Mass shooting at Batman premiere

[Prospector]

Why do these things happen so often on the USA?

[Jack Bauer]

Why do these things happen so often on the USA?

 

These kinds of things happen everywhere, it's just that they get more publicity in your home country. If this happened somewhere else it would probably just go across the ticker at the bottom of news channels.

[Tnspieler1012]

Why do these things happen so often on the USA?

They don't. There really hasn't been an event of this type with the same type, scope, and size of reaction in the US since the Virginia Tech massacre.

 

On that note, after hearing an endless discussion on a radio talk show today about this shooting, they casually mentioned 90+ dying today in various attacks across Iraq. Ethnocentrism at its worst.

[Spider-Man]

Because This is America. We do the stupidest sh*t in the entire world. Go watch the news and then you will see news casters arguing over this. Then again they would rather debate over same sex marriage rather than the Colorado fire's. " Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding meaning". This quote is true, to an extent. Except he wasn't a criminal until now.

 

When a tree falls down and nobody is there to hear it, nobody hears it. Although in america, everybody hears it. It's morally wrong.

[rainplay]

Some of the scenes in the movie made me think about this.. It's just terrible.

 

And then I heard about this girl who survived the shooting in Toronto, but then was killed here..

 

The world sucks..

 

 

 

Going back to the topic at hand, Colorado allows for the death penalty (that is a State-by-State law, not all have it). It is likely that the prosecution will ask for it. So aside from the tragedy of the situation as a whole, this is going to be yet another spark in the debate over the death penalty.

 

In cases like these, where there's no doubt that the person is guilty, I'm all for the death penalty. Money shouldn't be wasted on "people" like this to provide them with 3 meals a day and a freaking roof over their heads..

[SupermassiveCPnerd]

In cases like these, where there's no doubt that the person is guilty, I'm all for the death penalty. Money shouldn't be wasted on "people" like this to provide them with 3 meals a day and a freaking roof over their heads..

 

Agreed.

[Spider-Man]

Some of the scenes in the movie made me think about this.. It's just terrible.

 

And then I heard about this girl who survived the shooting in Toronto, but then was killed here..

 

The world sucks..

 

 

 

In cases like these, where there's no doubt that the person is guilty, I'm all for the death penalty. Money shouldn't be wasted on "people" like this to provide them with 3 meals a day and a freaking roof over their heads..

 

As great as that sounds, we have to provide basic human rights. No matter what crime they committed. As for the death penalty, I personally don't like it. You can lock somebody up as long as you want, but to take an eye for an eye(s) is just as bad as committing a crime such as murder. It's legalized murder. You may flame me to the point of humiliation but that is what I think.

[rainplay]

As great as that sounds, we have to provide basic human rights. No matter what crime they committed. As for the death penalty, I personally don't like it. You can lock somebody up as long as you want, but to take an eye for an eye(s) is just as bad as committing a crime such as murder. It's legalized murder. You may flame me to the point of humiliation but that is what I think.

 

Screw basic human rights. Just throw them in the ocean and get it over with.

 

But yeah, I do see where you're coming from.. But some of these people live in better conditions than a lot of good people in the world, and there's something wrong with that.

[Spider-Man]

Screw basic human rights. Just throw them in the ocean and get it over with.

 

But yeah, I do see where you're coming from.. But some of these people live in better conditions than a lot of good people in the world, and there's something wrong with that.

 

It's not where we come from, but what we do, that defines who we become. Unfortunately That can go both ways for people who are poor and do not have enough. Which is why people with more should have a duty to help those in need. As I see it. I agree with your point.

[Prospector]

They don't. There really hasn't been an event of this type with the same type, scope, and size of reaction in the US since the Virginia Tech massacre.

 

 

5 years and you don't think that's often? I remember only 2 cases here, one in 1999 on a movie theather (pretty similar, but this one killed 5 or 6) and other in 2011 at a school, more than 10 years between them. On the USA, on the period of 13 years there was the Columbine shooting, Virginia Tech, Illinois University and now Aurora, come on, that's absurd! (those are just a some I remembered, Ithink there was another too)

[taameen**sparks**]

^Was it the one in Arizona?

[Spider-Man]

It's America.

[Jack Bauer]

It's America.

 

It's everywhere.

[Prospector]

^Was it the one in Arizona?

 

I really don't know most of the names of the states in the USA, sorry :(

[taameen**sparks**]

Ah ok.

[Spider-Man]

It's everywhere.

 

mostly in the middle east. That area of the world is f*cked up.

[Tnspieler1012]

Because This is America. We do the stupidest sh*t in the entire world.

I do not. :angry:

 

Go watch the news and then you will see news casters arguing over this.

The shooting or America's stupidity?

 

Then again they would rather debate over same sex marriage rather than the Colorado fire's.

Well I, for one, think that fire is disruptive to the moral fabric of society.

 

" Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding meaning". This quote is true, to an extent. Except he wasn't a criminal until now.

I...I, just have no idea what you're trying to say anymore.

 

When a tree falls down and nobody is there to hear it, nobody hears it. Although in america, everybody hears it. It's morally wrong.

Okay...The fuck?

 

5 years and you don't think that's often?I remember only 2 cases here, one in 1999 on a movie theather (pretty similar, but this one killed 5 or 6) and other in 2011 at a school, more than 10 years between them. On the USA, on the period of 13 years there was the Columbine shooting, Virginia Tech, Illinois University and now Aurora, come on, that's absurd! (those are just a some I remembered, Ithink there was another too)

No, I don't think that's often at all considering the amount of psychopaths on this planet, the size of this country, the regularity of similar foreign events that don't get a 10th of the media coverage (the Norway camp attacks for instance, which was twice as deadly as Virginia tech). Considering that 90 people were murdered today in the US and Mexico (about 45 each statistically), which is, in turn, dwarfed by everything that happens daily with the Arab Spring...the only thing that makes this event notable is the killer's dramatic choice of method and venue.

[The Final Track]

In cases like these, where there's no doubt that the person is guilty, I'm all for the death penalty. Money shouldn't be wasted on "people" like this to provide them with 3 meals a day and a freaking roof over their heads..

 

The death penalty costs much more than imprisonment.

[Tnspieler1012]

I really don't know most of the names of the states in the USA, sorry :(

I always wondered how much or if other countries bother to teach them in geography. I am proud to know the provinces and capitals of Canada, but even that was extracurricular.

[Wyrd]

^ to teach them in the geography of the USA or of their own country? I know all provences of my country, all capitals, location, name. Also all countries in Europe.

But on the other hand, I don't know where exactly most of the states are located in USA. :S

 

I was really surprised to see academic people from USA not even knowing if the country they were visiting was a country or a city and what language they spoke or where in Europa they were. I can imagine that you don't get that in school, but if you are going to work there for a while, you should at least know what language they speak or which country you are in, right?

 

But then again, I saw Fox News talking about Egypt while pointing at Iraq on the map. :P

 

Is there already anything known about why the guy did the shooting?

[Cobalt]

Screw basic human rights

 

hahaha oh god

[Coeurli]

As great as that sounds, we have to provide basic human rights. No matter what crime they committed. As for the death penalty, I personally don't like it. You can lock somebody up as long as you want, but to take an eye for an eye(s) is just as bad as committing a crime such as murder. It's legalized murder. You may flame me to the point of humiliation but that is what I think.

:nod: This

Screw basic human rights. Just throw them in the ocean and get it over with.

 

But yeah, I do see where you're coming from.. But some of these people live in better conditions than a lot of good people in the world, and there's something wrong with that.

Uuh no, don't throw them in the ocean :uhoh:

I see your second point, though :nod:

It's not where we come from, but what we do, that defines who we become. Unfortunately That can go both ways for people who are poor and do not have enough. Which is why people with more should have a duty to help those in need. As I see it. I agree with your point.

:nod:

 

But I don't think there's even a point of debating death penalty here, as I read he fills all the conditions and will most likely get it anyway.

5 years and you don't think that's often? I remember only 2 cases here, one in 1999 on a movie theather (pretty similar, but this one killed 5 or 6) and other in 2011 at a school, more than 10 years between them. On the USA, on the period of 13 years there was the Columbine shooting, Virginia Tech, Illinois University and now Aurora, come on, that's absurd! (those are just a some I remembered, Ithink there was another too)

Oh, and the one in Arkansas, the boys who shot their classmates. It was before Columbine, I believe. We studied it in English class and boy it traumatized me :wreck: One of them was offered a hunting gun for Christmas when he was 6 :worried2:

No, I don't think that's often at all considering the amount of psychopaths on this planet, the size of this country, the regularity of similar foreign events that don't get a 10th of the media coverage (the Norway camp attacks for instance, which was twice as deadly as Virginia tech). Considering that 90 people were murdered today in the US and Mexico (about 45 each statistically), which is, in turn, dwarfed by everything that happens daily with the Arab Spring...the only thing that makes this event notable is the killer's dramatic choice of method and venue.

On the Norway camp attacks media coverage: it may not get coverage now, but I can assure it did get A LOT last July. Maybe not in USA, but in Europe it definitely got it. And it got more than the Aurora shooting (for instance: I told my parents yesterday about this shooting, and believe me last year I didn't have to tell them, they knew already).

And, when you say "the regularity of similar foreign events", I also have to disagree: not only does it happen quite rarely in non-at-war countries, but it happens in different countries. I think his point was that it's weird that it happens in the same country. Now, I see your point that your country is huge, so it might be a bit of a logical explanation. The mass shootings in the US also seem quite special compared to the ones occurring elsewhere. I mean that the mass shootings in the US that I've heard of didn't appear to be tied to a political issue, as opposed to the ones in Europe, for instance.

But then again, I saw Fox News talking about Egypt while pointing at Iraq on the map. :P

 

 

:dozey:

[Jack Bauer]

I just saw some spot on tv about a guy who was in the theater and went back to finish the movie. When they interviewed him he said we can only try to forgive. While that's all well and good he went on to say "you dont know what hes going through and you dont know why he did it." What a stupid thing to say. Theres NO excuse for what he did and the fact of the matter is if he of someone he was there with had gotten shot hed probably feel a little bit different.

[Prospector]

I always wondered how much or if other countries bother to teach them in geography. I am proud to know the provinces and capitals of Canada, but even that was extracurricular.

 

Well I know the name of mine 26 states :P

 

On the Norway camp attacks media coverage: it may not get coverage now, but I can assure it did get A LOT last July. Maybe not in USA, but in Europe it definitely got it. And it got more than the Aurora shooting (for instance: I told my parents yesterday about this shooting, and believe me last year I didn't have to tell them, they knew already).

And, when you say "the regularity of similar foreign events", I also have to disagree: not only does it happen quite rarely in non-at-war countries, but it happens in different countries. I think his point was that it's weird that it happens in the same country. Now, I see your point that your country is huge, so it might be a bit of a logical explanation. The mass shootings in the US also seem quite special compared to the ones occurring elsewhere. I mean that the mass shootings in the US that I've heard of didn't appear to be tied to a political issue, as opposed to the ones in Europe, for instance.

 

 

That's pretty much what I was saying. We had a lot of coverage about the Norway case here (more than Aurora), and Brazil is quite big too and we don't it have that often.

[busybeeburns]

Aurora theater shooting: Gun sales up since tragedy

 

Background checks for people wanting to buy guns in Colorado jumped more than 41 percent after Friday morning's shooting at an Aurora movie theater, and firearms instructors say they're also seeing increased interest in the training required for a concealed-carry permit.

 

"It's been insane," Jake Meyers, an employee at Rocky Mountain Guns and Ammo in Parker, said Monday.

 

When he arrived at work Friday morning — just hours after a gunman killed 12 and injured 58 others at the Century Aurora 16 theater — there already were 15 to 20 people waiting outside the store, Meyers said.

 

He called Monday "probably the busiest Monday all year" and said the basic firearms classes that he and the store's owner teach are booked solid for the next three weeks, something that hadn't happened all year. "A lot of it is people saying, 'I didn't think I needed a gun, but now I do,' " Meyers said. "When it happens in your backyard, people start reassessing — 'Hey, I go to the movies.' "

 

Between Friday and Sunday, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm — a 43 percent increase over the previous Friday through Sunday and a 39 percent jump over those same days on the first weekend of July.

 

The biggest spike was on Friday, when there were 1,216 checks, a 43 percent increase over the average number for the previous two Fridays. The checks are required before anyone may legally purchase a gun in Colorado. Because some purchasers may have bought more than one gun or decided against their purchase, the actual number bought may have been different from 2,887.

 

Such increases aren't unusual in the wake of mass shootings. After a gunman in Tucson killed six people and injured others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, in 2010, background checks in Arizona jumped 60 percent over the same date one year earlier, according to the FBI.

 

A similar increase occurred in Virginia after the shootings at Virginia Tech University in 2007. Dion Studinski, who teaches a course required for people to apply for a concealed-carry permit, said his class for Saturday at Firing-Line gun store and indoor shooting range in Aurora is overbooked. "We've definitely had an increase," he said.

 

Tom Mauser, a gun-control advocate whose son Daniel was killed at Columbine High School in 1999, said he wasn't surprised by the numbers. To me that's just symbolic of the fear that drives (people)," he said.

 

State Rep. Rhonda Fields, D-Aurora, said she understands what people are thinking when they walk into a gun shop. But she hopes buying a gun isn't the only response people have. She would also like to see Congress reinstate an assault-weapons ban, and she said Colorado should look into other measures that could prevent tragedies like Friday's shooting. "I think that's what the conversation needs to be," she said. "I don't think that to be preventative, we need to provide or have more guns."

 

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21142159/gun-sales-up-since-tragedy