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[Prince Myshkin]

Cracking player. World class on his day. Had his first bad year as a footballer.

A **** though, yeah. But who cares? So was Shearer, skinny Ronaldo and Maradonna.

[Navegador]

The most overrated players I've ever seen are Beckham, Rooney, Roberto Carlos, Daniel Alves and Lampard.

[Guest howyousawtheworld]

The most overrated players I've ever seen are Beckham, Rooney, Roberto Carlos, Daniel Alves and Lampard.

 

I wouldn't call Lampard too overrated because he did and still does have that knack for scoring plenty numbers of goals from midfield. I remember the first couple of years he was in the England team he couldn't stop scoring for them. Not such a pivotal player today but 5/6 years ago he was a must have for your first eleven.

 

Beckham's an obvious choice for overrated player but he's more of an icon than a great player.

 

Apart from Rooney I would say the most overrated player I've seen is Robinho. What a shocking player he is. And I know it may sound bizarre but I think Fabregas is even slightly overrated. This season you'd be forgiven for thinking Wilshere (probably the most potentially technically and intelligent footballer produced by England in decades) was the one Barca were chasing.

[mc_squared]

I wouldn't call Lampard too overrated because he did and still does have that knack for scoring plenty numbers of goals from midfield. I remember the first couple of years he was in the England team he couldn't stop scoring for them. Not such a pivotal player today but 5/6 years ago he was a must have for your first eleven.

 

Furthermore, at least Lamps appears to have a brain, unlike Rooney. It's almost as if Rooney has modelled himself on Gazza.............................. :dozey:

[deaths_friend]

I just think Rooney's an absolute **** of a human being and an incredibly overrated footballer as well. Only the English media recognise him as 'one of the best players in the world' but in truth he isn't anywhere near that standard. Anyone who's watched him in an England shirt the past year and a half will have realised that he's a clueless nobody on the big stage. When has Rooney performed on the big stage? His performances at the World Cup were utterly abysmal and it was genuinely as though Capello had chosen a pub player for his team. He was that bad. No world class player puts in performances like that.Apart from a brief star turn at Euro 2004 he's done fuck all and has stained his reputation time and time again yet still the English media fawn over him. It's pitiful journalism. But what else do you expect from the English media?

 

He should never be given the time of day. He's done nothing as a footballer or a human to do so.

 

you're judging a player by how he plays in an england shirt? in the last 10 years who HAS played well in an england shirt? not many if you ask me. if they had then england wouldnt be as lacklustre as they have been. the truly great players are judged by how they perform for their club, week in week out. both domestically and most importantly in europe. the quality of football at an international level pales in comparison to that of club football. when rooney (or any other international rep) puts on his england shirt he is surrounded by players he sees once every few months and because his game isnt based around individual brilliance he struggles to shine.

 

using your argument cristiano ronaldo is massively overrated too. he has done jack all for portugal in his career. yet he made a mockery of the epl for 5 seasons and isnt too bad at all in spain either. overrated? only if your eyes are painted on.

 

i agree that rooney is no where near being one of the best players in the world (hardly the best in his own dressing room) but he works very very hard for his team and most man utd fans really appreciate that. even after he scored his hat trick against west ham he was still tracking back and helping in defence.

 

re his behaviour. maybe he should join his boss in the stand for a couple of weeks.

[Prince Myshkin]

You are calling Rooney for his international performances yet remember the glory years of Lampard? We are talking purely about footballers here, forget which ones are pricks and don't let that cloud your judgement.

 

Fabregas has been out through injury so of course he hasn't had as good a season as usual. Plus, in their careers players may have off seasons. As if one bad one makes them a bad or overrated player. Let's have some realism. People nowadays expect far too much, especially from the youngsters. Wilshere was awful against Blackburn, but that's because he's been playing a lot of games. He isn't ready to play a consistent season yet with internationals thrown on the side. He will be one day, but he isn't superman.

[Navegador]

I forgot a few names. Just let me update my statement: the seven most overrated players ever are Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Roberto Carlos, Daniel Alves, Robinho and Lampard.

[deaths_friend]

wtf lampard!!! he has scored over 20 goals in every season for the last 6 seasons or something!! and thats from midfield! probably one of the best penalty takers i have seen since zidane.

[Prince Myshkin]

Yeah, there is no way Lampard is an overrated player when it comes to club football.

I'm unsure why Cristiano Ronaldo made your list too.

[Navegador]

Cristiano Ronaldo is nothing but a good player. Extremely overrated.

 

wtf lampard!!! he has scored over 20 goals in every season for the last 6 seasons or something!!

Scoring a lot doesn't mean you're a good player.

[Prince Myshkin]

He was also one of the leaders of the team and had many assists.

Scoring a lot of goals doesn't necessarily make you a good player, Fillipo Inzaghi wasn't a super hero, but Lampard was a great player.

 

And Ronaldo is the second best footballer in the world.

[Navegador]

but Lampard was a great player.

 

And Ronaldo is the second best footballer in the world.

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

 

I wonder how Messi feels when people compare him to CR.

[a_face_of_light]

Well that wasn't worth the journey at all,fucking Pato:angry:.

[mc_squared]

Rooney rocked by two-game ban threat as FA get tough over striker's foul TV tirade

 

 

By Sportsmail Reporter

 

Last updated at 6:07 PM on 4th April 2011

 

 

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Wayne Rooney faces a two-match ban after the Football Association charged him with offensive, insulting and/or abusive language for his foul-mouthed tirade to a TV camera at Upton Park on Saturday.

The Manchester United striker is expected to appeal the charge after the FA decided to make an example of his irresponsible F-word outburst that was aired live on Sky Sports after the striker completed his hat-trick from the penalty spot in the 4-2 win over West Ham.

If found guilty, Rooney will miss United's league game at home to Fulham on Saturday and the FA Cup semi-final against Manchester City at Wembley on April 16.

 

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Swear box: Wayne Rooney took the shine off his hat-trick with a foul-mouthed rant directed at the TV cameras

 

The England forward issued a formal apology for his outburst, which he claimed came 'in the heat of the moment' after he completed a match-turning treble, and insisted 'was not aimed at anyone in particular'.

However, an FA statement this evening read: 'The FA has charged Manchester United's Wayne Rooney for the use of offensive, insulting and/or abusive language.

'This charge relates to an incident during his side's fixture with West Ham United at the Boleyn Ground on Saturday April 2, 2011.

'Rooney has until 6pm on April 5 to respond to the charge.'

 

 

 

In the corner: Rooney scores his first with a delightful free-kick

 

Sanctioning a player for swearing into a camera is understood to be unprecedented in English football. Chelsea striker Didier Drogba was handed a three-match ban - with a further two matches suspended - by UEFA for a similar offence during the 2009 Champions League semi-final against Barcelona but his tirade was deemed to have been directed at the referee.

There does appear to be provision for punishment in the FA's own rules about behaviour, which state: 'A participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour.'

 

 

Previous form: Rooney unleashes a tirade at Green Point stadium after England's dismal draw with Algeria

 

The Premier League's global appeal means the footage has already been aired all over the world and the sight of Rooney swearing on television has tainted the image of football in this country - a view that is not lost on the FA's top brass.

The FA are also annoyed at the timing of Rooney's rant. Just last week the Premier League revealed a new initiative to crack down on vitriolic abuse towards referees from next season, while FA chairman David Bernstein threw his weight behind Sportsmail's Stamp It Out campaign - aimed at eradicating disrespectful and intimidating behaviour towards officials.

It is not the first time Rooney has found himself in trouble for speaking into a camera. He criticised booing England fans after the dismal 0-0 draw against Algeria in the World Cup last summer and said: 'Nice to see your home fans booing you. That's loyal supporters.' Again, he later apologised for his comments.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1373289/Wayne-Rooney-charged-Sky-Sports-TV-rant.html#ixzz1IZzLDvf4

[Prince Myshkin]

One game ban would have sufficed. Two just shows they are embarrassed at not acting after the elbow.

[Guest howyousawtheworld]

you're judging a player by how he plays in an england shirt? in the last 10 years who HAS played well in an england shirt? not many if you ask me. if they had then england wouldnt be as lacklustre as they have been. the truly great players are judged by how they perform for their club, week in week out. both domestically and most importantly in europe. the quality of football at an international level pales in comparison to that of club football. when rooney (or any other international rep) puts on his england shirt he is surrounded by players he sees once every few months and because his game isnt based around individual brilliance he struggles to shine.

 

using your argument cristiano ronaldo is massively overrated too. he has done jack all for portugal in his career. yet he made a mockery of the epl for 5 seasons and isnt too bad at all in spain either. overrated? only if your eyes are painted on.

 

i agree that rooney is no where near being one of the best players in the world (hardly the best in his own dressing room) but he works very very hard for his team and most man utd fans really appreciate that. even after he scored his hat trick against west ham he was still tracking back and helping in defence.

 

re his behaviour. maybe he should join his boss in the stand for a couple of weeks.

 

No I'm using his England performances as an example of the sort of player he is. No "world class" player puts in such dire performances. Yes we've seen some poor peformances by most of the England squad but his is by far and away the worst. And as for his contributions at Man Utd - so what? His performances by and large in the champions league have had much to be desired for not least the Champions League final in 2008 where he was taken off before 90 minutes for being so ineffective. He's just a small cog in a very big machine at Manchester United. They should never be scared of selling him because they can find somethnig better quite comfortably.

[mc_squared]

No I'm using his England performances as an example of the sort of player he is. No "world class" player puts in such dire performances. Yes we've seen some poor peformances by most of the England squad but his is by far and away the worst. And as for his contributions at Man Utd - so what? His performances by and large in the champions league have had much to be desired for not least the Champions League final in 2008 where he was taken off before 90 minutes for being so ineffective. He's just a small cog in a very big machine at Manchester United. They should never be scared of selling him because they can find somethnig better quite comfortably.

 

It's his general attitude and demeanour that really let him down, though. He should be embarrassed to even be in the same team as Ryan Giggs, as he isn't fit to lick the guy's boots.

Giggs has got more professionalism in his little finger than Rooney has in his entire body.:dozey:

And say what you like about Beckham, but at least he actually learned from the mistakes he made earlier in his career and has always demonstrated immense pride in representing England, unlike Rooney, who still behaves like a ten-year-old.

[Reilly]

Rooney off scott-free

[a_face_of_light]

It's his general attitude and demeanour that really let him down, though. He should be embarrassed to even be in the same team as Ryan Giggs, as he isn't fit to lick the guy's boots.

Giggs has got more professionalism in his little finger than Rooney has in his entire body.:dozey:

And say what you like about Beckham, but at least he actually learned from the mistakes he made earlier in his career and has always demonstrated immense pride in representing England, unlike Rooney, who still behaves like a ten-year-old.

 

A rarity but I 100% agree with this post.

[mc_squared]

And by the way, this isn't about Rooney swearing per se. Of course, there are countless players who do that all the time, particularly in the heat of the moment.

This wasn't a case of Rooney being caught unawares. He actually sought out the camera and swore into it, therefore it was a deliberate act - the act of an imbecile. That's why he should be punished for it, for bringing the game into disrepute.:smug:

[Josh42]

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[deaths_friend]

rooney has a long way to go in his career. i guess we'll have to just wait and see how he does. i have no issues with rooney getting a 2 game ban. but i dont see that changing his behaviour.

[mc_squared]

rooney has a long way to go in his career. i guess we'll have to just wait and see how he does. i have no issues with rooney getting a 2 game ban. but i dont see that changing his behaviour.

 

He's had more than enough time to change his ways. He isn't a "kid" anymore. As I said, Beckham and even Giggs made mistakes when they were young (e.g. Becks in his first World Cup), but they both learned from their mistakes and turned into model professionals, respected worldwide.

Saying that, I don't remember either of them ever acting like yobs, as Rooney has, so there's a big difference in itself.:dozey:

[mc_squared]

The real obscenity is the way we indulge football's Neanderthal Wayne Rooney

 

 

By David Jones

Last updated at 8:35 AM on 5th April 2011

 

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The scene was the opulent, marbled concourse at Dubai International Airport, but at that moment we might have been in a dark back alley in a Liverpool ghetto.

 

One moment, Wayne Rooney was lazing indolently on a seat at the departure gate, his wife Coleen resting her neatly coiffed head on his meaty shoulder; the next they were advancing menacingly towards me.

 

With his Desperate Dan jaw, impossibly thick neck and veins bulging from his prematurely high forehead, Rooney might have been a boxer striding towards the ring.

 

 

Neanderthal: Thrusting his face into the lens of Sky¿s pitch-side camera, Rooney lets rip with a four-letter rant

 

Though it was only 6am, Coleen clattered along in glittery high heels, and was wearing thickly painted-on eyebrows. For a moment, they looked quite comical — but I knew better than to laugh.

 

You see, this was last October, at the height of Rooney’s battle for an exorbitant pay rise from Manchester United, and I had just written a distinctly unflattering article about their self-indulgent, chav-like behaviour while holidaying at a seven-star hotel.

 

Tellingly, perhaps, it was Coleen who led the impromptu rant that followed, demanding — in her fish-wife vernacular — to know ‘What gives youse the right to criticise us’, and challenging me to sample the ‘very ordinary’ lives they lead behind the doors of their Cheshire mansion.

 

 

 

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For good measure, she couldn’t resist mentioning the work they did for charity, and the amount of time she spent caring for her disabled 12-year-old sister, Rosie McLoughlin.

 

But when I attempted to defend my article, ‘the Big Man’, as Wayne is given to referring to himself in the Manchester United dressing-room, abruptly stepped in.

 

Maybe he’s bigger than he looks on TV, when he’s being marked by those giant centre-halves; or maybe I’m just shrinking. In any event, I found myself nose to pugilistic nose with the Croxteth bruiser — and what it felt like to be on the other end of one of his raging, foul-mouthed tirades.

 

‘Mind what you f***ing say to ’er,’ he began, jerking a thumb in his wife’s direction. Then he paused and reached for the choicest insult he could summon.

 

‘You’re just a f***ing old paedophile,’ he eventually spat, though as he and Coleen are in their mid-20s, I couldn’t quite work out why.

 

Last Saturday, millions of TV viewers recoiled in disgust as England’s finest ‘celebrated’ the completion of his match-winning hat-trick with a similar outburst of Neanderthal aggression.

 

Thrusting his face into the lens of Sky’s pitch-side camera, he let rip with a shocking four-letter rant that left millions of armchair soccer fans appalled.

 

They, at least, were able to reach for the off-button. In Dubai, there was no escape for me as the expletives flew and Rooney’s spittle flecked my cheeks.

 

For a time, I felt sure he was going to hit me, and said as much — warning him that an assault committed in the United Arab Emirates was likely to have more serious consequences than it would at Old Trafford.

 

 

Rough tactics: Rooney routinely treads on and late-tackles opponents, with an expression that suggests he has enjoyed inflicting pain on them

 

But as the red mist subsided, Rooney returned to such senses as he possesses and grudgingly allowed me to explain why I felt justified in criticising a supposedly professional sportsman for lolling around in the world’s most expensive hotel for a week, eating junk food and slurping vodka-and-tonics, while trying to squeeze yet more millions out of his employer at a time when Britain languished in recession.

 

There followed, as they say, a full and frank exchange of views.

I am as much of a starry-eyed football fan as the next man, and though I had been verbally assailed, I couldn’t resist ending by saying that I had long admired his talent, and hoped, in the second half of his turbulent career, that he would do it full justice.

 

‘Thanks very much, mate,’ said the man who, just a few moments earlier, had seemed ready to tear my head off.

 

Then, satisfied that his honour — and that of his wife — had been duly restored, off down the concourse he sauntered.

 

Down the years, I have seen Rooney lose his temper, irrationally and alarmingly, many times.

 

He rounded on England fans for booing him and his under- performing colleagues during last summer’s World Cup, failing to understand that — as the people who fund his rock-star lifestyle — this is their inalienable right.

 

Sir Alex Ferguson dug-out often sounds like a pub in Glasgow¿s East End at closing time

 

A New York photographer I know claims Rooney once emerged from his Manhattan hotel and challenged him to a street fight.

 

He routinely treads on and late-tackles opponents, with an expression that suggests he has enjoyed inflicting pain on them.

 

And not a week goes by without him screaming obscenities at referees and linesmen — in earshot of impressionable young supporters.

 

Football may be a working-class game in which emotions run high and ‘industrial language’ — to coin the pundits’ favourite euphemism — may well be an unavoidable by-product of these factors.

 

Certainly, that seems to be the case where Rooney’s manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, is concerned. All too often, his dug-out sounds like a pub in Glasgow’s East End at closing time.

 

Yet when Rooney is involved, the abuse always seems to be that bit more niggly and personal.

 

So why, with the world at his gifted feet, does he behave in such a fashion? It is a question I have pondered ever since our close encounter, and I have come to a conclusion.

 

It is not that Rooney was badly brought up — on the contrary, his family, by all accounts, did an admirable job of raising him in impoverished circumstances on a rough council estate in Liverpool’s Croxteth district. It is not that he is particularly insensitive. According to those who know him, beneath that scowling exterior, he is a bit of a softie.

 

 

Rooney is, though, deeply impressionable, immature and selfish. For that he must take the lion’s share of responsibility.

 

After all, he is, as Coleen told me when I suggested he was being badly advised, a grown man who is capable of making his own decisions. And he keeps making very poor ones, whether it’s sleeping with escort girls or shouting vile abuse at the cameras.

 

Yet we must also point an accusing finger at every fawning manager and coach, every obsequious, money-grubbing agent who has indulged him since he burst onto the scene as a teenage sensation.

 

Who cares whether his language offends mothers and small boys, and shapes their behaviour in park kickabouts, if his goals are winning you the league?

 

Who cares if he behaves as though he is suffering from Tourette’s syndrome when you are raking in a fat percentage of his £250,000-a-week salary?

 

What those who have watched him over the years point out is the stark contrast between the youthful exuberance and enthusiasm for the game Wayne Rooney showed when he first appeared as a teenager, and the bitter fury of the England superstar today.

 

It is often said by the Gary Linekers and Alan Hansens who shape public opinion on our national game, that Rooney’s aggression is an essential part of his game, and he would be a lesser player if it were curtailed.

 

Maybe they are right. But it is a price most decent, respectable fans would gladly pay to be spared the sickening outburst that violated their homes on Saturday evening.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1373452/Wayne-Rooney-The-real-obscenity-way-indulge-footballs-Neanderthal.html#ixzz1IdhYw25J

[deaths_friend]

He's had more than enough time to change his ways. He isn't a "kid" anymore. As I said, Beckham and even Giggs made mistakes when they were young (e.g. Becks in his first World Cup), but they both learned from their mistakes and turned into model professionals, respected worldwide.

Saying that, I don't remember either of them ever acting like yobs, as Rooney has, so there's a big difference in itself.:dozey:

 

well he is from liverpool............:P