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Can we slate the England team here or should we start an 'England are shit' thread? Ok, to be fair I didn't actually see the game, but if the reports are to be believed then I guess it was another boring, mind-numbing England 'performance'.

Good idea. They could change some of the lyrics while they're at it ;) A gospel choir would sound lovely though.

Ryan Giggs is amazing. A genuine legend in my opinion.

Yeah Mark Ronson really irks me... the fact he's probably made a fortune from adding some horns here and there and butchering a few songs really pisses me off. And he's always got that smug look on his face. What a git.

How cruel of him to laugh like that. They're streaming it on their MySpace page for a week if you can't wait to get your hands on it: http://www.myspace.com/theverve

Has anyone seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yphgr_xdjWw

I think there's a harpsichord in the link between the first chorus and "It was a wicked and wild wind". There's also piano around when Chris sings, "Revolutionaries wait for my head on a silver plate".

Come on guys (and girls). Vent your anger here.

I actually criticised DAAHF on page 1, but 'lazy mess' is probably more to the point than my nebulous (what a word) and undecided opinion. I can't tell if I like it or not. And the lyrics in Lost are finally starting to confuse me... "just because I'm hurting doesn't mean I'm hurt"... ??? Also, at the start, Chris says, "Doesn't mean I'm lost", then in the chorus he says, "I just got lost". So was he lost to begin with, or not at all, or... Hmmm. I've been exposed to the fish analogy since I was 9 yrs old so that's a bit meh. A shame because I like the actual music in it (even if Guy did go and put the kettle on while CJW were recording it.

Yawn.

It's so good because the woods were the battle at the start of the movie was shot are the same woods that Chris walks through in the video for The Scientist. Apparently.

Men are so much better than women.

ALBUM TRACKLISTING ANNOUNCED Hello folks. We've got an exclusive for you - here is the full tracklisting for Keane's terrific third album, Perfect Symmetry, which will be released on October 13th. 1. Spiralling 2. The Lovers Are Losing 3. Better Than This 4. You Haven't Told Me Anything 5. Perfect Symmetry 6. You Don't See Me 7. Again And Again 8. Playing Along 9. Pretend That You're Alone 10. Black Burning Heart 11. Love Is The End We can also reveal that the first full single release from the album will be The Lovers Are Losing, which is out on October 20th. Exciting times... Keane HQ

Oh shit, I forgot this was on. I hope it's being recorded. Actually they put it up on the XFM site don't they...? Phew.

Does anyone know what the track is that BBC played at the end of the Games Today, when they were showing all the medals GB won this weekend? It's got guitar, drums and an epic, beautiful choir singing something like "Oooh" or "Aaah". Edit: Never mind, someone informed me it's Wake Up by Arcade Fire - what a tune...

Yup, forget the perfection and the production etc, just write some tunes and upload them to Rapidshare for us.

A strawberry swing is best taken after a few mojo filters.

Hmm, on second thoughts, I guess Viva La Vida isn't exactly an obvious single is it, or is it? How commercial are string quartets and Jerusalem bells these days? I don't know... to hell with it, release Ode To Deodorant as a single; that'll take the airwaves by storm for sure.

They should just say, "Bollocks to marketability" and put out the most interesting, less-obvious tracks as singles otherwise we'll be consigned to radio-friendly meh-ness for eternity.

I have. I'd just been in the shower and I was standing over my bed where my laptop was checking my email and scanning this forum. It was great fun.

Wasn't there some perculiar actions to go with that song as well? Anyway, MEN v WOMEN... This can only be decided by some hot and dirty mud-wrestling. Mmm.

Postman's here, Postman's here, Letters come from far and near, All day long they make me want to cheer. Kevin was such a dope - the world and his wife (or the world and her husband?) - could see whenever there was a clue, but Kevin wouldn't be able to spot a clue if it jumped out in front of him, wearing a shocking green top with I AM A CLUE on the front.

I know he's probably joking, but Michael Johnson's attitude towards Michael Phelps is starting to grate on me.

The USA and UK versions both use that same hideous green shirt: They both even have a white collar! Is the American presenter as cringeful as our Kevin is/was... is he still alive?