Should Turkey be let into the EU?

[noonsun]

Just wondering what the opinions here are. Personally, I think they shoud; Turkey is one of the only (semi) Middle-Eastern countries that is showing a genuine interest in becoming a part of modern Western/European culture... and they are technically in Europe, so no issues there...

[Saffire]

Of course. I don't know why they would WANT to be in the EU, though, lol. You give up a lot of your sovereignty when you join.

[Tonsu]

Women's rights? Human rights? Don't matter?

 

Then let them in I say.

 

(At least then they could join fellow torturing countries like Britain).

[noonsun]

@ Saffire ...however you have enormously increaded trade, economic, and political power in Europe. Helpful if you happen to be there.

 

@ Peter: actually Turkey is getting better at the whole human-rights thing :P

and how does Britain torture people? :thinking:

[Saffire]

Europe's economy sucks. Turkey should enjoy its independence, nothing good comes from joining the EU. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[Tonsu]

@ Peter: actually Turkey is getting better at the whole human-rights thing :P

and how does Britain torture people? :thinking:

 

Britain doesn't generally torture people within its own borders, no (well not in any systematic way).

 

But we have, astonishingly shamefully, assisted the US-sponsored torture of suspected terrorists in third-party countries. Just google 'extraordinary rendition'.

 

I'm ashamed of my country for this, and of the whole West for being party to it :embarassed:

[Saffire]

Well that's foreign policy stuff, and the EU is primarily about domestic policy (except when it comes to trade and stuff). But yeah, Turkey helped out the US and Britain during our invasion of Iraq by acting as a base and offering their airspace for flyover.

 

Turkey shouldn't have done this. Turkey should be like Switzerland. In fact, all countries should be like Switzerland and just mind their own damn business (assuming we need silly things like imaginary lines called "borders"... it's so childish).

[chuck kottke]

Turkey and Swiss on Rye. they go together.:P (sorry - I couldn't help it!)

 

Torture - well, yes, the whole thing stinks - we've used places in Egypt for some of the torturing as well, and I'm not surprised the United Kingdom offered "assistance" in the whole process, but what a sad chapter, nay a disgraceful chapter in the world's history..

Turkey should do what Turkey wants. Going it alone isn't always the wisest thing however; better perhaps to make the EU the best it can be, while maintaining the integrity of individual member states. As a counter force in the world for American aggression it seems wise, as well as an easier way to facilitate trade and commerce, provided some protections remain to safeguard national treasures, like Parmesan from Parma, & Champagne from France, and Fish and Chips from England.;)

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Their talking of the collapse of the EU and the Euro....

 

Weaker EU states and other Eastern European states may take down or come close to taking down West Europe with their debt and troubled economies...it'll be interesting to see what happens. Will the EU survive the global economic crisis?

[Black Rose]

I will make a deal, Turkey can take the UK's place in the EU.

[Darlene_Ihnfsa]

technically only the 5% of Turkey is in European region, all the 95% is not... so. (talking about geography).

 

i think they are good as they are already, they get help from Europe, for instance they aren't members yet but they take part on Erasmus students exchange.

 

and about rights and all that, well technically all european countries allow their citizen basic rights, at least that's a thing to get to join the union, but i wonder why there's not a way to control in case an european turns to a not that democratic country . :thinking: (i'm talking in general here).

[Black Rose]

I can see in 20/30 years time, the EU turning into a united states of Europe, similar to the formation of the united states of America.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I can see in 20/30 years time, the EU turning into a united states of Europe, similar to the formation of the united states of America.

 

I concur and America in 30-40 years could become the NAU(North American Union)

 

In 100 years if we haven't blow up the world, we could see 4 states, U.S of Africa, Europe, America and Asia.

[Black Rose]

I see 3 states in the future, Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia.

 

People are using 1984 as a reference book on how to ruin the world

[Darlene_Ihnfsa]

don't eurasia was an old geology region? :thinking: we are going back to origin. :uhoh:

 

my dad saw a theory on the net saying something similar about USA getting divided on another 5 unions each one influenced by other big geographical regions (asia, africa, europe, south america) ...

 

but don't we are going off-topic? :inquisitive:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

don't eurasia was an old geology region? :thinking: we are going back to origin. :uhoh:

 

my dad saw a theory on the net saying something similar about USA getting divided on another 5 unions each one influenced by other big geographical regions (asia, africa, europe, south america) ...

 

but don't we are going off-topic? :inquisitive:

 

Some Russian professor divided America up after the coming collapse. It was something like the east going to Europe, the South West including Texas back to Mexico(guess he didn't know Mexico is about to collapse and go into civil war) the west to Asia and Alaska to Russia. Oh and some part of the north going to Canada but I forgot what part.

[Tonsu]

In 100 years if we haven't blow up the world, we could see 4 states, U.S of Africa, Europe, America and Asia.

 

You obviously know nothing about pan-Asian politics to say such a thing. You could try for a millennia and there would still be no way of getting the Koreans, Chinese and Japanese together. It will never happen.

 

I see 3 states in the future, Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia.

 

People are using 1984 as a reference book on how to ruin the world

 

Another one who clearly doesn't understand.

[HorrificAttack]

Completely agree with Tonsu, don't be morons.

[noonsun]

^^Agreed with both. In fact, if you've been, I don't know, paying attention the past thirty years, (:P) the trend is toward more fragmented states... see Yugoslavia, Africa, etc. Actually part of Canada (Quebecois, I believe) is trying to break away as well... all the remaining large countries (with the exception perhaps of the U.S.) are really starting to break apart. To say that they'll just start reuniting is kind of silly. It doesn't have to happen like it did in 1984...

[Darlene_Ihnfsa]

i don't agree much with that noonsun.... in europe there's a joining movement since the Union was formed.... (more than 30 years ago) Yugoslavia is not a comparable case with other countries.

 

those independence movements are recent ones and most them are promoted for some politicians for their own benefit, that's my opinion judging the cases i know that happen already in Europe.

 

i think each continent has their own movements and politics about those things. i mean as an european i can't judge well about what happen in Asia or Africa mostly because -i don't know who is to blame here- we get few information about what happen in those other continents. So i think we judge each other just for the topics we know about each other. :\

[noonsun]

Yeah, they may be unified in their economic trade and millitary support and so on, but if you really think France and Spain (or anybody and anybody, especially in Europe; it doesn't have to be those two) are going to join together in one fell swoop... well, it's just a silly thought, imo.

 

Yeah, the independence movements are caused by politicians. Who do you think runs the world? That's right, it's politicians. And most politicians aren't going to decide to join up with a buddy country (without fighting it); if some politician IS thinking that, they aren't going to be reelected.

 

There aren't any countries in Europe that are going to give up their individual sovereignty to become part of a U.S. of Europe. They can be nice to each other, sure, but they've had their cultural, language, religion/whatever differences for hundreds of years. They aren't going to just throw those away and decide to join hands and make Franco-Spain (or whatever two countries you're thinking of.) The only countries in Europe I can think of ever getting back together MAY be some of the Yugoslavic one, at that may or may not be for peaceful reasons.

 

And I'm sorry if I'm judging your continent. It's just the way it seems to be to me.