christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 he has admitted to breaking human rights himself in trying to achieve these human rights I dont think there is anything wrong or immoral with that if an entire people are being oppressed and racially abused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 Ok firstly you cannot compare the muslim agenda with mandela's, One is based on a book, the other on the struggle for Human rights and freedom. America and the old SA government are not in the same category. my point is on when terrorism becomes acceptable and then how far a person can be respected for those actions. just because a person believes something is right doesn't mean it is right, as is shown by muslim extremists. plotting to kill government officials would have worked for mandela and that became his aim. i think he should be free, since he served too much time in jail for a man who clearly is not a threat to society, but why i find it a confusing precedent to set to have him as pretty much the most respected human alive. i think he should be known, i just find the whole thing that surrounds him as massively overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 he has admitted to breaking human rights himself in trying to achieve these human rights Also just to change the subject slightly, how comes you are still awake if you are from the UK? I thought i was the only one lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 I dont think there is anything wrong or immoral with that if an entire people are being oppressed and racially abused? two wrongs make a right then? i'm not saying they don't, just wondering what your opinion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 Also just to change the subject slightly, how comes you are still awake if you are from the UK? I thought i was the only one lol! i am actually heading to sleep right now since i'm leaving i don't want my words twisted too much whilst i'm asleep. 1. i agree with what he fought for. 2. i think he should be a free man. i think he should be remembered for what he did. 3. i don't understand why he won the nobel PEACE prize and is the most respected man alive considering what he plotted to do and the murders that the group he led carried out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 two wrongs make a right then? i'm not saying they don't, just wondering what your opinion is. In this case yes because the alternative would be for one wrong to be inflicted indefinately. The two wrongs are not equal either, Mandela was attempting to stop a wrong. Its different from revenge as the saying implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 i am actually heading to sleep right now since i'm leaving i don't want my words twisted too much whilst i'm asleep. 1. i agree with what he fought for. 2. i think he should be a free man. i think he should be remembered for what he did. 3. i don't understand why he won the nobel PEACE prize and is the most respected man alive considering what he plotted to do and the murders that the group he led carried out. Yeh me too, im quite tired now, I understand your position, I think that you are uncomfortable accepting violence as neccessary in this case. To that i would say look at the first & second world wars, wouldnt you agree that the allied forces are heros for liberating the occupied countries and defeating the nazis, even at the human cost of the soldiers and civilians? I think that fighting and killing can be justified in certain circumstances, mandela is one of those cases in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 But allied forces made lot of unjustified atrocities, but this is a a different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 But allied forces made lot of unjustified atrocities, but this is a a different topic. Ok but the main point is still relevant, that they fought a war to save people. out of general curiosity what atrocities did they commit? I know they executed unarmed german soldiers at some concentration camps but to be honest I think thats totally justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Justified? I don't think so, because then they were becoming like them. Russian soldiers did massive rapes on lots of villages, german or not. And even if they were german, it wasn't their fault a totalitarian bastard was wrecking havoc around Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I would have rather died than be part of gassing entire families. I think the nazis deserve to die if they kill innocents. I dont think that makes me anywhere near as bad as a nazi? Edit: actually i think you may be right. We are the good guys so I think we ought to take the higher moral ground, But other than that I dont see a problem with it, If somebody killed a relative of mine i would want them to die painfully, Is that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 But the german people in general? Citizens I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 But the german people in general? Citizens I mean? Oh no, of course that is totally wrong and barbaric, i didnt know you meant the them. And yes I agree they were only complicit to the regime because of Hitler and the Gestapo etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 That's racist. not necessarily but very possible. they may have hated him because he killed one of their relatives in his struggle against the corrupt government. i wouldn't say that was hatred based on race. good ol' google Nope, it's 100% racist. why? they could well be racists and it could be racially motivated but from the information given how have you decided it was racist? all you know is two white south african twins hate nelson mandela. He wasn't a terrorist, just because the government says someone is a menace doesn't mean he's a criminal. Yes he was like a great symbol of the cause. Spot on! Anyone can be labeled as a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViVA Child Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I dont mind him so much.. he's ...eh Im more of a Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi person. "What do you think of Western Civilization" "I think it would be a wonderful idea" :laugh3: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indanomati Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 ........do you have inside information? if not then that's a ridiculous statement. I dont know much about the corruptness of the government but im sure its was about a million times worse that the blair/bush government, and just for the record the wars were certainly not illlegal, Sadam was the one that broke international law. The UK & USA should be proud of the liberation of Iraq, now they can vote people into power, obviously there was an awful human cost but Sadam had inflicted much more on his own people and the Kurds, (the largest ethnic group to have no homeland) Sorry to change the subject slightly but i had to express it. Haha, man. You'll never learn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotdensestate Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Greg you're so wrong. What he did empowered peace in South Africa, you can't always be peaceful to achieve peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs. chris martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 HE SERVED ALMOST 30 YEARS IN PRISON FOR TRYING TO INTEGRATE A COUNTRY WHERE 15% OF THE POPULATION OPPRESSED THE OTHER 85% !!!! HE'S COMPLETELY UNDERRATED it's so sad that there are soooooooo many kids in my school & old that don't even know who he is. i was just like "seriously??!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivers of Avalon Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 i don't care :smug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Haha, man. You'll never learn.. well teach me then, what have i said that you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 You can also get a Nelson Mandela "sat-nav"....................... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 You can also get a Nelson Mandela "sat-nav"....................... :P LOL really?? It would be cool if it spoke in his voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indanomati Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 well teach me then, what have i said that you disagree with? What kind of fucked up liberation is that you see in Iraq..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Martin Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 What kind of fucked up liberation is that you see in Iraq..? The kind that before the war they had a murderous dictatorship, now they have a government. How is that "fucked up"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indanomati Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Yeah.. cause their government is so good and functioning perfectly now. And sooo little people died there and still dying.. yeah.. And why won't they leave if they have a government and all now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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