I don't think it stops with UATW. Doesn't the outro to Charlie Brown end on a low C? (That's not rhetorical, I actually can't tell)

 

No it's actually an Eb, at least in the live version. :shrug:

 

Yay for having this completely divergent conversation. :lol:

Yeah I'm so bragging here. You're the one that brought up being a musician, I merely counteracted it by saying that I was one too.

 

All I was trying to say in the first place was that regardless of whether the song is good or not, the concept behind the relative key thing is clever. If you don't like the song, fine, but it doesn't affect the concept.

 

I just said that I understood what you meant, and that I don't find that relevant for the quality of Paradise as a song. That is all. I know that the song doesn't affect the concept, but neither does the concept affect the song. End of story,this is really tiring for me.

Completely agree that some songs fit better within the context of an album.... but that also doesn't make it a great song. You mentioned Kid A: Treefingers absolutely fits in the context of the album, coming directly after the emotional climax of How to Disappear Completely. But does that make Treefingers a great song? No.

 

I do see what you mean. But should we judge it as a song or an interlude? The same as whether we should judge Paradise as a hit or a chapter? I'd say it's a decent hit, and a very good chapter.

Music e minor c major e flat

 

Stop fighting with each other, you're all beautiful people. So act like it!

Completely agree that some songs fit better within the context of an album.... but that also doesn't make it a great song. You mentioned Kid A: Treefingers absolutely fits in the context of the album, coming directly after the emotional climax of How to Disappear Completely. But does that make Treefingers a great song? No.

 

ah,how to dissapear completely... <3

I do see what you mean. But should we judge it as a song or an interlude? The same as whether we should judge Paradise as a hit or a chapter? I'd say it's a decent hit, and a very good chapter.

 

Well, we've already heard the song that comes before (Hurts Like Heaven) and after (Charlie Brown). Unless there's drastic improvements on the studio versions, Paradise isn't a good interlude. To be fair, the standards are high - after all, you and I both compared it to the seamless sequencing of Kid A....

appreciate the answer. i am not very adept with muical theories either, but i think my question makes sense, so let's wait someone majored in music to answer, i guess.

 

ps:i don't think you can shift a song originally in a major key to a minor key, but let's see what others say:)

 

You most certainly can. It's used a fair bit in jazz and popular songs.

Obviously it's best to modulate into a key's relative major/minor, but other keys can be modulated into as well.

You most certainly can. It's used a fair bit in jazz and popular songs.

Obviously it's best to modulate into a key's relative major/minor, but other keys can be modulated into as well.

 

Yeah it can be easily done. I frequently play jazz (it's one form of music I pretty much live for) and it shifts between major and minor all the time. Of course it is more common to see a piece to shift from major to relative minor, here's a chord sequence example...

 

D, G, D, A, D, G, A, A, F#, F#, Bm, Bm, E, G, A, D

(comas are a bar)

If anyone bothers to play this, this is clearly a change from major (D major) to it's relative minor (B minor).

 

I'm not sure if Coldplay used this at all, but it's used a heck of a lot in pop songs, and it's one of my favs! :)

Oh come on, another thread that starts to die after I post something????

Oh come on, another thread that starts to die after I post something????

 

Lol, I'll put it in my sig because it happened the same to me -.-

haha yass, I'm in someone's sig! But yeah it's happened to me about 7-10 times! I hate it, cause you then don't know what everyone else thinks of what you say!

Oh lol

 

 

Back on topic: I know lots of songs that at first I didn't like...... at all but, after hearing them in the whole context of the album they grew on me and now I enjoy them a lot more (I really liked Paradise BTW)

I really didn't like paradise until I heard a couple of piano only versions, without all the synth it's actually a really good song.

I think you might be right. Actually, those first 30 seconds of Paradise are what I enjoy most of the song. I know Mew made a whole album (also a concept album) in which all the songs blended into eachother and it sounds great. It also adds to the feeling that the album is one whole.

 

I agree, I only like the part before any singing starts. . .

 

And No More Stories? Great album, I agree. Don't think that it's Coldplay's style though (even if they continue in this pop direction)

I don't like EMI :mean:

 

It's better than the "Universal" overcommercial!

It's because of this if the new album is with rihanna and with all of those girly things!

And No More Stories? Great album, I agree. Don't think that it's Coldplay's style though (even if they continue in this pop direction)

Oh, but I didn't mean No More Stories Are Told Today I'm Sorry They Washed Away No More Stories the World Is Grey I'm Tired Let's Wash Away, I meant And The Glass Handed Kites

:P