EL MASRY is absolutely right. It is human nature to take revenge. So who's gonna be the proverbial bigger man and rise over the bloodshed? Someone's gotta do it for the sake of this whole region. Israel / Lebanon needs a modern-day Ghandi. :\

 

mrcool, I was almost gaining some respect for you. Too bad. :\

 

you're right, revenge is only natural. Actually, it's a part of islamic culture- they believe in blood vengeance u know?

That's the problem. There was relative peace for the last 4 years, that's what we want. Even if we were feeling vengeance for the hundrends of civilians that the palestinians killed in the suicide bombings during 2002, we weren't attacking because Israel doesnt care about revenge!! We'd rather feel abit mad and stay alive, I think u can give us that much respect. However, the arabs, in their islamic origin let the revenge get over the need to live, I cant understand that really.

All the pictures u see of dead ppl thrown on the street on CNN and stuff isnt because we kill them in masses, it's simply because they have very little respect for a dead body... but that's beside the point

 

the point is, israel only attacks when it needs to protect itself, not because we want revenge.

you're right, revenge is only natural. Actually, it's a part of islamic culture- they believe in blood vengeance u know?

That's the problem. There was relative peace for the last 4 years, that's what we want. Even if we were feeling vengeance for the hundrends of civilians that the palestinians killed in the suicide bombings during 2002, we weren't attacking because Israel doesnt care about revenge!! We'd rather feel abit mad and stay alive, I think u can give us that much respect. However, the arabs, in their islamic origin let the revenge get over the need to live, I cant understand that really.

All the pictures u see of dead ppl thrown on the street on CNN and stuff isnt because we kill them in masses, it's simply because they have very little respect for a dead body... but that's beside the point

 

the point is, israel only attacks when it needs to protect itself, not because we want revenge.

 

Exactly. Israel isnt the one going out and looking for trouble. they are simply defending and protecting themselves. Nothing evil or immoral about that. In fact they are the victims, and yet they are treated like they are evil for defending itself.

I'm not just randomly insulting you......I'm making what I think is an accurate statement. Really I am....

 

Definitions of fool.

 

FOOL: a person who lacks good judgment

.........a person who is gullible

 

It's not like I'm just using foul language at you.....I was stating a point.

 

It's ironic that u say all u say about mrcool being wrong. When they only ppl who are agreeing with ppl like u are either european or egyptian- or in other words, ppl who ARENT from isreal,and come from antisemitic countries. And their only means of knowing what really goes on here is through the media which is all one big propaganda.

I, on the other hand, who lives IN Israel, and has been expiriencing everythings directly, agree with mrcool completly and he knows what he's saying and is basing it on actual facts.

 

u my fellow, are the one that is basing your opinion simply on propaganda, and u should really stop being so arrogant

Don't tell me to grow up, just because I think your views are a result of being easily convinced by wrong information.

 

Everyone here knows I don't need to grow up and you just use this do get away from actually looking at what I said to you and doing something about it.

 

again, u are the fool that his views are being easily convinced by wrong information.

 

and again, stop being so arrogant. You dont know everything about the world- easy for u to speak when you're all the way in the UK

you're right, revenge is only natural. Actually, it's a part of islamic culture- they believe in blood vengeance u know?

That's the problem. There was relative peace for the last 4 years, that's what we want. Even if we were feeling vengeance for the hundrends of civilians that the palestinians killed in the suicide bombings during 2002, we weren't attacking because Israel doesnt care about revenge!! We'd rather feel abit mad and stay alive, I think u can give us that much respect. However, the arabs, in their islamic origin let the revenge get over the need to live, I cant understand that really.

All the pictures u see of dead ppl thrown on the street on CNN and stuff isnt because we kill them in masses, it's simply because they have very little respect for a dead body... but that's beside the point

 

the point is, israel only attacks when it needs to protect itself, not because wewant revenge.

 

 

hey

 

FRISTLY: FROM WHERE YOU KNOW vengeance natural. Actually, it's a part of islamic culture- they believe in blood vengeance?only in your mind:thinking:

and i have example for arab peaple like peace

from month or more there is two egyptian soldiers has been killed on egyptian border between egypt and israel and who did killed them someone from isreali army and isreali goverment said that we are sorry and that is misstake and we forgive for that and our goverment said ok no problem,i want to ask you question if this happened in isreal i mean some form our army killed two from isreali army what will happen????????????

and secondly : we will suppose you see your family killed and what do you will do? someone you love killed what you will do ?people everymorning you weak up and see them and saying to them good morning that all stoped in day why coz they all dead what will you suppose do ? little boy see his famly killed what he will do when he will grow up ?????????? every second will passed hate will be increased from who was killed his family if is iraelian or not no differance,there is no relationship between it and his religion . are you understand or not and plz dont talking about islam religion because you dont know it.:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

peacefull ways lol

 

I love you.

 

Anyways you're right. The only way to solve the problem here is through military means, Hizebolla will not respond to peaceful ways.

 

are isreal use peacefull ways with Hizebolla before war !!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont think so:dozey: :dozey: :dozey:

israel didnt have the chance to use peacful ways, as u call them, before the war with Hisballa because the whole thing didnt start in a peaceful way.

u should be asking the question the whole way around:

 

"Did Hizaballa use peacful ways with Israel in order to obtain its goal before attacking us?"

 

i know it sounds childish by saying "they started it", but the fact is, Hizballa is a terrorist organization that the only means they know for getting what they want is terror- violence.

 

and u may be arab, and think what u wanna think, but when it comes down to it, they wont hurt only jews to get what they want but arabs too-

 

they shot a missle at Nazerat which is an arab city in israel and killed 2 arab boys.

the fact they hide amongst civilians in lebanon shows how they just dont give a damn

 

i cant believe the arab community is so blind and naive, u only point the finger at israel because it's the easiest thing to do

hey

 

FRISTLY: FROM WHERE YOU KNOW vengeance natural. Actually, it's a part of islamic culture- they believe in blood vengeance?only in your mind:thinking:

and i have example for arab peaple like peace

from month or more there is two egyptian soldiers has been killed on egyptian border between egypt and israel and who did killed them someone from isreali army and isreali goverment said that we are sorry and that is misstake and we forgive for that and our goverment said ok no problem,i want to ask you question if this happened in isreal i mean some form our army killed two from isreali army what will happen????????????

and secondly : we will suppose you see your family killed and what do you will do? someone you love killed what you will do ?people everymorning you weak up and see them and saying to them good morning that all stoped in day why coz they all dead what will you suppose do ? little boy see his famly killed what he will do when he will grow up ?????????? every second will passed hate will be increased from who was killed his family if is iraelian or not no differance,there is no relationship between it and his religion . are you understand or not and plz dont talking about islam religion because you dont know it.:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

 

hmmmmmm "seeing my family killed"- are u forgetting where i'm from?!?!?! I bet u dont even know how many soldiers are killed by egypt, and again, the attack was provoked by the egyptian side, i'm gonna go and say what israel stands for again and again: "PEACE NOT WAR- COMPROMISE AND NAGOTIATION NOT COMPLETE DICTATION"...

heard of Gilad Shaviv?? Bet u didnt, bet they censor it in egyptian tv

 

ever hear of the suicide bombings??

if you're talking about how many families were hurt in the wars and trying to make me feel sympathetic towards egypt, you've really come to a person from the worng nation. You should really find out more before u speak...

oh, and about the stuff I know about the islamic religion, I had a billion seminars about the subject, and studied it at school and I know because after all we do live close to one another

 

didnt u eve hear a story of a muslim girl who lost her viriginity before marriage, the familied would exclude her and start a family rivalry for years. If one person kills one from another family, the other family will revenge. And it can last on and on until there's this thing call a "Sulcha"

 

again, go read alittle before u say things

oh, and about the stuff I know about the islamic religion, I had a billion seminars about the subject, and studied it at school and I know because after all we do live close to one another

 

didnt u eve hear a story of a muslim girl who lost her viriginity before marriage, the familied would exclude her and start a family rivalry for years. If one person kills one from another family, the other family will revenge. And it can last on and on until there's this thing call a "Sulcha"

 

again, go read alittle before u say things

 

Sulcha isn't even a word in arabic :rolleyes: and i should know. Your lecturers clearly had no clue what they were on about.

 

A Semite is actually anyone who speaks arabic. The word has been by changed to solely mean Jew http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_16377.shtml

So its rich that you are telling someone to read a little.

Sulcha isn't even a word in arabic :rolleyes: and i should know. Your lecturers clearly had no clue what they were on about.

 

A Semite is actually anyone who speaks arabic. The word has been by changed to solely mean Jew http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_16377.shtml

So its rich that you are telling someone to read a little.

 

lol. semite is someone of arameic decendence. so technically muslims are included too (they were jews before they were muslim). so jews have not adopted it. ur speaking crap and if you give a site link make it credible please at least wikipedia or an encylopaedia, or can you not because they are 'run by jews'

ahh I love when Nick talk out of his ass.... its such a wonderful noise..lol

 

 

 

Dude.. why can't we just respect the way they live and end all this nonsense? Why does the rest of the world have to live in democracy and westernized like us?? If they are happy the way they are... and Hezbollah provides for them more than any US govt could provide for hurricane victims.. why can't we just let them be...

 

I think Israel may have overrreacted a bit to these kidnappings.. I don't even think there was a moment of negotiations with the two sides... it was just "oh you kidnapped our soldiers.. we're going to bomb your ass now... have a nice day"...... what kind of diplomacy and democracy is that? Who is to say that what we did to Iraq... (shock and awe days) --wasn't considered terrorism to the people of Iraq?? I mean seriously... its all done to instill 'fear' of those who oppose the change, right?

 

I think the word 'terrorism' gets thrown around waaaaaaaaaaay too much.. and thats exactly what the govt. wants... to instill fear. Period.

 

Did anyone watch the CNN special like I suggested??? Yeah... didn't think so. :\

AGAIN...

 

PLEASE TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER.. IF WE CAN'T HAVE CIVILIZED DISCUSSIONS ON THE MATTER.. i WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE OPPROPRIATE ACTION AND CLOSE THE THREAD...

 

KEEP THE OFFENSIVE INSULTS TO A MINIMUM, IF NONE AT ALL..

 

THANKS!

i know we should be respectful and all that... but what is one supposed to do when they are being attacked. in the case of this thread everyone should have the right to voice their opinions as long as no personal insults are present eg in relation to jews/muslims etc... thats just my thoughts.

 

*new topic*

i just don't think hypocrisy is fair where those who 'believe' western news are wrong, when there are those who staunchly believe in other forms of information should be told they are wrong for believing in what they hear. its just not balanced or fair. everyone should have the right to believe what they want. in regards to the whole hizbolla thing about supporting their community, has no one here studied international politics? the only reason an organisation supports is in the hope that support is reciprocated. this is also the case with the usa in israel, no denying that, but behind the lovey dovey support there are more sinister motives, in hizbolla's case the destruction of israel.

ahh I love when Nick talk out of his ass.... its such a wonderful noise..lol

 

 

 

Dude.. why can't we just respect the way they live and end all this nonsense? Why does the rest of the world have to live in democracy and westernized like us?? If they are happy the way they are... and Hezbollah provides for them more than any US govt could provide for hurricane victims.. why can't we just let them be...

 

I think Israel may have overrreacted a bit to these kidnappings.. I don't even think there was a moment of negotiations with the two sides... it was just "oh you kidnapped our soldiers.. we're going to bomb your ass now... have a nice day"...... what kind of diplomacy and democracy is that? Who is to say that what we did to Iraq... (shock and awe days) --wasn't considered terrorism to the people of Iraq?? I mean seriously... its all done to instill 'fear' of those who oppose the change, right?

 

I think the word 'terrorism' gets thrown around waaaaaaaaaaay too much.. and thats exactly what the govt. wants... to instill fear. Period.

 

Did anyone watch the CNN special like I suggested??? Yeah... didn't think so. :\

 

 

 

"oh you kidnapped our soldiers.. we're going to bomb your ass now... have a nice day"......

Ok.. what you said, I don't know if to cry or to laugh. We don't work that way, that's a proof of the way the world thinks about Israel!!

We only want peace, you people don't get it. Hizballa is a TERROR ORGANIZATION!!! They do NOT want peace, we can't talk to them. If we won't do something now, there won't be any gurantee the won't kidnap more of our soldiers whenever they want!! We don't want that war in Lebanon!! Really we don't!! We only want to live quietly here in Israel without missles everyday and our soldiers dying!!

We do not want to kill any Lebanese civillians!! The problem is that the Hizballa is shooting missiles from civiliian cities and we try very hard not to hurt civillians..

Please read this..

matan when do you go to tzahal?

"oh you kidnapped our soldiers.. we're going to bomb your ass now... have a nice day"......

Ok.. what you said, I don't know if to cry or to laugh. We don't work that way, that's a proof of the way the world thinks about Israel!!

We only want peace, you people don't get it. Hizballa is a TERROR ORGANIZATION!!! They do NOT want peace, we can't talk to them. If we won't do something now, there won't be any gurantee the won't kidnap more of our soldiers whenever they want!! We don't want that war in Lebanon!! Really we don't!! We only want to live quietly here in Israel without missles everyday and our soldiers dying!!

We do not want to kill any Lebanese civillians!! The problem is that the Hizballa is shooting missiles from civiliian cities and we try very hard not to hurt civillians..

Please read this..

 

 

 

i'm sorry but the bombings Israel is doing doesn't work. The Hizballa rocket launchers aren't in the middle of the cities. Israel knows that, they just want to break the spirit of the people. This is probably a good tactic to make it easier to invade Lebannon but Israel will never be able to destroy Hizballa by bombing civilians.

I said it before and I'll say it again, they are creating a hate against themself and that hate will make sure that Hizballa will always have new martyrs to attack Israel.

 

The rocket launchers just can not be placed in the middle of a city! they are in the mountains and woods of south-lebannon. Everybody knows that, Israel does, US does, UN does ...

have you seen the rockets or something, or in with hizbolla or working for mossad? because they will be the only ones who know where the rockets are located. ive seen on the news, they are'nt that large the rockets, there is no reason that they could not be fired from civilian areas.

So taking an objective stance saying that Israel is just as wrong as Hezbollah in this whole thing is anti-semitic? :rolleyes:

no, not acknoweledging hizbolla has commited a crime and blaming israel is anti semitic, but thanks now that you have attributed blame to hizbolla...

matan when do you go to tzahal?

 

 

I am going to Tzahal in the next 2 months..soon

LIES??? YOU THINK THAT I WOULD LIE ABOUT A BUS EXPOLIDING ONE KILOMETER FROM MY HOUSE AND KILLING 14 YEAR OLD KIDS ON THE WAY TO SCHOOL!!!

DON'T YOU EVEN DARE GO THERE BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES ME HEAT UP IS WHEN PEOPLE LIKE U, WHO DON'T LIVE HERE AND DONT KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE START JUSTIFING WHAT THE PALESTINIANS DO BECAUSE THEY CLAIM THE "DESERVE" THIS LAND, OR NOT ONLY JUSTIFY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE BUT DENY IT!!! I REALLY HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO SAY TO YOU, OR PPL LIKE YOU. YOU'RE SO SMALL TO ME, NOT EVEN WORTH MY NERVES OR MY TIME. SERIOUSLY, YOU CAN JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF OR SOMETHING, DONT INVOLVE YOURSELF IN THINGS THAT DONT CONCERN U

 

OH, AND YES!! IT IS A CIVIL DUTY, SINCE WE'RE BEING FUCKING ATTACKED ALL THE TIME, AND YEAH, IF I WANNA STAY ALIVE WE NEED TO GO TO THE ARMY AND FIGHT FOR OUR POSSTION. IM SORRY U FEEL SAFE WHERE U ARE AND U DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT

!!!!!!

 

Hey,hold on

I see you very nerves and plaase don't talk to me like this again

 

I refuse any act againist civilians,but remember that who go and explode himself.He have no chance left to do and he very hopeless.He see his people killed everyday kidnaping and raping.So what you wait from him

 

When one Israeliy soldier kidnaped,Israel kill and kidnaped hundreds,so it's good for Israel bad for Palestine

 

I also remember waht Israel did with Egypt and you say this things didn't concern me [ you must be kidding ]

 

If you come and take my house waht you wait from me to do [clapping ]

Ofcurse I will try to bring back my home and I will never let you even sleep

i'm sorry but the bombings Israel is doing doesn't work. The Hizballa rocket launchers aren't in the middle of the cities. Israel knows that, they just want to break the spirit of the people. This is probably a good tactic to make it easier to invade Lebannon but Israel will never be able to destroy Hizballa by bombing civilians.

I said it before and I'll say it again, they are creating a hate against themself and that hate will make sure that Hizballa will always have new martyrs to attack Israel.

 

The rocket launchers just can not be placed in the middle of a city! they are in the mountains and woods of south-lebannon. Everybody knows that, Israel does, US does, UN does ...

 

 

 

Ok do you have any relations there that you know where the rockets are launched from??

And I am not talking only about the rockts, the Hizballa people are hiding in civiliian territories and we want to find them too. Israel can't just destroy all the rocket launchers because it's not possible!! We have to destroy all the hizballa buildings and stuff.

If they will accept to be anarmed, we would stop that fighting I am sure

have you seen the rockets or something' date=' or in with hizbolla or working for mossad? because they will be the only ones who know where the rockets are located. ive seen on the news, they are'nt that large the rockets, there is no reason that they could not be fired from civilian areas.[/quote']

 

 

then how comes that a few days of bombing have no result ? there are still just as much rockets as in the beginning. Even for small rockets you need a big base to fire them. It is possible to hide them in cities but the bombings didn't decrease the ammount of rockets so i doubt it.

You're not worth arguing with. :rolleyes:

 

You saying that because you havn't anything to say