Some of the people on here would have had a response similar to that avatar you all have.

Obama, fuck yeah! :dance: I'm very happy people voted for him :wacky:

I believe the world sighed of relief today :nod:

I don't see how it's a relief, people's main issue with Mitt is that he clearly portrays the kind of asshole who doesn't care or connect about regular people, this may be true, but there was every chance he could have delivered more economically if not on a personal level.

 

But now rest assured, we have someone who may truly care about people, and doesn't do a damn thing about it, that's a proven track record.

 

WAHOO!!! NOTHING'S CHANGED! THINGS STILL SUCK!!! BOOYAH!!!

 

U-S-A! U-S-A!

Now he can really get stuck into all those policies that nobody likes.

I don't see how it's a relief, people's main issue with Mitt is that he clearly portrays the kind of asshole who doesn't care or connect about regular people, this may be true, but there was every chance he could have delivered more economically if not on a personal level.

 

But now rest assured, we have someone who may truly care about people, and doesn't do a damn thing about it, that's a proven track record.

 

 

 

U-S-A! U-S-A!

To me it's a relief for 2/3 main reasons.

1. For now, I'm okay with the way Obama has dealt with international issues. By that I mean that, compared to Bush for instance, the main message hasn't been, for 4 years: WE R AMERICANS SO WE R DA BEST AND WE KNOW FREEDOM BETTER THAN YOU SO SHUT UP AND IF U DISAGREE WITH US THEN GO FUCK YOURSELF (AND BY THE WAY WE RE GONNA STOP CALLING THOSE POTATOES FRENCH FRIES BECAUSE FRANCE IS RIDICULOUS LOLLOL)

Romney being tied to the Republican party, I was a bit afraid that it would have come back to that a little - except for the French fries thing, of course, I was just being silly :P.

2. As you said, he doesn't seem to connect or care about regular people, and honestly to me he really seemed to be one big liar (more than Obama, whose number of lies seem to be pretty low or average for a politician)

3. Recently I have heard about a big problem in USA: the students' debt. It is today estimated at about 1 000 billion $, and more and more students have had more and more difficulties to pay their debts. My parents saw a subject about it in the news, and a journalist did a little investigation. Apparently, you can call a bank, tell them you're a [subject] student at [university] and that you need a loan, and the only thing the bank asks you is a proof that you're indeed studying something somewhere, and then the next day you can, if you needed 100 000$ for instance, have that amount of money in your bank account :| That's nice and convenient, but it gets much less nice when students have to pay back and don't have enough money to do so (some banks even call before they graduated from college...), especially now that the economy and the work market aren't doing great. I'm talking about this because this issue has a potential, in the near future, to have an impact on the work market, on banks, so basically on the US economy. If that has a big impact on the US economy, it has at least a little impact on Europe, and NO THANK YOU we have enough problems already :P

My personal opinion is that, in order to start solving this issue, the USA would need someone who starts focusing on Education (a big rewrite of the system is what you need, really, although that is a quite utopian sight, I agree) and more regulation of the organizations that lend money to people. Pretty much nothing has changed from 2008, and now the students, so, the future potential workers, are suffering from it. I don't think Education or bank regulation are that much of Republicans' priorities.

 

So that's what I meant by "a relief", because, even if Obama may not/probably won't do much more, at least it's not going in the opposite direction.

Lesser of two evils.

Went to bed at 6am this morning. Tuned back into CNN just now.

 

 

Does Wolf Blitzer ever sleep?

To me it's a relief for 2/3 main reasons.

1. For now, I'm okay with the way Obama has dealt with international issues. By that I mean that, compared to Bush for instance, the main message hasn't been, for 4 years: WE R AMERICANS SO WE R DA BEST AND WE KNOW FREEDOM BETTER THAN YOU SO SHUT UP AND IF U DISAGREE WITH US THEN GO FUCK YOURSELF (AND BY THE WAY WE RE GONNA STOP CALLING THOSE POTATOES FRENCH FRIES BECAUSE FRANCE IS RIDICULOUS LOLLOL)

Romney being tied to the Republican party, I was a bit afraid that it would have come back to that a little - except for the French fries thing, of course, I was just being silly :P.

2. As you said, he doesn't seem to connect or care about regular people, and honestly to me he really seemed to be one big liar (more than Obama, whose number of lies seem to be pretty low or average for a politician)

3. Recently I have heard about a big problem in USA: the students' debt. It is today estimated at about 1 000 billion $, and more and more students have had more and more difficulties to pay their debts. My parents saw a subject about it in the news, and a journalist did a little investigation. Apparently, you can call a bank, tell them you're a [subject] student at [university] and that you need a loan, and the only thing the bank asks you is a proof that you're indeed studying something somewhere, and then the next day you can, if you needed 100 000$ for instance, have that amount of money in your bank account :| That's nice and convenient, but it gets much less nice when students have to pay back and don't have enough money to do so (some banks even call before they graduated from college...), especially now that the economy and the work market aren't doing great. I'm talking about this because this issue has a potential, in the near future, to have an impact on the work market, on banks, so basically on the US economy. If that has a big impact on the US economy, it has at least a little impact on Europe, and NO THANK YOU we have enough problems already :P

My personal opinion is that, in order to start solving this issue, the USA would need someone who starts focusing on Education (a big rewrite of the system is what you need, really, although that is a quite utopian sight, I agree) and more regulation of the organizations that lend money to people. Pretty much nothing has changed from 2008, and now the students, so, the future potential workers, are suffering from it. I don't think Education or bank regulation are that much of Republicans' priorities.

 

So that's what I meant by "a relief", because, even if Obama may not/probably won't do much more, at least it's not going in the opposite direction.

Lesser of two evils.

 

Well not just that it's a relief for you personally, but you said its a relief for the world, as if it's universal that Romney would have done so much worse. How could Romney be any more disastrous without nuking the place?

 

But anyway, your first point had nothing to do with Romney except he's Republican (And there's only 2 choices, Obama was rejected by Republicans actually). The 2nd point, I hope you're not basing on how Obama doesn't seem to be a liar because in trying to be a radical leader he's ended up lying way more then Bush ever had, with this smear campaign against Romney he and his farcical advertisements have multiplied Obama's lies ten fold (And not to say Romney hasn't done the same).

 

But the 3rd point in particular intrigues me, people are getting away with basically fraud from the governments intentions to give loans to students and you gave no reason as to why Obama would be any more suitable to deal with this. Now I'm thinking, who cares more about keeping every penny, Romney or Obama? I might not like the greasy businessman as much but when he sees money going away from him it's in his nature to stamp that out immediately, it's that pure greed kicking in, he would take that personally even if he gets no direct gain from it- however Obama is passive, so what if some wannabe students get money? I'm sure they'll pay it back to us, I'm sure they're good people...

 

And as for that student loan bill, Obama as a senator missed the vote on that twice in 2007, as he often did for many issues.

To me it's a relief for 2/3 main reasons.

1. For now, I'm okay with the way Obama has dealt with international issues. By that I mean that, compared to Bush for instance, the main message hasn't been, for 4 years: WE R AMERICANS SO WE R DA BEST AND WE KNOW FREEDOM BETTER THAN YOU SO SHUT UP AND IF U DISAGREE WITH US THEN GO FUCK YOURSELF (AND BY THE WAY WE RE GONNA STOP CALLING THOSE POTATOES FRENCH FRIES BECAUSE FRANCE IS RIDICULOUS LOLLOL)

Romney being tied to the Republican party, I was a bit afraid that it would have come back to that a little - except for the French fries thing, of course, I was just being silly :P.

This is sort of why I'm often miffed at some Europeans weighing in so heavily on American politics. The 3 or 4 Czechs I've discussed the election with pretty much based their whole opinions on the way the candidates seem to behave when they visit foreign countries: Romney being awkward and gaffe-prone, and Obama always looking cool. But as far as actual foreign and economic policy goes though, it might as well have been Bush's 3rd term.

 

 

2. As you said, he doesn't seem to connect or care about regular people, and honestly to me he really seemed to be one big liar (more than Obama, whose number of lies seem to be pretty low or average for a politician)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

 

 

3. My personal opinion is that, in order to start solving this issue, the USA would need someone who starts focusing on Education (a big rewrite of the system is what you need, really, although that is a quite utopian sight, I agree) and more regulation of the organizations that lend money to people. Pretty much nothing has changed from 2008

^bold = my point

This is sort of why I'm often miffed at some Europeans weighing in so heavily on American politics. The 3 or 4 Czechs I've discussed the election with pretty much based their whole opinions on the way the candidates seem to behave when they visit foreign countries: Romney being awkward and gaffe-prone, and Obama always looking cool. But as far as actual foreign and economic policy goes though, it might as well have been Bush's 3rd term.

 

This would be why the poll in this thread is so lob-sided, it's mainly foreigners who like the black guy, because he seems cool and he's not the greasy billionaire looking guy who will rob everyone of all their moneys so he can build a bigger a mansion or something lol! He just, yknow, looks like that, I get a feeling- yknow?

Well not just that it's a relief for you personally, but you said its a relief for the world, as if it's universal that Romney would have done so much worse. How could Romney be any more disastrous without nuking the place?

 

But anyway, your first point had nothing to do with Romney except he's Republican (And there's only 2 choices, Obama was rejected by Republicans actually). The 2nd point, I hope you're not basing on how Obama doesn't seem to be a liar because in trying to be a radical leader he's ended up lying way more then Bush ever had, with this smear campaign against Romney he and his farcical advertisements have multiplied Obama's lies ten fold (And not to say Romney hasn't done the same).

 

But the 3rd point in particular intrigues me, people are getting away with basically fraud from the governments intentions to give loans to students and you gave no reason as to why Obama would be any more suitable to deal with this. Now I'm thinking, who cares more about keeping every penny, Romney or Obama? I might not like the greasy businessman as much but when he sees money going away from him it's in his nature to stamp that out immediately, it's that pure greed kicking in, he would take that personally even if he gets no direct gain from it- however Obama is passive, so what if some wannabe students get money? I'm sure they'll pay it back to us, I'm sure they're good people...

 

And as for that student loan bill, Obama as a senator missed the vote on that twice in 2007, as he often did for many issues.

Oh, right, I understand I explained my personal view instead of saying why it would be a relief for the world, my bad.

Whether it's right or wrong, based on facts or not, there seems to be a global impression, feeling, that Obama delivers a quite peaceful image and message. Also, even though Romney definitely isn't like Bush, at all, I think most people associate Obama with going forward, and Romney, the Republican, so the one that is from the same party as Bush, not going forward.

 

Then, as I said, Obama is an average liar. Romney's big lie on Jeep relocating its production to China is pretty impressive, for instance.

 

For the third point, I meant that, in my mind, but correct me if I'm wrong, Democrats are more focused on Education issues than Republicans are, and that there are potentially more prone to banks regulation than Republicans. Yes, I justify my ideas by saying mostly that he is a Republican, because Romney is tied to a party, and would have most likely applied ideas from his party. I mean that I think a Democrat candidate was more suited for this, imo, than a Republican one, generally speaking.

This is sort of why I'm often miffed at some Europeans weighing in so heavily on American politics. The 3 or 4 Czechs I've discussed the election with pretty much based their whole opinions on the way the candidates seem to behave when they visit foreign countries: Romney being awkward and gaffe-prone, and Obama always looking cool. But as far as actual foreign and economic policy goes though, it might as well have been Bush's 3rd term.

I see your point here :nod:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Thanks for that, that is interesting. Obama does seem to lie proportionally a bit less than Romney, and Romney seems to tell more "pants on fire" kind of lies.(lol at that category btw :lol: )

^bold = my point

Obama obviously still has to prove himself in that matter. I meant that the banks haven't changed anything. Something definitely should have happened but did not. Obama has a responsibility, of course. Again, I do not believe that Republicans' policy is to regulate banks more, which is what I personally think would be better, in the current context.

Oh, right, I understand I explained my personal view instead of saying why it would be a relief for the world, my bad.

 

That's fine because I didn't quite make it clear that this was what annoyed me in the first place and annoys me generally, there is a big song and dance over the re-election of a president who hasn't been a success, and for no major reason against Romney. I mean I understand your reasons, but again I don't think they're dramatic enough to say that it's a great universal relief because the alternative option would have been so disastrous, even worse. I just don't get that.

 

Also, that politifact website is a bit odd, it also includes statements about Romney by others yet portrays the level of truth as if they are things he has said, that's not quite fair.

Some people still think he's the messiah? I agree with the above comments. The fears over Romney don't seem close to being justified largely caused by lefty hysteria/propaganda.

OBAMA

 

 

Whoooooo

Some people still think he's the messiah? I agree with the above comments. The fears over Romney don't seem close to being justified largely caused by lefty hysteria/propaganda.

You mean Obama ? Some people still think he's the Antichrist, so... :|

 

I've heard about how many political commercials US citizens have had to watch during the campaign. Damn, that must have been sickening!

Outside of America, I think it's mostly the gaffes Romney made (or people of his party...*coughToddAkincough* ) that accentuated the fear.

Anyone who thinks Romney would have been good clearly is missing a key element: A UTERUS. This may sound selfish, but I don't want to live in a (marginally at best) economically balanced country where my rights are suppressed. And Romney could no more change things in 4 years than any other president. In terms of civil rights, nothing he could have accomplished would have offset the steps backwards into the dark ages America would probably have taken.

I would have been curious to see what the response would have been on here, had Romney won.

 

No time to look back! Hillary 2016:)

Oh how I love my 2 geeky nates. Republicans waged war with 2 geeky young guys just interpreting numbers.

 

 

The revenge of the nerds is so sweet :lol:

lol.

 

Actually there are a few Conservatives on here tat would have been happy. And I will say that of the past several Republican candidates for president, he was the one I liked most. Back when he was 'Moderate Mitt' he might have had my vote! The party just had too many loose cannons and intolerant candidates, and their gridlocking of Congress showed their true colours, imo.

No time to look back! Hillary 2016:)

 

:nod:

 

Nate Silver is a beast. :dazzled:

This is just hilarious :lol:

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDxOSjgl5Z4]Chris Rock - Message for White Voters - YouTube[/ame]

:nod:

 

Nate Silver is a beast. :dazzled:

 

You better check Nate Cohn as well. Numbers analysis has never sounded so cute.:)

Oh how I love my 2 geeky nates. Republicans waged war with 2 geeky young guys just interpreting numbers.

 

 

The revenge of the nerds is so sweet :lol:

 

Nate Silver kept me sane. Whenever I started to lose heart, I'd read FiveThirtyEight and he'd settle me down. :P

Nate Silver kept me sane. Whenever I started to lose heart, I'd read FiveThirtyEight and he'd settle me down. :P

 

I don't know if you watch The Good Wife. Nathan Lane's character said in 1 episode, you know the wondrous thing about numbers? You can't hide.

It was really fun watching Carl Rove arguing with the Fox News desk calling Ohio for Obama. Rachel Maddow showed a very funny clip at the start on tonight's show. I really hope it gets posted on youtube b/c it's simply hilarious.:laugh3:

Oh my goodness, last night's episode of South Park. I don't know how they come up with that stuff so quickly before airtime! Cartman going across the country to steal oodles of ballots for Romney so that Obama won; which was a directive from the Chinese government (General Tso), because China wanted to be able to control/buyout/whatever the rights to the Star Wars franchise so that new (real-life) owner Disney (just announced a few days ago) wouldn't screw up the next 3 movies; Morgan Freeman getting a new freckle each time he explains complicated issues with his soothing voice (direct reference to Obama's TV commercials of course)... that was an instant classic episode.