likewhat happened in holocuost when someone bring to us evidences and you said to him its lies that coz you dont know true i mean your brain has been cleaned not washed

it'was in page no 113

once like you what i expected from him ...nothing but more you hated arab ppl and muslims like i see and all can see so if you can igenore all arab world you will do it.

 

once again you jump the gun. i have many muslim and arab friends...its not about hating a race or religion. get your facts straight. i love my muslim and/or arab friends like brothers. hell their nicer then most the white people i know.

likewhat happened in holocuost when someone bring to us evidences and you said to him its lies that coz you dont know true i mean your brain has been cleaned not washed

it'was in page no 113

 

 

see i dont go by emotions or preconceptions or how many people believe it..

 

i go by facts, logic and or common sense.

 

the facts,history and alot of proof PROVE the holocaust happens...so unlike i learn things for myself from research and follow the facts.

huh

 

see i dont go by emotions or preconceptions or how many people believe it..

 

i go by facts, logic and or common sense.

 

the facts,history and alot of proof PROVE the holocaust happens...so unlike i learn things for myself from research and follow the facts.

you make me laugh coz he was bring to you evidence and facts form history but you didt believe him.coz you belive by its happened,,,just its need somone have a mind to thinking about it so after thinking he will konw its fake...

evidance and facts in last page

So where is the evidence that the holocaust never happened?

 

Theres a staggering amount of proof that the holocaust happened.

 

theres also alot of proof that all religion is phoney as well - No God, no jesus, no mohammed, no budda.

You've got it backwards...and all the evidence shows that you do.

 

Ever heard of the six day war? The attrirtion war 1968-1970?, Yom Kippur? god knows how many suicide bomb attacks.

 

thats why we have to support Israel.

 

Its Israel Vs an Arab World who would love to destroy Israel and Jews.

 

If we didnt support Israel then who knows how many people would die.

 

It'd probably make the current conflict in Lebabon look like a classroom spat.

you make me laugh coz he was bring to you evidence and facts form history but you didt believe him.coz you belive by its happened,,,just its need somone have a mind to thinking about it so after thinking he will konw its fake...

evidance and facts in last page

 

what evidence he is yet to prove me anything.

 

he doesnt even know the history of HIS OWN nation, let alone the world. i know more about his countries history then he does....

[The] Koran describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e. killing the prophets of Allah, corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the people’s wealth frivolously, refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness…only a minority of the Jews keep their word….[A]ll Jews are not the same. The good ones become Muslims, the bad ones do not.

 

 

* Koranic verses labeling Jews as malevolent enemies of Islam (5:82); disobedient slayers of their own prophets who suffered justifiable abasement (2:61), including, for some, transformation into apes and swine (5:60);

* the canonical hadith (Sahih Muslim Book 026, Number 5431), and accounts provided by early Muslim biographers of Muhammad (such as Ibn Sa’d, below), that the Jews caused Muhammad’s protracted, excruciating death from poisoning:

 

“The Jews discussed about poisons and became united in one poison. She [a Khaybar Jewess, Zaynab Bint al-Harith] poisoned the goat putting more poison in the forelegs.. Allah’s Apostle took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth…Allah’s Apostle sent for Zaynab [and]…handed her over to [those] who put her to death…Allah’s Apostle lived after this three years, till in consequence of his pain he passed away. During his illness he used to say: I did not cease to find the effect of the poisoned morsel I took at Khaybar…”

So, if you want to use the reasoning who originallyowned the land is the rightful owners then the jews are the owners and israel has a right to exist.

 

Lets look at history

 

The Caaninites were the earliest people in the region of modern day israel, lebanon and a few others places. they founded many cities such as Jericho and Jerusalem. Those cities were conquered and alot of their land by the jews after leaving Egypt. other parts of the Caaninite lands were conquered by other groups of people invading their lands. eventually most were killed, but some survived and were sea traders and later founded the city of carthage which was later destroyed by rome, thus almost all Caaninites were killed off. so the only people around in the world today with the oldest claim to israel are the jews. and the jews were the only group people to have a nation on that land.

 

so no matter how you look at is israel has a right to exist, if you go by the oldest owners or the legal formation of it in 1948.;)

quote=mrcool011]Or an even better one

 

most of your threads is bad and failure coz there one ppl cant read it and anther against arab and muslims by bring some word in arabic and tring to say its supporting torriest.

there is no field to comparing between talking of sadat president has been about how we can live in peace and unknown auther has writen by fake facts of history or by luck .

in your thread you be a recist coz you didt admit by plastinian nationalty,how in your thoughts you can make a peace and you didt admit by palastine so you dealing with them like a slaves and isreali a masters.

quote=mrcool011]Or an even better one

 

http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33696

 

most of your threads is bad and failure coz there one ppl cant read it and anther against arab and muslims by bring some word in arabic and tring to say its supporting torriest.

there is no field to comparing between talking of sadat president has been about how we can live in peace and unknown auther has writen by fake facts of history or by luck .

in your thread you be a recist coz you didt admit by plastinian nationalty,how in your thoughts you can make a peace and you didt admit by palastine so you dealing with them like a slaves and isreali a masters.

where are you from mrcool and i want to say something who's supporting you in this forum i thought no one........................ i was forgeted it green eyes only coz her like you i will doing vote about it soon............'and about your avatar picture its from taken series which talking about aliens is it right?

Go away if you're not willing to debate. i posted a historical claim to israel's right to the land and you say nothing about it.

 

I am not a racist. their are no such thing as palestinians they are arabs.....i have nothing against arabs. so please back your pathetic shit up or go away.

Why Bush will Choose War Against Iran

 

RAY CLOSE

Former CIA analyst | August 26 2006

 

Like many people, I find it extremely difficult to believe that President Bush could actually do anything so crazy as to launch a military attack against Iran, and that even if he wanted to, the Congress, the Pentagon, and the American public would ever countenance such action. But I remember in the spring of 2002 writing a "Dear Friends" memo just like this one predicting that the apparent intentions of the Bush Administration to invade Iraq would certainly turn out to be nothing but a bluff, and supporting that assertion by listing all the reasons why actually doing so would lead to utter disaster. Many of my friends told me at the time that I was missing the point --- regime change was DEFINITELY going to happen, and I was exaggerating the downside consequences. The problem is that today the downside risks of attacking Iran seem even more horrendous ---- and yet? (As George Will said last Sunday to George Stephanopoulos -- "When was the last time this president ever worried about getting approval in advance from the Congress or the public?") It makes me nervous when my president truly believes he is carrying out the will of God. (comment: which is all a fraud - the will of Molech, yes)

 

So this is why I reluctantly believe today that Bush will indeed launch an attack on Iran before the expiration of his term of office:

 

1. As expected, Iran has offered to enter negotiations, but has rejected the precondition that they discontinue uranium enrichment. Iran will continue to stall indefinitely in the expectation that the U.S. cannot summon the international political and economic clout to damage Iran to any critical degree in the near future. Meanwhile, Iran remains totally and sincerely convinced (with ample justification) that the U.S. is committed to overthrowing the Teheran regime on the tactical level, and waging a broader war against Islam on the strategic level. Rightly or wrongly, Iranian leaders interpret Israeli-US joint collaboration in Lebanon as the final proof of both suspicions. Nothing will shake that conviction. We can huff and puff, but the reality is that we will not succeed in either persuading or intimidating the Iranian leadership into doing what we want them to do. This is the nub of the problem in Washington: none of the principal decision-makers --- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or Rice --- (even Rice!) --- understands and accepts this simple reality, and so all the expectations and calculations that go into the formation of U.S. policy start from a faulty premise.

 

2. The U.S. will fail to get the UNSC to establish (and then enforce) a regimen of sanctions that Washington considers tough enough --- despite the unanimous concern of the larger powers, including China and Russia, that a nuclear Iran would be undesirable. The Bush Administration will fulminate about weakness of resolve and false friendship of its "allies", but this will only exacerbate the divisions and further expose the enfeebled state of American political and moral leadership and the deterioration of its international credibility. Iran will watch this soap opera, smiling like a Cheshire cat.

 

3. Whatever sanctions are eventually applied will have zero chance of persuading Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions; most certain is the fact that Iran will continue its development program without any slowdown until it has passed the US-Israel "red line" of possessing the necessary raw material to produce a nuclear bomb whenever it chooses to do so. (As we all know, possession of an operational bomb may be as much as a decade or more in the future, but the "red line" of achieving all the necessary technology, equipment and ingredients could be crossed MUCH sooner than that --- and almost certainly before Bush leaves office in January 2009.)

 

4. So this is the calculus facing Bush:

 

a. He has vowed that he will not leave office without first ensuring that Iran cannot become a nuclear power. He has probably given the leaders of Israel a similar promise --- privately and perhaps explicitly. That means that he is effectively committed to attack Iran militarily before January 2009 if all other means of accomplishing the objective fail --- which they will. He believes deeply that Iran poses an existential threat to our ally Israel and an extremely dangerous threat to the American people, as well. Bush also believes that Iran is determined to sabotage American hopes of establishing a "new Middle East" ---- by covert support of anti-American terrorist elements such as Hizballah and Hamas --- backed up by the added power implicit in its eventual possession of nuclear weapons. Given Bush's overarching dedication to "winning the Global War on Terrorism", the neutralization of Iran has become a sine qua non, equal if not higher on his list of priorities than "victory" in Iraq --- another impossibility that he is stubbornly unwilling to recognize, even privately --- much less acknowledge publicly.

 

b. Bush presently intends (with little faith or sincerity) to exhaust all opportunities to achieve his objectives by diplomatic means or through economic sanctions. Failing those, he will attempt to achieve his purposes by intimidation --- by raising the threat of military attack. This will only stimulate more internal support for the regime inside Iran and more international opposition to U.S. policies, especially in the Muslim world. Without question, moreover, an escalating danger of US-Iranian military confrontation will greatly intensify internal and regional opposition to US objectives in Iraq. (Note: A mystifying disconnect in logic persists on this point in Bush's mind.)

 

c. The best hope for avoidance of war with Iran (the catastrophic consequences of which are too numerous and wide-ranging even to catalog) will be opposition to the idea from the U.S. military and from American politicians of both parties who have an appreciation of the weakened state of U.S. defense forces. I am told, on the other hand, that Bush has been persuaded by some military advisers that STRATCOM (Strategic Air Command) has a workable plan for a comprehensive attack to be launched almost simultaneously against 1500 targets in Iran that will effectively prevent any Iranian retaliation, and will obviate the need for a major ground operation or post-conflict occupation. (The logic of this strategy apparently depends on the hope that destruction of Iran's nuclear potential and its conventional military capabilities in a spectacular display of shock and awe will trigger an internal revolt against the present government, with moderate pro-western elements standing ready to seize power in the name of freedom and democracy. This must be another fantasy dreamed up in the twisted minds of people like Michael Ledeen and other neocon illusionists.)

 

5. I believe that Iran wants very much to be accepted as a respected member of the community of prosperous and influential modern states. And an Iran that was indeed a trustworthy member of that community would be an enormous benefit to America and to the world. That should be the objective of American policy, therefore --- accommodating and eventually modifying the legitimate national aspirations of a self-interested and pragmatic Iran --- not launching a potentially catastrophic preemptive war against a potentially powerful and influential Muslim nation of seventy million people. Coaxing Iran down a path leading toward successful achievement of international respectability and acceptance is the single most important "carrot" that we have to offer the Iranian leadership today. The potential value of that positive incentive has been completely squandered, however, by the pointless hostility and belligerence of American "diplomatic" language --- starting with the "axis of evil" and proceeding downhill from there to the most recent offer of patently unacceptable ultimatums. This has greatly diminished our own bargaining power while making the job of arriving at a reasonable accommodation with Iran infinitely more difficult in every way.

 

6. In order of importance, however, the attraction from Iran's perspective of moving toward desired international acceptance and respectability is completely overshadowed by two other dominant factors at this time: the need to reinforce and preserve Iran's national pride (recently enhanced by the apparent success of its Hizballah surrogate in Lebanon) , and its conviction that the United States is an implacable enemy whose aggressive bullying must be resisted at all costs.

 

7. Adding up all those factors, it seems clear to me that Bush has laid out the following course for American policy, adding up to a Catch-22 from which I see no escape:

 

a. Continuing futile efforts to achieve Iranian capitulation through weak and ineffective economic sanctions, to the accompaniment of counterproductive vituperation and bombast;

 

b. Quickly followed by a period of rapidly escalating threats of military action, during which international and domestic opposition to American policy will increase dramatically, making Bush's choices increasingly more painful and difficult in every respect;

 

c. A judgment by Bush that the immediate risks and costs of preemptive military action against Iran are, in the final analysis, less formidable than the risks and costs of tolerating Iranian nuclear possession --- and the personal and national humiliation that would result from passive acceptance of that outcome.

 

d. Sometime before the end of his term, a massive air military attack on a wide range of carefully selected targets in Iran, in partnership with Israel, and against the advice of many of his advisers --- justified by the conviction that a nuclear Iran would pose an intolerable threat to American national security, firm in his faith that God agrees with him on that point, and certain that history will eventually recognize and properly appreciate his courageous and visionary leadership.

 

Ray Close was a top CIA analyst in the Near East Division

hmm chose war or let a pyscho who wants to start ww3 have nukes.....hard choice.:rolleyes:

It's not those choices.

 

That's what you've been brainwashed with.

 

I can't believe you buy that it is that simple.

 

Support this coming war and contribute to evil.

It's not those choices.

 

That's what you've been brainwashed with.

 

I can't believe you buy that it is that simple.

 

Support this coming war and contribute to evil.

 

Brainwashed? when i rely on both sides for info and make a decision using common sense its not brainwashing.

 

Evil...

 

I follow the facts, evidence and logic, my mind will change if provided enough credible evidence to do so.

 

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in a extremist cult about the 12th imam, he believes it will take a massive war and the destruction of israel to bring him out of the well. his military is not capable of such a war, but a nuclear weapons IS.

 

see logic backed with evidence

Since this nut thinks this is what Allah wants him to do and its what islam needs he's going to do EVERYTHING he can to get nukes and use them, because if not he will not being his "duty". So the only way he's not gonna get nukes in the next 10 years if someone stops him, otherwise he will not give up his duty to his extremist religion if he has the means to do what he believes is his mission in life

 

Evil would be letting him get nukes and then use them;)

 

All i ask is people use their heads follow the evidence and logic. has nothing to do with brainwashing but to do with seeing the truth. my mind changes with evidence and facts.....its called having an open mind.

The world can do nothing and let him get the nukes or do someting and stop him.

 

the only 2 options.

Brainwashed? when i rely on both sides for info and make a decision using common sense its not brainwashing.

 

Evil...

 

I follow the facts, evidence and logic, my mind will change if provided enough credible evidence to do so.

 

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in a extremist cult about the 12th imam, he believes it will take a massive war and the destruction of israel to bring him out of the well. his military is not capable of such a war, but a nuclear weapons IS.

 

see logic backed with evidence

Since this nut thinks this is what Allah wants him to do and its what islam needs he's going to do EVERYTHING he can to get nukes and use them, because if not he will not being his "duty". So the only way he's not gonna get nukes in the next 10 years if someone stops him, otherwise he will not give up his duty to his extremist religion if he has the means to do what he believes is his mission in life

 

Evil would be letting him get nukes and then use them;)

 

All i ask is people use their heads follow the evidence and logic. has nothing to do with brainwashing but to do with seeing the truth. my mind changes with evidence and facts.....its called having an open mind.

 

Shhhush.

It was the Jew's land on and off for thousands of years before the muslim religion even came into being, To say that they took the muslim holy land from them is only partially true. But when you consider the fact they built thier Mosaic on top of the ruins of the Jew's temple and the fact that it has been the Jew's holy land for thousands of years before, to me is thier own fault. In fact some would say the only reason they (muslims) claimed it for thier own was to despite the Jews.

War with Iran will be a disaster to the world. Even if he is the Arab Hitler.

Shhhush.

 

see thats brainwashing right there...perfect example. when you toss logic and evidence and facts out the window....

 

not willing to learn or change your views or listen to anyone with a different view....

War with Iran will be a disaster to the world. Even if he is the Arab Hitler.

 

True so was a war with hitler, but it has to be done...sooner rather then later.

see thats brainwashing right there...perfect example. when you toss logic and evidence and facts out the window....

 

not willing to learn or change your views or listen to anyone with a different view....

 

Your a joke.

 

and not a funny one.

Your a joke.

 

and not a funny one.

 

Be careful i work for a secret goverment group trying to take over the world and mars....we might have to pay a visit to you for saying that...:rolleyes: or maybe you can call on some alients to help you out:rolleyes:

 

but being serious be careful george bush is out to kill you...haha and you're a nut...with clear mental issues.

 

 

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