Last Presidential Debate

[Saffire]

Obama is the opposite of a terrorist. He's a pussy who tells people whatever they want to hear to make them feel good inside. Like a nanny comforting a child. It's disgusting.

 

And Chuck, personally I enjoy seeing them tear each other up using Ad Hominems. It forces voters to figure out what's true and false about their policies and principles. Plus they're both scumbags and who better to tell us than themselves?

[chuck kottke]

:PObama is just a nice fellow from Chicago! & McCain is just a gentlemanly elder statesman from Arizona - I just can't understand where you're coming from on this, Jay...:laugh3:.

It's clear that they just fall into typical roles to win at any cost.. Yes, their behavior at times is much less than civil or what one might ascribe to as being respectable as adults; but the mud always comes out at the end. Time to take the mud pies away.;)

The block that's left at this stage are the undecided voters, so I find it sad to see the attacks and rebuttals going on and on and on.. Perhaps some voters reach for the Congressional Record or search out the facts on their true record, ideas, backers, etc., but I think most folks try and pick the person who "feels right", especially among those who decided in the last weeks of a campaign.

Now, Obama says a lot of the right things on the Obama Channel, but will he deliver against the money of the wealthy contributors, some of whom led to the problems in the first place? Same for McCain - he has a lot of the same or similar donor corporations, banks, & PAC's (wall-street firms and the like). They didn't call it Goldman Snacks for nothing!

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Well, it's just a ploy to create fear and doubt and anger in the minds of certain voters. Personally they should just ban any ads that are misleading and cause defamation of any candidate. But I was disappointed that neither of them brought that up - they refused to address the underlying problem of misleading messages, and the money that gets used to try those tactics.

 

Im not talking about any campaign saying it. I'm talking about average people discussing politics. Its not a political ploy by the McCain camp but ignorant people.

 

I was not talking about ads or on tv, but random kids I know.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Chuck, Obama is not the hope you're looking for. He's the hope fannie mae and freddie mac is looking for. He uses fake socialism, to promote corporate socialism.

 

I've yet to see you prove how Obama has done any real change or tried to in office.

 

Chuck, you have not backed up all this talk you have yet. Maybe you should be a politician?

[chuck kottke]

Perhaps I come off as an Obama supporter? Well, I think he is the better of the two front-runners, but only by a few percentages. I'm not out to prove his record of real change, but I look at the percentages of where his campaign dollars are coming from. Otherwise it is so hard, knowing the way politics works, of even discerning if someone was for or against anything, since the convoluted process of attaching riders to bills, the allocation of funds to the sector, etc. makes it difficult to see the true outcome of the legislation, or if he was involved in the process or not. I may vote for a third party candidate this time around - it's not that close anymore in Wisconsin.

But one thing I do stand for is cleaning up the process so we can tell their honest differences - by making the candidate contest fair, and ensuring all citizens have the right to vote. All we get otherwise is greased skids on bills for those who least need the help.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Yes you do, and you come off as thinking he is malleable to change more so to most politicians because of the way he talks.

 

Heres my concern, people who want a drastic change will flock to him becuase he talks of change and we'll lose even more votes for 3rd party candidates that actually would cause change.

 

You seem to think Obama can used for change, but that is not true, he is another corporate candidate. I want you to understand he stands in the way of real change, and that should make you mad as It makes me. If we are to have any real change, it won't come from him and will be stopped by him or McCain in office. Thus he must be our enemy if we are to have any change.

 

My point is the change we want politically, (not economically becuase we don't agree there too much) will not come with Obama or McCain in office, thus we have to stand against them both to fight for change. The only reason he talks like he does is because he knows most people feel the way you feel, and by sweet talking to voters like you he can trick you into voting for him.

 

McCain and Obama are the enemies of change in our nation.

[A RUSH OF VIDA]

If this is true..i really dont get why so many people support him!....Cuase i mean ALOT of celebrities support him aswel as regular people!......My brother is voting for Obama!!!! :thinking:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

People are easily fooled by a good speaker and empty promises. Were even fooled by a bad speaker with a kind face(G Bush). The media and all the money in the campaigns eliminate 3rd parties and anyone standing for change, so through the media people think they only have a choice of democrat or republican. Democrats and Republicans are the same party divided into to sections to con the two major political sides of the nation.

If one group of people want to control a large group of people with different values and ideas, you just divide and conquer. It's quite simple but also quite brilliant.

Most people don't take the time or want to, to research the parties and see how they are the same. To see how different McCain and Obama act compared to how they talk. In the end its billions of dollars and the media tricking the public.

 

To better answer your question, people support him because most of us want change. So he knows to talk about change and the change that most people want. He's just telling the majority what they want to hear, thus tricking them. It's funny that Nadar offers more of a change that his followers would want, and would actually deliver on those promises. But that is the problem, Nadar would come through with his words and that wouldn't benefit the media or the people who control the elections through billions of dollars. So Obama is a fake.

[Tnspieler1012]

Saw the debate, Mccain failed to make any real impact for the 3rd time, I think Obama has it locked up.

[A RUSH OF VIDA]

I thought McCain did a WAY better job!!!....

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I have no doubt Obama will win. He tells almost everyone what they want to hear. Like McCain tried but Obama is just more friendly.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I have no doubt Obama will win. He tells almost everyone what they want to hear. Like McCain tried but Obama is just more friendly.

[Arazmire]

Yea, Obama won the debate once again. And who is this "Joe" they keep talking about? :D

[Matter-Eater Lad]

A few days ago on the news some random guy named Joe who is a plumber asked Obama if he was going to raise his taxes since he was making a lot of money. Obama said he'd spread the wealth around.

[coldplay_is_louve.]

oh, obama won.

 

and i just wanna say.. i love how people are booing people now when mccain makes his speeches.

 

fantastic!

[chuck kottke]

Yes you do, and you come off as thinking he is malleable to change more so to most politicians because of the way he talks.

I am in support of the better choice, given the choice. Like I said, if the race isn't close, I will vote for a candidate that best represents reform and honesty, and a better path forward. All I know is where the money is coming from, and the probable outcome from that - it's a heck of a lot more telling than anything they say.

 

Heres my concern, people who want a drastic change will flock to him becuase he talks of change and we'll lose even more votes for 3rd party candidates that actually would cause change.

That's true - he presents himself as the real reformer; he may even want to make the changes he's professing, but so often the powerful interests and compromises they make can take down even those with the best intentions. But I think what has happened is as a result of George Bush's Presidency, the wars, and the huge income inequities and economic instability has created a block of voters who want to make sure we don't make that mistake again. 3rd party groups usually gain ground when there's less palpable fear in the air; and while he does have a sales pitch, it's up to the 3rd party groups to truly convince the voters that they offer the real possibility of change. Even I have a certain amount of concern that if McCain wins, his ultra-conservative and radical theocons will make mincemeat of our few remaining liberties - since his voting record has gone from "maverick" to "party devotee" in the past few years.

 

You seem to think Obama can used for change, but that is not true, he is another corporate candidate. I want you to understand he stands in the way of real change, and that should make you mad as It makes me. If we are to have any real change, it won't come from him and will be stopped by him or McCain in office. Thus he must be our enemy if we are to have any change.

I think that he may actually mean some of what he says. But the delivery part is where I'm concerned. He is less a corporate candidate than McCain is %-wise, but yes, he has a lot of big money bankrolling his campaign. But after all the market instability, even those investment firms would have a hard time selling the mistakes of the past to either of them.

And like I said, if the contest isn't close, vote your ideal. If the contest is close, go with the candidate that you think will do better than the other likely outcome. I'm just hedging my bets, and to me, that is practical.

What the President has upon entering office is a brief "honeymoon". How effectively the next President uses this time, and for what purposes will be seen. But real change can come from Grass-Roots movements, and this works effectively. That's where I'm putting my effort - into movements that transcend party lines, and get at the core matters affecting political outcomes. 3rd parties aren't the only path to real change.

[melanieau]

[Matter-Eater Lad]

He is less a corporate candidate than McCain is %-wise

 

Thats part of the strategy, to get people to think this. So the more corporate friendly people think McCain is more a candidate for them, while Obama is slightly less as bad. They are equally as bad, just divided to get both sides of the country.

 

They're banking on people thinking like you.

[Arazmire]

 

lmao

[Tnspieler1012]

Lol plumber joe was the best part. They kept on fighting over him throughout the debate, and he was the main subject of the post-debate shows and most of today's radio talk shows. The papparazzi has probably invaded his house and by now he's booked for oprah... I hope SNL does another parody because it would be a lot funnier than their last one.

[StephenG]

Why do you guys even watch these cringe worthy performances.

 

You vote for a politician to do what he says he will, you'r trusting a rich stranger who has powerful friends to do what he promises, I find it too dubous so I simply vote for an issue rather than a person. Usually the green party.

 

All politicians are twats tho, the best thing about them is the humour they can bring us.

 

 

From the guy whos pretty much going to be the new pride minister of Britain...

Friday 18th July/… In an interview published in the Guardian newspaper this week (15th July 2008), Conservative Leader David Cameron compared taking his party to a second stage of modernisation to moving beyond level one of Tomb Raider.

The Guardian revealed David Cameron compared the opening level of the original Tomb Raider to the way he’s tried to transform his party’s image. The paper said: “The first level required him to prove ‘you are a reasonable, decent, non-discriminating, sensible, practical person who understands the world as it is lived today, who wants to live in a modern world and who accepts what that means’.”

As Eidos Interactive is about to unveil the latest installment in the record-breaking series, the publisher has extended a formal invitation for the Conservative Leader to attend next week’s media unveiling at 11:00am on Wednesday 23rd July at The Hospital, Covent Garden.

“We’re delighted to hear that David Cameron is talking to today’s voters using Tomb Raider as an analogy,” says Jon Brooke, UK Head of Marketing, Eidos Interactive. “As we build up towards launch, we’d be really pleased to offer him an exclusive look at the latest Lara Croft adventure, so he can see for himself how the series has evolved – and maybe come up with some high definition political parallels. Of course, both Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg are equally welcome, provided they all sit together nicely.”

Gags and laughs, inanely.

[coldplay_is_louve.]

 

 

:laugh3::laugh3:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

:heart:obama.

[Black Rose]

We need Change...

 

*cue endless clapping from audience*

 

Change the colour of the white house to a lovely shade of yellow