sorry for the language but i think that is bullshit. Muslims are all over the world' date=' do they mind that i'm not praying to Mekka 5 times a day ? do they mind we have churches next to their mosque ? Hell no, we have our religion, they have theirs and we live next to eachother peacefully. They have shops and restaurants for themself, so have the jews in Antwerp (one of the biggest jewish cities together with New York, Jerusalem and Syndey). Those jews don't mind that the shops are open on saterday.[/quote']

 

again, remember ww2? After the holocaost everyone understood the the jews NEED their own country, it wont work any other way. Antisemitism has been in the world since the beginning of time, and it's only spreading more. As we get furthur and furthur away from the 1940s ppl keep forgetting what had happenned. And I believe Israel is a promise that that will never happen again

Palestinaians want get back there lands and rule it' date='there are big differ from this two situation[/quote']

 

so did we. In hebrew there's a saying called "the yearning for Zion". All the time when the jews lived in the exile (translated from hebrew??) there was always a yearning to get back to zion, to israel. We say so every passover "next year in jerusalem". So why do u think there's a big difference between the 2 situations?

 

and all that I said about israel being a jewish country, I was trying to emphasise the fact that it's the ONLY jewish country. However, there are other muslim countries and chrisitan countries. So it's easy for u to say when u do have somewhere to go, where u definetly wont be persecuted for being who u are

again' date=' remember ww2? After the holocaost everyone understood the the jews NEED their own country, it wont work any other way. Antisemitism has been in the world since the beginning of time, and it's only spreading more. As we get furthur and furthur away from the 1940s ppl keep forgetting what had happenned. And I believe Israel is a promise that that will never happen again[/quote']

 

Who make the Holocoast and the Anti-semitism already died,so there is no reasons to make private country

what? i dont understand what you're trying to say

 

if i understood u correctly, havent u ever heard of neo-natzis? and if I reallu understood u correctly, that's the most ignorant sentence I have heard in all my life

i have to go pick up my brother from work, but i'll reply when i get back.

It saddens me that this conflict is making ppl from all over the world to have such a strong opinion about this issue when they dont even live here. That's why alot of the time there's no other option to point at but antisemitism.

It also saddens me that debating this doesnt seem to be getting either side to any understanding or change in opinion... so what's the point

 

anyway, i'll be back later. bye

so did we. In hebrew there's a saying called "the yearning for Zion". All the time when the jews lived in the exile (translated from hebrew??) there was always a yearning to get back to zion, to israel. We say so every passover "next year in jerusalem". So why do u think there's a big difference between the 2 situations?

 

and all that I said about israel being a jewish country, I was trying to emphasise the fact that it's the ONLY jewish country. However, there are other muslim countries and chrisitan countries. So it's easy for u to say when u do have somewhere to go, where u definetly wont be persecuted for being who u are

 

At first the yearning for Zion is a lies [ Jews leaders made this for there greedy invasion]

 

It's not our fault that Jews are minority in the world

"oh you kidnapped our soldiers.. we're going to bomb your ass now... have a nice day"......

Ok.. what you said, I don't know if to cry or to laugh. We don't work that way, that's a proof of the way the world thinks about Israel!!

We only want peace, you people don't get it. Hizballa is a TERROR ORGANIZATION!!! They do NOT want peace, we can't talk to them. If we won't do something now, there won't be any gurantee the won't kidnap more of our soldiers whenever they want!! We don't want that war in Lebanon!! Really we don't!! We only want to live quietly here in Israel without missles everyday and our soldiers dying!!

We do not want to kill any Lebanese civillians!! The problem is that the Hizballa is shooting missiles from civiliian cities and we try very hard not to hurt civillians..

Please read this..

 

 

don't misunderstand what I am trying to say here... I think bombings from either side is wrong.... I don't agree with needless violence.... and I wish we could all just come to a peaceful agreement. What I meant by that comment was simply a paraphrase... I haven't heard of any type of talks taking place after the kidnappings.... this is why I made that assumption and paraphrase.... It was not meant to be taken so literal.. so I guess you could laugh at it-- but it really isn't a laughing matter.

 

I meant no disrespect.. apologies if I did. :(

what? i dont understand what you're trying to say

 

if i understood u correctly, havent u ever heard of neo-natzis? and if I reallu understood u correctly, that's the most ignorant sentence I have heard in all my life

 

No friend,the Holocaust is a reason for Israel to do what they want

 

I think the neo-nazist didn't make a threat for the Jews

 

It just a propaganda

At first the yearning for Zion is a lies [ Jews leaders made this for there greedy invasion]

 

It's not our fault that Jews are minority in the world

 

thanks alot, that's very respectful of u... (-_-)

No friend,the Holocaust is a reason for Israel to do what they want

 

I think the neo-nazist didn't make a threat for the Jews

 

It just a propaganda

 

you're just ignorant. And it's easy to speak when you're not the one that may be affected.

Plus, I dont think we need an excuse to have out own county, I think it's our right as a nationality. And the UN ageed, so your words dont mean much to me

don't misunderstand what I am trying to say here... I think bombings from either side is wrong.... I don't agree with needless violence.... and I wish we could all just come to a peaceful agreement. What I meant by that comment was simply a paraphrase... I haven't heard of any type of talks taking place after the kidnappings.... this is why I made that assumption and paraphrase.... It was not meant to be taken so literal.. so I guess you could laugh at it-- but it really isn't a laughing matter.

 

I meant no disrespect.. apologies if I did. :(

 

and after we make this wonderful peace agreement, we can all wear pink tutus and dance around on the clouds. :rolleyes:

you're very naive. Remember what happenned in Oslo in 1993. There was a so called peace agreement, but that didnt really last. Arafat and Rabin actually got a nobel award for that agreement!!

This time we're talking about the Hizballa, a terrorist organization- u really think it's possible to have adiplomatic nagotiation?!?

if u do, u are very very very naive.

again, u are the fool that his views are being easily convinced by wrong information.

 

and again, stop being so arrogant. You dont know everything about the world- easy for u to speak when you're all the way in the UK

 

Oh be quiet.....

 

arrogant? me?

 

How has knowing the truth and not just lapping up the propaganda become arrogance?

 

Your exactly the same as the Americans who don't believe what your governments are doing and how the agenda was written years ago.

 

And this "easy for u to speak when you're all the way in the UK"......really shut up.

That's a not sensible comment.

 

I'm getting sick of this. Stupid people in large numbers.

 

I'm not like this normally (as people will tell you) but it's getting ridiculous.

again' date=' remember ww2? After the holocaost everyone understood the the jews NEED their own country, it wont work any other way. Antisemitism has been in the world since the beginning of time, and it's only spreading more. As we get furthur and furthur away from the 1940s ppl keep forgetting what had happenned. And I believe Israel is a promise that that will never happen again[/quote']

 

 

the jews in Antwerp or New York or Sydney are not being killed or anything. They live peacefully with the other religions, they absolutely don't mind that we have another religion with other habbits and other believes.

And you said it yourself. We should stop living in the past. The jews have their own country and it doesn't work out, find a solution and stop hiding behind the holocaust, you can't justify all the jewish doings by saying 'remember the holocaust'. The jews that are not living in Israel have no problem at all.

the jews in Antwerp or New York or Sydney are not being killed or anything. They live peacefully with the other religions, they absolutely don't mind that we have another religion with other habbits and other believes.

And you said it yourself. We should stop living in the past. The jews have their own country and it doesn't work out, find a solution and stop hiding behind the holocaust, you can't justify all the jewish doings by saying 'remember the holocaust'. The jews that are not living in Israel have no problem at all.

 

 

Ok 2 things:

1. The jews around the world do suffer from anti-semitic!! I hear a lot of times of burnings Temples(of the jews), jews graveyards...

2. Who spoke about not having the jew country-Israel. It's a fact and accept it!!

We want to live in peace with our Arab neighbours but they(and you people) don't understand it...

i'll answer:

 

1. the last burnings of jew properties in belgium was in the '80s.

2. I do inderstand that you want to live in peace but you have to understand that the arabs see you as the invaders. The enemie who took their land away. That's how they see you and i don't think they'll stop bothering you before they got you out of Israel.

 

don't get me wrong, i do NOT support the arabic terrorists. Neither do i support the Israeli. This is just how i see the situation.

i'll answer:

 

1. the last burnings of jew properties in belgium was in the '80s.

2. I do inderstand that you want to live in peace but you have to understand that the arabs see you as the invaders. The enemie who took their land away. That's how they see you and i don't think they'll stop bothering you before they got you out of Israel.

 

don't get me wrong, i do NOT support the arabic terrorists. Neither do i support the Israeli. This is just how i see the situation.

 

 

Ok..I can understand that.

But at least you are not like some other people here.. that support the arabic terror!!and the killing of the Israeli civillians..

hell no, of course i don't support Hizballa all though i think they're not all the same as a terror group. I don't think a terror group would organize a real war like that. I think they'd strike once really hard and disappear but anyhow i don't support them and the killing of the Israeli civillians

 

but i also don't support the Israeli bombings and the killing of the Lebanon civillians.

Oh be quiet.....

 

arrogant? me?

 

How has knowing the truth and not just lapping up the propaganda become arrogance?

 

Your exactly the same as the Americans who don't believe what your governments are doing and how the agenda was written years ago.

 

And this "easy for u to speak when you're all the way in the UK"......really shut up.

That's a not sensible comment.

 

I'm getting sick of this. Stupid people in large numbers.

 

I'm not like this normally (as people will tell you) but it's getting ridiculous.

 

you're the sort of person who thinks that their opinion is the right and see other people as stupid if they disagree. You just said it yourself. To me that's arrogance.

and it also seems like u think u know everything about anything. Well newsfalsh- you dont!

hell no, of course i don't support Hizballa all though i think they're not all the same as a terror group. I don't think a terror group would organize a real war like that. I think they'd strike once really hard and disappear but anyhow i don't support them and the killing of the Israeli civillians

 

but i also don't support the Israeli bombings and the killing of the Lebanon civillians.

 

no one supports war- that's not something that anyone wants.

But sometimes it inevidble, as much as ppl wanna have this dream of how the world should be run. The reality is different

and after we make this wonderful peace agreement, we can all wear pink tutus and dance around on the clouds. :rolleyes:

you're very naive. Remember what happenned in Oslo in 1993. There was a so called peace agreement, but that didnt really last. Arafat and Rabin actually got a nobel award for that agreement!!

This time we're talking about the Hizballa, a terrorist organization- u really think it's possible to have adiplomatic nagotiation?!?

if u do, u are very very very naive.

 

 

was there or wasn't there negotiation talks??? ... thats all I am saying. Naive is a state of mind.. one to which I'm not enlightened to ne in... you perhaps have a different approach to this topic being as you are living it.. I don't have such a right. However.. it is a public forum so I can draw my own conclusions based on what I read and see on tv and such.

 

.... I'll ask you this, what caused them to back out last time this occured.. Hezbollah was still running around with the same antics... I'm asking because I don't know... educate me.

 

as I have said before.. I'm not taking sides here... I have no right to..

^ that (what Green Eyes 88 said) is so true. If only the extremists at both sides would just kill themself together but no. They're letting others fight for them and that way this war will never really be over.

was there or wasn't there negotiation talks??? ... thats all I am saying. Naive is a state of mind.. one to which I'm not enlightened to ne in... you perhaps have a different approach to this topic being as you are living it.. I don't have such a right. However.. it is a public forum so I can draw my own conclusions based on what I read and see on tv and such.

 

.... I'll ask you this, what caused them to back out last time this occured.. Hezbollah was still running around with the same antics... I'm asking because I don't know... educate me.

 

as I have said before.. I'm not taking sides here... I have no right to..

 

well, the oslo agreement was an agreement that was made between the Ashaf, which is another organization that represents the palestinians that wants israel out, and between the israeli government. It's the exact nagotiation that everyone keeps talking about. The agreement had things to do with land, financial co exsistence, the promise on Ashaf's side not to use any terror and to promise peace and security in israel. Israel promised an autonomy for the palestinians in their territory (gaza strip..), and that still holds on today. They have Abu Mazen as their leader. But the promise for no terror and violence didnt really work out as you see- you give them a little and then they only want more. That's why nagotiating doesnt seem to work.

This whole war started with hizaballa attack in the north of israel when they killed 8 ppl (before that there were also kidnappings of some soldiers). It doesnt seem like they were talking in terms of peace to begin with.

 

and as I said, hizballa is a terrorist organization. I've never heard of a terrorist organization willing to make diplomatic nagotiations. It's always all or they use force. And obviously Israel wont give up all our lands and our homes. And fighting back is simply what we have to do

well, the oslo agreement was an agreement that was made between the Ashaf, which is another organization that represents the palestinians that wants israel out, and between the israeli government. It's the exact nagotiation that everyone keeps talking about. The agreement had things to do with land, financial co exsistence, the promise on Ashaf's side not to use any terror and to promise peace and security in israel. Israel promised an autonomy for the palestinians in their territory (gaza strip..), and that still holds on today. They have Abu Mazen as their leader. But the promise for no terror and violence didnt really work out as you see- you give them a little and then they only want more. That's why nagotiating doesnt seem to work.

This whole war started with hizaballa attack in the north of israel when they killed 8 ppl (before that there were also kidnappings of some soldiers). It doesnt seem like they were talking in terms of peace to begin with.

 

and as I said, hizballa is a terrorist organization. I've never heard of a terrorist organization willing to make diplomatic nagotiations. It's always all or they use force. And obviously Israel wont give up all our lands and our homes. And fighting back is simply what we have to do

 

its a mad world...

 

all I can say is... there has to be a 'happy medium' (so to speak).. in which we could all just accept one another as is... and just live. :( I hate to see all this hate.. all the unecessary violence and killings, bombings, poverty etc. Its just a mad mad world.

 

.. oh and thank you green eyes for educating me.. ;) this is one issue I am only recently getting information and knowledge on.. any and all information is much appreciated.

are isreal use peacefull ways with Hizebolla before war !!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont think so:dozey: :dozey: :dozey:

 

why would they? peaceful ways do nothing with terrorist groups.

Kinda reading the comments and such, makes me wonder why are the Jews hated so much as the Nick claims.Personally I'm indiferent about things concerning Jews(except for the circumsticion, but that's as far as it goes), mostly because I never met any(not that I know of) except on the internet.

And I belive self determination is a right of every ethnic group, but there are groups today that don't have their nation state, such as kurds and native indians.