This may already have been mentioned but Everton fans were singing 'No woman no Kai' at the weekend.

This may already have been mentioned but Everton fans were singing 'No woman no Kai' at the weekend.

 

Pity Wayne wasn't there to hear it.:P

I wonder what he found to do instead........................... :rolleyes:

Haha, if you had read one of my earlier posts you would have realised that I would be satisfied with simply avoiding relegation. How is that kidding myself?

 

And I hate Sam Allardyce as much as the next football fan. I never said you shouldn't be proud of your history, I never said anything about Liverpool fans saying they will win the league (since it is simply viewing yourself as challengers which is the problem - you might have been challengers twice since the start of the Premier League).

 

As for your statement that you won't be able to challenge for years after last season, it has been the same for years. You have been challenging for second maximum for over a decade apart from a couple of times when those around you have struggled and then you got an unlikely shot at the title, which you never took.

 

What I'm talking about is that Liverpool had a team more than capable of challenging but we never took it because the team underperformed quite simply. The fact they were consistent performers in the Champions League shows that even though we've never bought in the way Chelsea and Man City have.

 

Ironic when you criticise the likes of Chelsea and Man City for spending yet Blackburn set the standard by buying the league in 1995. Yes it may be one more than Liverpool have won but at least Liverpool never came close to the humiliation of relegation like you lot did a couple of years after you won the league.

What I'm talking about is that Liverpool had a team more than capable of challenging but we never took it because the team underperformed quite simply. The fact they were consistent performers in the Champions League shows that even though we've never bought in the way Chelsea and Man City have.

 

Ironic when you criticise the likes of Chelsea and Man City for spending yet Blackburn set the standard by buying the league in 1995. Yes it may be one more than Liverpool have won but at least Liverpool never came close to the humiliation of relegation like you lot did a couple of years after you won the league.

 

I'll help you out again if you don't want to read my posts properly. I didn't criticise Manchester City or Chelsea for spending, I said that Manchester City are doing it in a way which has proved detrimental to themselves, given the high standards they now set, and I pointed out Chelsea as doing it successfully.

 

As a side note whilst we won the title because of the money we spent it was in no way near the same difference of finances that we see today. If you compare the amount that Chelsea had to spend in comparison to others when Abramovic took over, and now what Manchester City have to spend (particularly on wages) compared to others, that is a huge gulf. Compare that once again to Rovers of 1994 and other teams in the league and it simply looks silly. For example see that the season we 'bought' the league, Manchester United bought Any Cole for £7million setting the transfer record. In those years the record was broken almost every other week by at least 3 clubs, whereas now it will only be City who will be setting records for spending.

 

I would much rather have been at the top and the bottom, than never have reached the summit. And I disagree that you had a team to compete but just didn't. You've never had the squad to do it, simply a few outstanding individuals.

I still think Man City are 3-4 years behind Chelsea and Man Utd but it will happen eventually. As for Liverpool I can't see them winning the Premiership for another decade at the earliest and even then it might be a one off unless they can find similar foreign investment to City.

I still think Man City are 3-4 years behind Chelsea and Man Utd but it will happen eventually. As for Liverpool I can't see them winning the Premiership for another decade at the earliest and even then it might be a one off unless they can find similar foreign investment to City.

 

I agree with this view.

As for us I'm content with knocking seven bells out of Knob End at the Jimmy Mc end every season :lol:

As for us I'm content with knocking seven bells out of Knob End at the Jimmy Mc end every season :lol:

 

If they can stop in the league.

Also, you not gunning for promotion?

where's the fun in that? get battered by rovers twice a season or a guaranteed 6 points against PKE! Unfortunately Blackpool spoiled the party by getting promoted so we can't get 12 points a season.

where's the fun in that? get battered by rovers twice a season or a guaranteed 6 points against PKE! Unfortunately Blackpool spoiled the party by getting promoted so we can't get 12 points a season.

 

That's quite depressing. You have a better chance of stopping up every time you come up with the finances generated. Would you honestly rather see your team finish seventh, or lose in the playoffs every season than enjoy promotion and also see your team play against the best teams in England?

 

Blackpool will be back down next season don't worry haha.

The reality is we can at best hope to achieve yo-yo status (ala Bolton, West Brom, Sunderland) but it would be nice to enjoy a win or two again amongst all the drubbings. That said, my stepdad hated the anti-social kick off times and is glad that we're back in the Championship!

The reality is we can at best hope to achieve yo-yo status (ala Bolton, West Brom, Sunderland) but it would be nice to enjoy a win or two again amongst all the drubbings. That said, my stepdad hated the anti-social kick off times and is glad that we're back in the Championship!

 

Bolton and Sunderland (though they have money) are now Premiership regulars and West Brom could be the next yo-yo team to make the break through if things go well for them. You have could have over half a century to support your team in the future, would you not want to spend five or six years grafting to try and secure top flight security? If you don't make it you'll still have some memories to share with your grandchildren like the time you beat United last season.

 

I know there is nothing wrong with football outside the Premiership, I have watched Rovers there for two seasons, but I would much rather be where we are now for as long as we can, punching above our weight and pushing as far as we can. It is so much better. I preferred the relegation season to our first in the second tier.

well I don't think we have the right infrastructure yet (we still have wooden seats :laugh3:) and only capacity for 20,000. We're still a selling club. The chairman would rather be quoted in the media as saying one season in the Prem will set the club up for 10 years existence, rather than guarantee a manager a £20m spending pot. Direction comes from the top and even if the director is right about playing it safe, it will be years before we can match the exploits of Bolton, Sunderland or Rovers.

See Liverpool are the worst of the lot for thinking they are better than they actually are. I'd like to see them stay out of the top 6.

 

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I'll help you out again if you don't want to read my posts properly. I didn't criticise Manchester City or Chelsea for spending, I said that Manchester City are doing it in a way which has proved detrimental to themselves, given the high standards they now set, and I pointed out Chelsea as doing it successfully.

 

As a side note whilst we won the title because of the money we spent it was in no way near the same difference of finances that we see today. If you compare the amount that Chelsea had to spend in comparison to others when Abramovic took over, and now what Manchester City have to spend (particularly on wages) compared to others, that is a huge gulf. Compare that once again to Rovers of 1994 and other teams in the league and it simply looks silly. For example see that the season we 'bought' the league, Manchester United bought Any Cole for £7million setting the transfer record. In those years the record was broken almost every other week by at least 3 clubs, whereas now it will only be City who will be setting records for spending.

 

I would much rather have been at the top and the bottom, than never have reached the summit. And I disagree that you had a team to compete but just didn't. You've never had the squad to do it, simply a few outstanding individuals.

 

Relative to todays spending, Blackburn spent a hell of a lot back in the mid nineties. And if you took a look at the squad Liverpool had then I can't see how you can say that it wasn't good enough to compete.

 

Reina

 

Arbeloa

Carragher

Agger/Skrtel

Aurelio

 

Mascherano

Xabi Alonso

Steven Gerrard

Dirk Kuyt

Albert Riera

 

Torres

 

That was easily the strongest backbone of any team in the league. We had two good solid fullbacks in Aurelio and Arbeloa who weren't prone to fucking up. We had solid if unspectacular balance on the wings. It was perfect and as you saw at the end of the 08/09 season where the team was winning games 3-0, 4-0, 5-0, it certainly had the potential. Sadly in Benitez we didn't have a manager who looking back now didn't know how to win the Premier League and was far too defensive for his liking. Those results came too late for Liverpool that season sadly. Your best excuse for 2 seasons ago was 'we got lucky'. You don't get lucky beating Man Utd and Chelsea home and away. You have to be pretty good. Your view is just petty denial. Not a team to compete? My arse.

Relative to todays spending, Blackburn spent a hell of a lot back in the mid nineties. And if you took a look at the squad Liverpool had then I can't see how you can say that it wasn't good enough to compete.

 

Reina

 

Arbeloa

Carragher

Agger/Skrtel

Aurelio

 

Mascherano

Xabi Alonso

Steven Gerrard

Dirk Kuyt

Albert Riera

 

Torres

 

That was easily the strongest backbone of any team in the league. We had two good solid fullbacks in Aurelio and Arbeloa who weren't prone to fucking up. We had solid if unspectacular balance on the wings. It was perfect and as you saw at the end of the 08/09 season where the team was winning games 3-0, 4-0, 5-0, it certainly had the potential. Sadly in Benitez we didn't have a manager who looking back now didn't know how to win the Premier League and was far too defensive for his liking. Those results came too late for Liverpool that season sadly. Your best excuse for 2 seasons ago was 'we got lucky'. You don't get lucky beating Man Utd and Chelsea home and away. You have to be pretty good. Your view is just petty denial. Not a team to compete? My arse.

I remember a few posts ago when you were saying not many Liverpool fans believed the hype etc. Seems so long ago.

I remember a few posts ago when you were saying not many Liverpool fans believed the hype etc. Seems so long ago.

 

I said they weren't as hyped up as you alleged they were. We don't go into every season expecting to win things, thinking we're better than everyone else. But with that team we did expect to at least be competitive every year and challenge for the title. The reality was that we underperformed for the most of the time bar that one occasion under Benitez when we should have been challenging which in very large part I put the blame on Benitez. For example after a fantastic year domestically in 2005/2006 we won the FA Cup and finished a really strong 3rd with 82 points, a point behind Man Utd and 9 points behind Chelsea. That was incredible progress and an incredibly strong season by our standards. I expected them to move on from that point but we didn't as the next season we scored only 63 points. This was in large part down to Benitez refusing to play the players who did well that season and bring in crap that did nothing. Without the chopping and changing and the sheer dire quality of the majority of his signings he could have won at least one championship. But he didn't so simply Benitez failed on the domestic front.

German fans boycott game in price protest

 

15th September 2010

 

More than 1,500 Borussia Dortmund fans are expected to boycott their club’s away derby with Schalke in protest at their local rivals almost doubling ticket prices - but what might come as a surprise to many British football fans are the actual figures involved.

For one of the biggest matches in Germany, their equivalent of the Merseyside derby or the Old Firm, tickets in the standing area at Veltins-Arena, Gelsenkirchen, will come in at €22, or around £19. The reason Dortmund fans are up in arms, is the fact that Schalke are hiking ticket prices by 50 per cent as a “top-game surcharge” - tickets for the same fixture last year were only €14.30.

Dortmund fan groups have had said 'enough is enough', and a broad alliance of around 300 supporters groups called for a boycott. Under the banner of 'Kein Zwanni fur nen stehe', or '20 Euros for standing? No way' fans have rallied to the cause.

To date, around 1,500 tickets have been returned, which means that there will be visible gaps on the away terrace for one of the most anticipated games of the season.

German fans’ willingness to mobilise and challenge authority is well known, and somewhat anathema to the prevailing 'expect and accept' culture that's more prevalent in the UK. A lot of fans in the UK would see £19 to see a top flight match, and a big local derby at that, as extremely good value for money.

It is the principle of the price hike, though, and the subtle creep of price rises for tickets throughout Germany that has angered the Dortmund fans sufficiently to act. Fears are growing that moves such as this are the thin end of the wedge.

Top job would suit me - Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce

 

 

"Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce believes he is good enough to manage any of Europe's top clubs.

 

Allardyce, once a candidate for the England manager's job, arrived at Ewood Park in 2008 having survived at Newcastle for less than half a season.

 

Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

 

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

 

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

 

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

 

Allardyce has enjoyed a colourful managerial career, starting at West Bromwich as an assistant coach in 1989, before moving on to Limerick, Blackpool and Notts County.

 

He spent eight years at the helm of Bolton Wanderers before resigning surprisingly in April 2007 after guiding the Trotters to fifth spot in the Premiership and the brink of Uefa Cup qualification.

 

Allardyce took over at Newcastle a month later on a three-year contract but was in charge for only 24 matches before leaving the club "by mutual agreement".

 

He had to wait 11 months before resuming his career with Blackburn, who face Mark Hughes's Fulham this weekend with the London club just one one of five teams still unbeaten in the Premier League.

 

And with Hughes arriving at Craven Cottage for the start of the season having been sacked by Manchester City after an 18-month stint, Allardyce feels the former Welsh manager, as well as himself, has not been given time to perform with certain clubs.

 

"His Manchester City reign obviously was not long enough. A little bit like me at Newcastle, but I didn't last quite as long as Sparky though," Allardyce added.

 

"He was given the chance and unfortunately at that stage of his career they decided to have a change. You look back on it and he'll be very disappointed because they only lost two games.

 

"There's a perception that other people can do better than you, but often the reality is not the case. He decided that Fulham was the place for him, he's taken over what he's described in his own words as a very good team and he's started where they left off last season."

 

Hughes, meanwhile, believes Allardyce would be a strong candidate to be the next England boss, with Fabio Capello set to step down in two years.

 

Allardyce was pipped to the England post after the 2006 World Cup by Steve McLaren but Hughes said: "Sam's record in the Premier League stands comparison with any British, English or foreign manager at the level of the clubs he's been at.

 

"He's a successful Premier League manager and the view at this time is that England need an English manager. I also hold that view because it's important that a country is led by someone of the same nationality.

 

"Sam has made his mark in the Premier League, which is the strongest league in world football. If you can get positive results in this league you're a good manager.

 

"Whether the way Sam sets up his team lends itself to international management is a debate for another day. But certainly his record in terms of games won makes him a strong candidate."

 

Fulham's visit to Ewood Park on Saturday sees Hughes returning to the club where he spent three seasons as a player and four years as manager."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9009565.stm

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I'll have what he's having.

Top job would suit me - Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce

 

 

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I'll have what he's having.

 

Delusions of grandeur and ideas above his station?:rolleyes:

German fans boycott game in price protest

 

15th September 2010

 

More than 1,500 Borussia Dortmund fans are expected to boycott their club’s away derby with Schalke in protest at their local rivals almost doubling ticket prices - but what might come as a surprise to many British football fans are the actual figures involved.

For one of the biggest matches in Germany, their equivalent of the Merseyside derby or the Old Firm, tickets in the standing area at Veltins-Arena, Gelsenkirchen, will come in at €22, or around £19. The reason Dortmund fans are up in arms, is the fact that Schalke are hiking ticket prices by 50 per cent as a “top-game surcharge” - tickets for the same fixture last year were only €14.30.

Dortmund fan groups have had said 'enough is enough', and a broad alliance of around 300 supporters groups called for a boycott. Under the banner of 'Kein Zwanni fur nen stehe', or '20 Euros for standing? No way' fans have rallied to the cause.

To date, around 1,500 tickets have been returned, which means that there will be visible gaps on the away terrace for one of the most anticipated games of the season.

German fans’ willingness to mobilise and challenge authority is well known, and somewhat anathema to the prevailing 'expect and accept' culture that's more prevalent in the UK. A lot of fans in the UK would see £19 to see a top flight match, and a big local derby at that, as extremely good value for money.

It is the principle of the price hike, though, and the subtle creep of price rises for tickets throughout Germany that has angered the Dortmund fans sufficiently to act. Fears are growing that moves such as this are the thin end of the wedge.

 

It's a bit like what happens in the Scottish league, when Rangers/Celtic come to visit they increase the ticket prices

Delusions of grandeur and ideas above his station?:rolleyes:

 

Give him the right players and he will do well, however he plays ugly football which isn't good enough for Real Madrid

Give him the right players and he will do well, however he plays ugly football which isn't good enough for Real Madrid

 

He had a half decent bunch at Newcastle 3 years ago and he was quite simply abysmal. Newcastle were well above his abilities. There's only so much you can achieve with the style of football he plays and even if he had eleven Messi's on the field those tactics wouldn't give him trophies. He is an absolute joke of a manager and he tries to portray this image to the English media that he's some form of intelligent manager when in all honesty he's a deluded moron who isn't bright enough to form a style of football his fellow managers lay out.

He had a half decent bunch at Newcastle 3 years ago and he was quite simply abysmal. Newcastle were well above his abilities. There's only so much you can achieve with the style of football he plays and even if he had eleven Messi's on the field those tactics wouldn't give him trophies. He is an absolute joke of a manager and he tries to portray this image to the English media that he's some form of intelligent manager when in all honesty he's a deluded moron who isn't bright enough to form a style of football his fellow managers lay out.

 

His tactics belong to the dark ages.:dozey:

His tactics belong to the dark ages.:dozey:

 

Talk of him being the next England manager is offensive enough. If he WAS somehow made England manager then you could expect mass suicide from England fans. England fans have never been one to want their team to lose but I think they'd be quite happy to see the team lose if that **** was in charge!