i will say Judging, not only to support my previous hypothesis :p

but i agree with @iamsue and, well, even his riffs are very structured and predictable (not in a bad way, sorry Jonny!)

Hmm, I think what you're describing here has more to do with the Observant type rather than the P/J dichotomy.

 

I just looked over the descriptions for the ISTP, ISTJ, ISFP, and ISFJ personalities, since the last two traits were the ones we weren't sure about. It seems Jonny's personality is best described as ISFJ. Take a look here. What do you guys think?

Yeah I think it looks pretty good because it covers that more introverted side of him but also says that he is social with other people in his own way. Which I think is right.

I just looked over the descriptions for the ISTP, ISTJ, ISFP, and ISFJ personalities, since the last two traits were the ones we weren't sure about. It seems Jonny's personality is best described as ISFJ. Take a look here. What do you guys think?

 

i can see ISTJ fitting him in some ways, too. but i would say maybe based on what we as complete outsiders know of him, probably ISFJ fits very well.

i can see ISTJ fitting him in some ways, too. but i would say maybe based on what we as complete outsiders know of him, probably ISFJ fits very well.

I think this explains the confusion we had with the last two letters:

The ISFJ personality type is quite unique, as many of their qualities defy the definition of their individual traits. Though possessing the Feeling (F) trait, ISFJs have excellent analytical abilities; though Introverted (I), they have well-developed people skills and robust social relationships; and though they are a Judging (J) type, ISFJs are often receptive to change and new ideas.

This personality is naturally difficult to determine, isn't it? Which would explain why we were having trouble with Jonny. I also looked at ISTJ and I agree they're similar in a lot of ways, but ISTJs are more independent and "their blunt approach leaves others with the false impression that ISTJs are cold, or even robotic," which doesn't sound like Jonny to me.

Agree!

 

 

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No other objections, let's continue then! Onto Will.

 

Is Will introverted or extroverted?

 

(@gai, please set up the new poll - thanks in advance.)

Extroverted with a capital E!

 

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I think he's a bit in between but I think he's more extroverted. So kinda like a reserved extrovert.

extrovert. not quite as much as Chris, of course :P

I voted hard to tell because I think he is in between...

Wait whaaaat! At first I thought he was really an introvert but you all are making me think now.

I voted hard to tell because I think he is in between...

I don't think there is such a thing as in-between. The theory says that a person is either one or the other.

Wait whaaaat! At first I thought he was really an introvert but you all are making me think now.

 

I don't think there is such a thing as in-between. The theory says that a person is either one or the other.

 

Will almost always seems to be comfortable interacting with other people and is very engaged in any situation (that i can remember seeing him in :rolleyes:). he may not prefer the spotlight the way Chris does... but i think when we're talking about this on such a massive scale it's not fair to use that same judgement. i'm sure that even extroverts have their limits, after all :P

Absolutely true, there are degrees, even if the 16 Personalities doesn't recognize in-between. We are all thinking about this in terms of talkative-ness, liking the spotlight. Think about it as what a person does to unwind. I see Will doing things in groups alot, like going to soccer matches. That is why I said E. You all are making me re-think the extent of his E. Itls probably more like E 60%, I40%.

 

 

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Absolutely true, there are degrees, even if the 16 Personalities doesn't recognize in-between. We are all thinking about this in terms of talkative-ness, liking the spotlight. Think about it as what a person does to unwind. I see Will doing things in groups alot, like going to soccer matches. That is why I said E. You all are making me re-think the extent of his E. Itls probably more like E 60%, I40%.

 

 

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Yeah I agree, like I saw a post of a fan meeting up with Will recently and Will seemed pretty fine about it. Like he seems to enjoy meeting people like that and running into people, whereas an introvert would probably rather have their own space and not have to deal with running into people. Yeah and I think Chris has referred him to being the "stabiliser" of the band, so he definitely puts himself, and his opinions, out there in the band.

Your arguments make sense.

By the way, with in between I meant something like E 60% I 40%, which is also a test result you can get on the website.

I just discovered this thread. It sounds funny!

 

I would also go for extroverted.

If you are watching some interviews he will always give an answer on his own and seems to be fine with cameras.

Whereas Jonny is sometimes just sitting there saying hardly anything.

Your arguments make sense.

By the way, with in between I meant something like E 60% I 40%, which is also a test result you can get on the website.

Oh, ok. You're right. It is. I am a good example, I get like a 42/58 I think.

 

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I actually just looked it up and I got E 46% I 54% :)

I guess you people are right then. I see what you mean by the whole "degrees" thing. I think that everyone has introverted and extroverted tendencies, and being one or the other just means you prefer those behaviors. I watched some clips of Will and now I see why he would lean more toward extroverted, and if I had to guess the percentage, I would say E 75%, I 25%.

I actually just looked it up and I got E 46% I 54% :)

Oh wow, you might be ambiverted (yeah, that's actually a word). I'm 83% introverted. You may be able to offer us some insight into this dichotomy.

I guess you people are right then. I see what you mean by the whole "degrees" thing. I think that everyone has introverted and extroverted tendencies, and being one or the other just means you prefer those behaviors. I watched some clips of Will and now I see why he would lean more toward extroverted, and if I had to guess the percentage, I would say E 75%, I 25%.

 

Oh wow, you might be ambiverted (yeah, that's actually a word). I'm 83% introverted. You may be able to offer us some insight into this dichotomy.

 

Hm, yeah, ambiverted is a good point ! Never thought about it that way, but the E and I traits in my life really are quite contradictory and situation-dependent.

 

For example, in large groups or sitting at a large table with many people, I am that one person who sits quietly and focusses on the meal or whatever while everyone else is chatting to each other :D Sadly, I also noticed that often people seem to "forget" i'm also sitting there.

(Big shoutout to anyone here who is also that one quiet, forgotten person !)

I tend to be able to express myself better in 1:1 meetings or friendships as opposed to meetings with groups of several people or friends.

However, if I am to give a talk in front of a large audience, sometimes required in my job, I have no problem to talk confidently.

Talking to a stranger, on the other hand, requires me overcoming a large internal hurdle, and I almost never start a conversation with a stranger, even if I would be interested in talking to this person.

I expressly try to go to social events though because I don't like being solitary, which I guess is an E trait, but then I mostly end up being solitary anyway, just "lonely in a crowd", which is probably an I characteristic.

Very ambivalent...

 

@iamsue, you have got very similar values - how is it for you ?

Hm, yeah, ambiverted is a good point ! Never thought about it that way, but the E and I traits in my life really are quite contradictory and situation-dependent.

 

For example, in large groups or sitting at a large table with many people, I am that one person who sits quietly and focusses on the meal or whatever while everyone else is chatting to each other :D Sadly, I also noticed that often people seem to "forget" i'm also sitting there.

(Big shoutout to anyone here who is also that one quiet, forgotten person !)

I tend to be able to express myself better in 1:1 meetings or friendships as opposed to meetings with groups of several people or friends.

However, if I am to give a talk in front of a large audience, sometimes required in my job, I have no problem to talk confidently.

Talking to a stranger, on the other hand, requires me overcoming a large internal hurdle, and I almost never start a conversation with a stranger, even if I would be interested in talking to this person.

I expressly try to go to social events though because I don't like being solitary, which I guess is an E trait, but then I mostly end up being solitary anyway, just "lonely in a crowd", which is probably an I characteristic.

Very ambivalent...

 

@iamsue, you have got very similar values - how is it for you ?

@I ran away, we are VERY much alike in this respect. I would just add that I have no problem initiating conversation with strangers, and do it all the time. However, social interaction EXHAUSTS me. Having chronic jaw pain, and chronic fatigue, talking brings out both conditions after a very short time, say a 30 minute conversation and I am wiped out, have to take a 1-2 hour nap usually, and am in pain. I bring this up because it greatly impacts my extrovert side, and as you know, my career. I can only do work from home (social office talking, alone, was too much for me when I tried, and my work - Training and Organizational Development and HR all involved ALOT of talking) and must avoid group settings and a lot of social interaction where I can. So, point is, when I DO get in a conversation, I have to keep my extrovert in check, or I will take over the conversation and talk to the person until their ear falls off!

 

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Ok, we give him an E!

 

Is Will observant or intuitive?

@gai

I think observant because Chris, at least, calls him like the grounding member of the band that rationalises ideas and often has the final say on decisions.

I think observant because Chris, at least, calls him like the grounding member of the band that rationalises ideas and often has the final say on decisions.

Agree, for that reason and that he seems to be very talented in a number of instruments. I would think that he either is a genius at intuitively picking them up or he follows instructions for learning very well.

 

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going for observant on this one