny. The tranny is talking about how it wants to meet the band. I think about Chris getting flashed by the trannies while making Fix You and we all laugh about Chris being a tranny magnet. Then some paps show up. :dozey: Great, Chris will shoot right past us to get away from these jerks. :cry: Everyone tries to think of something semi intelligent to say in case they do show up but Lori decides she will just scream. NO Jonny is afraid of screaming...Jonny no like screamie! :angry: :P Security man comes back and puts a barricade up to keep tranny and paps back but we are not blocked. :D Every car that arrives, we all jump up. Mel is freaking because too many people have "fluffy hair" thru the tinting windows and she thinks it Chris every time. :lol:

 

Matt, Jonny's guitar tech, walks past us to go over to the deli. When he comes out I go and ask him if the band will have a sound check. He says yes around 6:30 and we will be able to hear it from where we are. :D But at 6, the NBC people come out and start taking people into the VIP area, so we miss any arrivals, but we will get to see the sound check and not just hear. :dance:

 

Although we were first in line, there are people in the pit when we get there. We are basically on the second row, but in front of me are 3 little girls aged 6, 8 and 12. Yah people that I can see over. Will is first to get there. Then Jonny and Guy come out together. Chris is last. There is lots of technical discussion, instrument placement upon the stage discussions and what not. Chris is very funny and loose. Jonny doesn't look so happy to be up at this hour of the day. :P Guy is taking pictures of us, taking pictures of him. :wink3: Then Mel spots him first. PHIL! OMG he is hot! :stunned: They run thur songs, then discuss stuff, then move stuff around....but it's the best part of the whole day. I don't know about any one else, but the sound check was wayyyyyyyy better than the real show.

 

Just before the real show starts, security peeps come out and start talking about moving the barricades. We aren't sure if they are moving us back :angry:, or closer :D? This is not done but the reason why is because they bring in a whole group of people to stand in front of the VIP area inside where the stage is. IN FRONT OF US! :veryangry: They are "family" of the producers. They have several kids, including the one that Chris brings up on stage) and adults. The adults come stage at the center, blocking the 3 little girls in front of me and the kids are next to them on each side. Some lady asks the women if they will move and allow the kids to stand in the center so the little girls can see and the bitch tells her NO!. What a cunt. The little girls are crying because now they can't see. Rich douche bags suck!

 

When you are there you can't hear what is going on in the broadcast. When they came on stage to interview the band they placed a monitor near us so I could see to move my sign to make sure it got seen. :D After the show, Chelsea come over and met us and we were going to take a group pic, but the NBC dude ran us off. :angry:

 

Here is the link to my pics and my partial video of Lost. I still have to up load my longer videos because they are over 100MB and won't fit on that site.

 

http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w171/angie7581/Coldplay%20Today%20Show/

In My Place semi sound check version

In My Place show version

Here's a video of the Clocks soundcheck (first of four actual Clocks performances!) that I FINALLY got uploaded for you fine people after Youtube refused to cooperate last night:

 

 

I love that even with chris messing around, Will knew the exact moment to kick the drums back in

I had an amazing time, EASILY the best day of my life! And I was suprised to see how much air-time they gave me, let alone all of the coldplayingers around :D

 

Not sure if I said before, but during 42 they actually zoomed out from my face and you can see Eric to my right.

 

THAT BLONDE and the rest of the super-VIPs were a pain cause we went from 2nd row to 4th -_-

 

AND we had (and watch the footage again, it's hilarious) two of the most emotionless viewers in front of us. Both big enough to ruin views and not excited to be there. One was bald and the other wore a black hat. There's a shot where it zooms out from a smirking bald guy to reveal a girl having a wonderful time behind him (CCSG). Those dude weren't worthy but wouldn't

budge.

 

Coldplay Karma hit them HARD when the two extra rows came in and his little kids couldn't see SHIT.

 

MUGHAHAHAHAHSHAHSHAHA

 

Yesterday was the shit.

 

See my previous post where i bitch and rant about the humungous giant zombie non fans who did not move and ruined the view for the short coldplayers. it made me furious

I went to work last night and everyone asked me "Who's Ian?".... they all saw my sign. :P

who is he? :thinking:

OK I'll start at the beginning.

We are on one side and I notice on the other side is a "couple" consisting of a man and a tranny. The tranny is talking about how it wants to meet the band. I think about Chris getting flashed by the trannies while making Fix You and we all laugh about Chris being a tranny magnet.

 

Is this Chris to the trannies?

Me and my friend got there shorty before 6, and landed spots about 6-7 "rows" back. AWESOME seats to say the VERY least. The atmosphere was so exciting. I met a few of you on here before the show...all extrememly nice!

 

It was so exciting when Will got up on the stage. A few people took notice and went nuts; he certainly did not make a grand entrance. But as it caught on that Will (or to some not-so-intense fans "the drummer") was on stage, the noise started to elevate. I was going nuts. After a short while Johnny and Guy came on and I was in a massive state of excitement that I can't even begin to explain. So I won't. They were RIGHT there. Probably 20 feet from me. They all seemed to be in a daze, but it was more of an overwhelming state of disbelief. Thousands of fans showed up virtually at dawn (or before) to see them. Guy got out his camera and started snapping shots of the crowd (and of course I tried to get into every picture). Then it came...Chris walked out. The audience went NUTS. He seemed to not believe the size of the crowd. He took care of his official business (talking to his bandmates and other guys with headsets) and then picked up the mic. He just kind of announced that they were gonna do a soundcheck and that they'd probably sound like "shit." He had everyone laughing and having a good time before they even played one note. So they were all kind of standing around waiting to go, and they were UNBELIEVABLY close to me. It was surreal. I remember Chris was just standing there waiting to go and was kinda looking in my direction, so I started to wave. And...Oh my sweet Jesus, Chris looked directly at me, make eye contact and tipped his hat AT ME. I FREAKED OUT. Best moment of my life.

 

Now, I had predicted to my friend that they'd play 3 songs (Viva La Vida, Violet Hill, and Lovers In Japan...with Lost! as a 4th). He sat down at the piano and immediately I was like "shit...I guess I was wrong!" He started Clocks, much to everyone's approval. Yeah the song's 7 years old now, but it's a classic and a KILLER live track. Chris of course changed up his lyrics to describe the early morning and everyone loved it. I remember at some point Chris yelled "Johnny, look" and pointed all the way to the back where there were some people standing on top of a building watching them. They ran through that twice, because it seemed they were trying to get the length right. Each time they did it was different, cutting this part or adding that part back in.

 

Then they took a little while to reset the stage, obviously for Viva. I was SO excited to finally hear a new song live in person. And something about the anticipation of an audience's reaction to a song when it first starts always gets me going. They did the song and it was great. As usual. Chris made us sing the "Woah-oh-oh" part! They pretty much went right into Lost! and did that twice. First time he ended with a bit of "Low" (by Flo Rida), and the second he ended with a bit of "4 Minutes" (by Madonna and JT). I pretty much thought they'd be done by now (I was still pulling for Violet Hill, though!), and they started re-setting up. They all grabbed completely different instruments. Johnny had some maracas, and Guy and Will both had guitars. So I figured it'd be Yellow. I was right. Chris seemed to have some trouble getting through it, although the audience seemed to like. Chris announced that it was "shit" and I figured that they'd cut it.

 

So they left the stage, much to everyone's dissapointment. There was a long lull in there. However, the anchors (Al, Meredeth, and Ann) came out and they were unbelievably nice. I even got a picture with Meredeth. But I was getting a bit antsy. But they finally came back out.

 

They took the stage in their revolutionary outfits and immediately went into In My Place. I thought it was just an added performance for us at the time. It was so exciting. Then they did Clocks again, and I thought it was the actual show. Chris kept messing up and talking to the guys working on the show etc, so I kinda hoped that it wasn't being taped. Haha.

 

Then, basically, they did the show. Chris ran right passed me during In My Place (again...he always does that, it seems!). And after they were done, I was SO excited that they did 42 as an "added performace." It was UNBELIEVABLE. Best live song of the whole set.

 

 

Overall, best day of my life. And looking back on my DVR...i was all over TV! They did a close up of me at the end of Viva, too!

 

 

Thanks so much for the opportunity!

 

 

 

 

 

Dave

who is he? :thinking:

 

He's the super secret sixth member of the band. Not so much of a secret anymore.