Second time I've checked Coldplaying unsigned and the second time I see another comment by you towards me. You're comments deserve my attention though so it's unfair to ignore you.

 

edit: do you know what - I overreacted. Not even you deserve the list of insults I subjected to you here in this pre edited space. That said what you say in one paragraph is what intelligent football commentators can say in one sentence. So bloody obvious. I'll read your comments and think 'wow if I'm concise bullshit you are the arse spraying mayhem that is diarrhea' the sort which requires the likes of Ant and Dec and Davina McCall on Comic Relief every year to plead for money to stop it from happening to little children across the African continent.

 

So you went from insulting me, to saying what I write is the same as intelligent commentators if a bit long-winded, wow thanks. It's so fucking predictable at this point that if I say you write bullshit, you're just going to make the same point back, it's your childish knee-jerk reaction to any criticism to then call for hypocrisy. If I write bullshit you'd have no problem pointing it out (Or at least would have had before you apparently "blocked me" which you keep going on about- I don't care) but I know you're just meaninglessly spouting again, mainly because you've written both that my opinions are obvious and also that they're bullshit. That makes no sense, either I'm boring or mind-bendingly warped like yourself, I can't be both. As for the Ant and Dec stuff, are you stable?

 

Back to the mind-bendingly warped opinion that you shared, and you'd do anything to get away from talking about it (Including not standing up for it in your post). While we're on the subject of football analysts, can you imagine Gab Marcotti coming out with an article tomorrow, after everything we've seen today, writing that the pace of the Premier League as a whole should slow down? Gab- what the actual fuck? Just to put it into perspective how insanely stupid that line of thinking is.

 

well it's not just the Torres decision, its the two disallowed Everton goals a few weeks back, its the goal-that-wasn't in the QPR-Bolton game last season, it's Hernandez off side today... there's bloody loads of decisions that refs need technological help on. That said, if there weren't these talking points in games we would get pretty bored in here!

 

Yes but when Ba handles in a cross at Goodison I'm not complaining. Just being honest.

 

Though I would definitely sacrifice that for a game of thoroughly correct decisions, I do side with those who think video replays aren't quick enough and could potentially cause a LOT of hassle to get conclusive proof of some decisions from many angles. I mean it's easy 95% of the time, you only need one slow mo replay, however it's those awkward ones, did the defender get a touch on the ball? That's when players could be standing around for 5 minutes, and it would really slow things down (Although some of the people who post in here would appreciate that).

 

And well actually, even for the 95% of easy decisions, in rugby or NFL they still take a good few minutes to make it conclusive, even if it looks blatant.

So Clattenberg allegedly called Arteta a Spanish ****, technically that's racism, but if he said anything even remotely similar to Mikel, huge shitstorm is going to brew, especially in the climate right now involving Ferdinand, Jason Roberts etc.

So you went from insulting me, to saying what I write is the same as intelligent commentators if a bit long-winded, wow thanks. It's so fucking predictable at this point that if I say you write bullshit, you're just going to make the same point back, it's your childish knee-jerk reaction to any criticism to then call for hypocrisy. If I write bullshit you'd have no problem pointing it out (Or at least would have had before you apparently "blocked me" which you keep going on about- I don't care) but I know you're just meaninglessly spouting again, mainly because you've written both that my opinions are obvious and also that they're bullshit. That makes no sense, either I'm boring or mind-bendingly warped like yourself, I can't be both. As for the Ant and Dec stuff, are you stable?

 

Back to the mind-bendingly warped opinion that you shared, and you'd do anything to get away from talking about it (Including not standing up for it in your post). While we're on the subject of football analysts, can you imagine Gab Marcotti coming out with an article tomorrow, after everything we've seen today, writing that the pace of the Premier League as a whole should slow down? Gab- what the actual fuck? Just to put it into perspective how insanely stupid that line of thinking is.

 

 

 

Yes but when Ba handles in a cross at Goodison I'm not complaining. Just being honest.

 

Though I would definitely sacrifice that for a game of thoroughly correct decisions, I do side with those who think video replays aren't quick enough and could potentially cause a LOT of hassle to get conclusive proof of some decisions from many angles. I mean it's easy 95% of the time, you only need one slow mo replay, however it's those awkward ones, did the defender get a touch on the ball? That's when players could be standing around for 5 minutes, and it would really slow things down (Although some of the people who post in here would appreciate that).

 

And well actually, even for the 95% of easy decisions, in rugby or NFL they still take a good few minutes to make it conclusive, even if it looks blatant.

 

:laugh3: Exactly as I thought. Backwards and a complete failure to grasp the main point of argument.

 

What date is your thesis in tw@tology due?

 

Cue another long winded bore fest chapter.

Ah so now it's all funny after your meltdown.

Ah so now it's all funny after your meltdown.

 

Huh? No bore fest message that probably took an hour to construct, no short bursts of irritance and anger in the form of 'WHAT THE FUCK?!'. You're changing your ways. I like it. Keep it that way.

 

Thanks.

Again with the casual quips! It's like you're winking at an imaginary camera. You just keep pretending you're not bothered, until the next time you write something stupid.

well it's not just the Torres decision, its the two disallowed Everton goals a few weeks back, its the goal-that-wasn't in the QPR-Bolton game last season, it's Hernandez off side today... there's bloody loads of decisions that refs need technological help on. That said, if there weren't these talking points in games we would get pretty bored in here!

 

Contrary to what Reilly believes referees do need help from technology but they are not helped by such backward fans and football authorities saying "oh it will disrupt the flow of the game" etc etc. It's great that goal line technology is to be implemented which is a start but there's still a long way to go. Technology is a major part of pretty much every sport now apart from football. Video referees are a must but the idea that they "take too long" is laughable at best. What era of film do these people think we're living in? It works perfectly well in rugby and cricket when only the most marginal of decisions take a good few minutes to work out (take Mark Cueto's "try" in the 2007 Rugby World Cup Final as evidence which correctly was too inconclusive to be given - still it didn't take 5 minutes to decide). On the majority of occasions a decision is made within 1 to 1 and a half minutes from the moment the referee called on the video ref. For cricket it is much more swift and appropriate considering the lack of "objects" ie scrums, rucks etc' to obscure the play meaning the decision will be very swift just as football would be when it comes to tackles, offside etc. More often than not illegal tackles are easy to spot with only the rare occasion (such as Jonjo Shelvey and Jonny Evans a few weeks back) proving the exception

I love the way rugby is managed. And let's see those mic's hooked up to the TV coverage, it'll soon put a stop to swearing from players (and referees :lol:)

I love the way rugby is managed. And let's see those mic's hooked up to the TV coverage, it'll soon put a stop to swearing from players (and referees :lol:)

 

Not to mention the "only the captain can approach the Ref" rule

Contrary to what Reilly believes referees do need help from technology but they are not helped by such backward fans and football authorities saying "oh it will disrupt the flow of the game" etc etc. It's great that goal line technology is to be implemented which is a start but there's still a long way to go. Technology is a major part of pretty much every sport now apart from football. Video referees are a must but the idea that they "take too long" is laughable at best. What era of film do these people think we're living in? It works perfectly well in rugby and cricket when only the most marginal of decisions take a good few minutes to work out (take Mark Cueto's "try" in the 2007 Rugby World Cup Final as evidence which correctly was too inconclusive to be given - still it didn't take 5 minutes to decide). On the majority of occasions a decision is made within 1 to 1 and a half minutes from the moment the referee called on the video ref. For cricket it is much more swift and appropriate considering the lack of "objects" ie scrums, rucks etc' to obscure the play meaning the decision will be very swift just as football would be when it comes to tackles, offside etc. More often than not illegal tackles are easy to spot with only the rare occasion (such as Jonjo Shelvey and Jonny Evans a few weeks back) proving the exception

 

It works fine in cricket of course, and in tennis, these are non-contentious decisions, however controversy in rugby, NFL and aussie rules are frequent, and even then the decisions in those sports are usually a lot more clear cut then football. For example, use of excessive force is blatant, whereas in football the difference between a decent hard tackle and a cynical red card offence is the slight tilting back of your foot, the difference between a clear cut tackle in the box and a definite penalty can be a slight nick of the ball from the defender, and of course any decision can be all about interpretation.

 

Let's take a few examples from yesterday, did Torres get clipped before going down? I think so, just about, even that's questionable, but then did he over-react to it, did he even push his foot towards Evans looking for it, he tapped the ball way on past Evans (Often players do this when focussing on how to dive- no intention of getting to the ball instead a burst of pace to sell the fall). Even with all that, it wouldn't solve the main problem anyway- whether Torres deserved a 2nd yellow for it, which appears to be most peoples frustration. If say it went to a video ref, who decided Torres was clipped, there would be even more outrage, controversy, an appeal from United, and not necessarily any more of a justice served.

 

You can even look at something more blatant, Phil Neville's dive, clearly he reacted to a very minimal touch to his upper back/neck area, common sense tells you it's a dive, but in the world of video officiating, what were Aggers arms doing up there? It presents more problems then it solves, how many times in a match do we see someone get a slight tug on their shirt before a corner, but because it's so slight nobody picks up on it, and everyone can agree it would be a harsh penalty, but if we're following the letter of the law that's unprofessional and an automatic penalty and yellow card.

 

Those decisions would have taken at least a few minutes minimum, and you say a few minutes or even 5 minutes as if its nothing, a 5min pause in a match due to an injury usually leads to 5mins or more stoppage time at the end of a half (With the other normal pauses taken into consideration with the injury), if you consider that there would be more then a few contentious decisions in any match, which isn't rare probably at least once every weekend- it definitely wouldn't take long before the record longest Premier League match on Saturday is beaten.

 

I'm not completely opposed to the idea of technology in football, I think we've needed goal-line technology for a long time. However there is a long, long way to go before video ref's can ever be introduced, many of the rules are down to interpretation, the best example being unintentional handball, or we still see regular examples of what a ref considers inactive and then active in offside, so once we've cleared up all those messy issues once and for all, then we can start to think about actually implementing it- absolute chaos.

 

I love the way rugby is managed. And let's see those mic's hooked up to the TV coverage, it'll soon put a stop to swearing from players (and referees :lol:)

 

I don't get how the FA don't know what Clattenburg said yet, he's mic'd up the whole time.

 

Mark Clattenburg: FA investigate Chelsea claims about referee

 

The Football Association has begun an investigation into allegations made by Chelsea against referee Mark Clattenburg following Manchester United's 3-2 win at Stamford Bridge.

 

Chelsea have made a formal complaint against Clattenburg, accusing him of using "inappropriate language" towards two of their players on Sunday.

 

Part of the allegation is that Clattenburg used racial language.

 

Police say they are considering a complaint made to them.

 

Clattenburg has not been picked to officiate at a match this weekend.

 

A statement from referees' body the Professional Game Match Officials board read: "PGMO believe that with any football match the focus should not be on the officials but on the players and the game itself.

 

"Mark Clattenburg is one of the elite referees in world football and, in these circumstances, the intense level of scrutiny would detract from the match and be unfair to the clubs and the supporters of both sides."

 

The FA issued a statement on Monday confirming it has launched an investigation, adding it will make "no further comment at this time".

 

It is understood Chelsea midfielder John Mikel Obi is involved in the complaint.

 

Peter Herbert, the lawyer behind the potential black players' breakaway union, has made a written complaint to the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) regarding the matter.

 

"Our information is that racist remarks were directed at John Mikel Obi and at Juan Mata. If so, that is wholly unacceptable in any circumstances," wrote Herbert.

 

"Although this matter may be investigated by the FA, it is appropriate that the MPS independently see if a racially aggravated offence has occurred."

 

In a statement, the Metropolitan Police confirmed they had received a complaint that was now being considered.

 

"Officers from Hammersmith & Fulham borough have been in contact with Chelsea Football Club today (29 October), regarding the widely reported club referral of the referee's behaviour to the Football Association," added the MPS statement.

 

"At this time, the Metropolitan Police has not received any complaint from either Chelsea Football Club or the Football Association.

 

"We will work in partnership with Chelsea Football Club and the Football Association in order to consider any allegation that is made in relation to the reported events."

 

When Chelsea confirmed they would be making a complaint on Sunday, PGMO issued a statement confirming Clattenburg would co-operate with any investigation.

 

"PGMO is aware of the allegations and they are being treated with the utmost seriousness," the statement read.

 

"Mark will co-operate fully and welcomes the opportunity for the facts to be established."

 

Durham-born Clattenburg, 37, is on the Fifa list and refereed the League Cup final in February and the Olympic final between Brazil and Mexico in August.

 

Former Premier League official Graham Poll has suggested Chelsea's complaint could hinge on evidence from Clattenburg's assistants and the fourth official.

 

Linesmen Michael McDonough and Simon Long and fourth official Michael Jones may have heard conversations between Clattenburg and the players because all four officials wear microphones and ear pieces that allow them to hear what each other is saying during the game.

 

"A referee's microphone is on open. Everything he says is heard by [his or her] assistants," Poll told BBC Radio 5 live.

 

"So if Mark said something, the assistants would have heard it."

 

The Metropolitan Police have also revealed that an investigation has been launched into an incident in which a steward was injured at Stamford Bridge as Javier Hernandez celebrated United's winning goal in the 75th minute.

 

During the controversial encounter, Clattenburg sent off two Chelsea players.

 

Branislav Ivanovic and Fernando Torres were shown red cards in the space of five minutes, with the latter's second yellow card for diving disputed by the Blues.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20128484

 

Red herring: Clattenburg had a stinker but he's no closet United fan

 

Mike Walters opinion: The conspiracy ­theories flooded out on Sunday but a closer look at the ref's record in Man United games tells a different story

 

Since conspiracy theories are the last refuge of the partisan, don’t let the facts spoil a good lynching.

 

No sooner had Mark ­Clattenburg’s assorted gifts ended a decade of lean pickings for Manchester United at Stamford Bridge than the Twitter joke book went into overdrive.

 

'What a great call by Fergie to pick Clattenburg ahead of Howard Webb', s******ed the comedians, as a County Durham plumber became the fall-guy for Chelsea’s title charge springing its first leak.

 

And when the conspiracy ­theories came flooding out, ­Clattenburg’s back catalogue of howlers in United’s favour were trotted out in evidence against him.

 

Inevitably, the prosecution wheeled out Tottenham midfielder Pedro Mendes and his speculative lob from the halfway line, which United goalkeeper Roy Carroll smuggled back into play after fumbling it a yard over the line, before Clattenburg’s assistant Rob Lewis could drop him in it.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-8dOjeVC80]Roy Carroll drops Mendes' shot over the line. - YouTube[/ame]

 

There was United winger Nani walking the ball into an unguarded net when Spurs keeper Heurelho Gomes placed the ball for a ­free-kick Clattenburg had never awarded in the first place.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny1EeSnuw78]Nani weird goal vs Tottenham - YouTube[/ame]

 

And Sunday’s cocktail of red cards, offside goals, showers of missiles, an injured steward and allegations of ‘inappropriate remarks’ to Chelsea players merely reaffirmed the bigots’ convictions: The Premier League is just a vast conspiracy to make Sir Alex Ferguson happy.

 

By common consent, it was not Clattenburg’s finest hour.

 

But closer inspection of his record in games involving United suggests he does not lean favourably towards them – far from it.

 

In 20 league and cup matches, the ref has presided over 11 United wins, four draws and five defeats, including last season’s 6-1 humbling by bitter rivals Manchester City at Old ­Trafford.

 

Not exactly the work of a secret agent dispensing rough justice to United’s opponents as a rite of passage, is it?

 

Such was the controversy which engulfed his ­performance at Stamford Bridge that Clattenburg’s bosses at the Professional Game Match Officials Board had little option but to withdraw him from this ­weekend’s fixtures.

 

But other blunder referees, such as Stuart ‘Ghost Goal’ Attwell have taken their punishments, been reunited with their whistles and are still at large.

 

Besides Clattenburg, who took charge of the London 2012 Olympic final between Brazil and Mexico at Wembley, has already survived being struck off by PGMO once.

 

Four years ago, he was suspended pending a probe into his business affairs following allegations that he owed £60,000 from a failed business venture.

 

He was ­reinstated after eight months, and since then he has distributed 24 red cards in 127 games.

 

The FA, who are ­investigating the allegations against ­Clattenburg, will seek witness statements from his assistants Mike McDonough and Simon Long, plus fourth ­official Mike Jones, as a matter of urgency.

 

Former elite referee Graham Poll explained the microphone headsets worn by officials would offer key evidence.

 

Poll said: “A referee’s microphone is open – everything he says is heard by the assistants, so if Mark did say something, his colleagues would have heard it.”

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mark-clattenburg-is-not-a-closet-red-1407548

'I'll break your legs': Clattenburg vs Chelsea post-game bust-up stunned onlookers

 

A foul-mouthed threat of violence was overheard as a band of Blues confronted the referee in his changing room after stormy loss to Manchester United

 

The FA have received details of a furious confrontation in the referee's changing room at Stamford Bridge involving angry Chelsea officials, Mark Clattenburg and John Obi Mikel. Clattenburg is believed to have referred to an 'extraordinary incident' in his report of the Blues' highly-charged loss to Manchester United. It emerged late on Monday that the words "I'm gonna f******g break your legs" were heard during a furious post-match bust-up.

 

They came from inside the referee's dressing room as Clattenburg and his officials were angrily confronted by Chelsea staff and Mikel, the man the Blues claim was racially abused by the Gosforth official on Sunday. The Mirror understands the scenes became so heated, onlookers described the intervention of security staff as resembling "bouncers at a pub brawl".

 

The bust-up came after Chelsea had two men sent off in United's explosive 3-2 win. It also came as the European champions claimed Clattenburg had used language which could be interpreted as racist towards Mikel and Juan Mata.

 

The fall-out from the match continued on Monday, as the police received a complaint relating to the incident and referees' union Prospect leapt to Clattenburg's defence. Prospect said in a statement: "Prospect is committed to helping to eradicate racism in football and in society generally. In the context of that commitment, Prospect is offering full support to Mark Clattenburg in relation to the allegations made against him."

 

Clattenburg IS allowed to continue refereeing, but has been stood down for this weekend's Premier League games by the Professional Game Match Officials. It said: "With any football match, the focus should not be on the officials but on the players and the game itself.

 

"Mark Clattenburg is one of the elite referees in world football and, in these circumstances, the intense level of scrutiny would detract from the

match and be unfair to the clubs and the supporters of both sides."

 

Meanwhile, the FA launched a formal probe into Chelsea's complaint. Mindful of the criticism they attracted in the wake of the lengthy John Terry investigation, FA chiefs realise it is in everyone's interests to establish the facts of the case as quickly as possible.

 

A statement said: "'The FA has begun an investigation relating to allegations made following Sunday's fixture at Stamford Bridge between Chelsea and Manchester United. The FA will make no further comment at this time."

 

The FA will now speak to Clattenburg, his assistants Michael McDonough and Simon Long and fourth official Michael Jones. They are also set to make fresh contact with Chelsea, to ask for their version of events. And the FA are set to review TV footage, although the Mirror understands they had not formally requested it from match broadcaster Sky Sports as of Monday night.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mark-clattenburgs-chelsea-bust-up-was-like-1407220

37 minutes:

Reading 4, Arsenal 0

 

Now they lead 5-4 in extra time.

7-5 in the end wowza. Amazing match.

Incredible scoreline. Shows the entertainment of English football, but not exactly the quality!

BBC Sporf ‏@BBCSporf

BANTER: Quality banners tonight from both Chelsea and Manchester United fans. Top banter! pic.twitter.com/RnOwb2GS

 

Nobody cares to comment on another incredible scoreline last night?

 

OK I will, that was incredible.

Hope Liverpool can make up for their terrible performance on Wednesday when Newcastle come to Anfield on Sunday. A tough tough fixture but more often than not a very entertaining fixture.

Hope Liverpool can make up for their terrible performance on Wednesday

so do I, I've got Allen and Sterling in midfield in an otherwise injury ridden fantasy team!

I know people won't notice as much as myself as a Newcastle fan, but Newcastle have been poor so far this season, not horrible but dry and often uninspired (Most of the time, when we get it together it's no doubt a very talented team) and have even come away with points when maybe not deserved, which has been the opposite for Liverpool. I think for both teams it's a real chance to get a massive confidence boost.

Pick Newcastle ‏@PickNewcastle

Sunderland's top goal scorer throughout the whole of October was Demba Ba. #nufc

Arsenal vs Manchester united!

 

I have been a life long Arsenal fan! and today is a wild wild match!

Arsenals have won mid-week coming behind from 4-0 to making it 7-5 (it looks like a tennis score line) but we played our youngsters since it was a league cup match! but still should give our players a mental boost. Arsenal lost to chelsea at home and away to Norwich in the EPL hopefully we dont repeat a loss! i predict a 4-3-3 formation for arsenal. Mannone

 

 

Sagna--------Mertesacker----Vermalean-----Santos

 

Wilshere------Arteta----Cazorla

 

Walcott-----------Giroud--------- Podolski

 

i honestly dont know who Manchester united are going to field but i predict a 4-3-2-1 formation for them and im pretty sure Robin van persie is going to play.

Robin Van Persie who previously left Arsenal to join manchester united after playing 8 years at Arsenal.. he is currently the most hated footballer (probably a tie with Ashley cole) at arsenal! anyways our last visit to old trafford was a nightmare we lost 8-2 that day.

 

Some facts for you guys!

1_ Manchester united have won 7 and lost none of the last 8 against arsenal at the old trafford!

 

2_There have been nine penalties in the Premier League meetings between Arsenal and Manchester United in the Wenger era (seven for United, two for Arsenal); all at Old Trafford and five have been missed!!

 

3_United have scored in their last 53 Premier League home games, an all-time PL record.

 

so one things for certain! well not certain but 99% certain.. is that we will see goals!

 

Total matches between Manchester and Arsenal:

Man u wins---------Draws----------Arsenal wins

88 --------------------- 46 ------------------ 78

What do you guys think the scoreline is going to be? and your opinion on tonights match! well its morning for me im up way too early!

I have been a life long Arsenal fan! and today is a wild wild match!

 

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