Anyone who worships anyone else as a god is quite sad, unless it's in a joking manner.

 

I don't see Obama as a god or savior, I see him as a decent and hard-working and honest man who will do his best to help the country. And I see him as someone a lot smarter and more in control than Bush.

 

i agree. as excited and hopeful as i am, and no matter what i may seem like by what i say on here, i don't think obama is a god. i don't think he can or will fix everything, i just think he has a damn good shot at getting us a step closer, based on what he says. i actually disagree with obama on several points, most prominently healthcare and gay marriage. however, he's the candidate whose policies most closely fit my own wishes for this country, and i trust him. he may lose my trust, but for now, i'd rather be hopeful, for i don't see a reason to doubt him yet.

 

i also don't really get why people keep saying his policies are just like bush. ok, maybe there are certain areas he's not planning to make a huge change in, like the amount of trade and financing we do with countries like china. but he is ONE president with an unbelievable amount of shit on his plate, and i think with any problem, you have to tackle it in parts and chip away at it rather than making a fast, drastic change that may prove unstable in the long run. to all my limited historical knowledge, fast and drastic changes either haven't lasted long or have led to violence, neither of which would help america. i believe obama has tact, and realizes HE'S not going to change the country to its final perfect form, but as long as we follow his lead for a bit, he has hope that we'll continue on down the right road. i'm willing to follow his lead until he gives me reason not to.

 

also, how are increased taxes on the wealthy, closing gitmo, and making clear steps towards withdrawal in iraq like bush?

I do believe Obama has the conviction of just thinking and actions; he isn't bluff and bluster, Nick. While imperfect, he has a firm grasp of what the average citizen goes through in life, and what the true meaning of representative government is. But to keep him focused on the needs of the citizens will take a great deal of communications and public grass-roots support for real change, so that those who might otherwise try and change his way of thinking do not succeed in altering his convictions, or dampening his desire to do what is right for the nation, or the world.

He was a graduate in Constitutional Law as I recall, and as such undertands we have strayed too far from our founding principles (as he aluded to in his speech). If we keep our end of the bargain, and provide the pressure and effort for change, then he will act accordingly, and have the leverage of public opinion to get things done on Congress.

ZOE!!! I WANNA SEE YOUR PICTURES!!

Obama will be multitudes better than Bush no matter what happens, because he actually has brain cells.

YES WE CAN!

 

YES WE DID!

 

I would've loved to be at the Inauguration this morning. It was AWESOME. :dance:

 

Happy Obama Day, Coldplayers! :wacko:

Anyone who worships anyone else as a god is quite sad, unless it's in a joking manner.

 

I don't see Obama as a god or savior, I see him as a decent and hard-working and honest man who will do his best to help the country. And I see him as someone a lot smarter and more in control than Bush.

 

I think everyone thinks he's smarter then Bush. But in the end he's another politician with a fake smile and a fat wallet. He's surrounded himself by Washington Insiders and Wall street people who helped create the mess were in, that is not change.

 

So far every indication is he is the "status quo" and no real change is coming. You cannot surround yourself by the same people and look the people who created this mess to solve it. Change?

 

We'll see if he pulls us out of Iraq, stops lobbyist, seperates Wall Street and Washington, Stops our imperialistic foreign policy, and stops Corporate Socialism.

 

I wouldn't mind socialism, but Corporate socialism is the worste out of anything, and his support of the bail outs and Wall Street show he's a corporate socialist.

 

IF you want real change his supporters should have voted for Nadar.

I do believe Obama has the conviction of just thinking and actions; he isn't bluff and bluster, Nick. While imperfect, he has a firm grasp of what the average citizen goes through in life, and what the true meaning of representative government is. But to keep him focused on the needs of the citizens will take a great deal of communications and public grass-roots support for real change, so that those who might otherwise try and change his way of thinking do not succeed in altering his convictions, or dampening his desire to do what is right for the nation, or the world.

He was a graduate in Constitutional Law as I recall, and as such undertands we have strayed too far from our founding principles (as he aluded to in his speech). If we keep our end of the bargain, and provide the pressure and effort for change, then he will act accordingly, and have the leverage of public opinion to get things done on Congress.

 

We'll see. No action by government will over all help the economy in the long run. BUT, we'll see if he's for the people or for wall street. So far all he supports is corporate socialism for wall street. They get privatized profits and we get socialized losses.

 

If he's going to bail out anyone, it should be main street not his good friends and campaign contributers on Wall street.

 

PS I don't think he even knows what the constitution is. He voted and is in favor of FISA, and the Partiot Act, and the bail outs which are unconstitutional. I laugh at the notion of him actually knowing the constitution when every vote he's voted in 100% opposite to it.

 

I wouldn't mind socialism, but Corporate socialism is the worste out of anything, and his support of the bail outs and Wall Street show he's a corporate socialist.

 

IF you want real change his supporters should have voted for Nadar.

Well he obviously wasn't the only one to vote fro that bill to pass, so picking on Obama is just petty. His point was, it's not necessarily right or fair to bail out those companies. But it wasn't about what was fair, it was about doing what he could to help prevent a depression. And apparently many others agreed with that idea since the bill did pass.

Well he obviously wasn't the only one to vote fro that bill to pass, so picking on Obama is just petty. His point was, it's not necessarily right or fair to bail out those companies. But it wasn't about what was fair, it was about doing what he could to help prevent a depression. And apparently many others agreed with that idea since the bill did pass.

 

I wouldn't just pick him out, but he gives these speech's on change and hope and being for the people....kinda goes against his voting record. That is why I am picking on him AND Bush, because they are on the top and spoke one way and voted the other.

 

 

Corporate socialism does not work, well not for the average person, just those who get in bed with politicians.

i still believe nadar would have brought too much change too fast for stability and long-lasting success. i don't profess to be any political or historical buff, but to my knowledge, most fast drastic changes haven't worked so well. correct me if i'm wrong. as much as i do want real change, i want that change to be realistic, long lasting, and promising, with all the right and precautionary steps taken. i want a plan that will work, not just solutions bang bang bang. i'm more interested in the long-term success of this country than the economy being healthy and debt-free in my lifetime. i'd rather have the "real" change come in 50-100 years the slow way and have it last indefinitely with success than for a fast change in everything that would be ok for a while, but then might eventually lead to unrest and instability and bring us back to square one, or an even worse place than we're in now. that's what i think fast drastic changes tend to lead to, in everything from governments to everyday life choices.

 

i'm beginning to sound like a broken record. i should just go do my coursework :lol:

 

Corporate socialism does not work, well not for the average person, just those who get in bed with politicians.

I don't like the idea of corporate socialism either, but would you rather have not passed the bill, had all those companies go out of business, have millions of people lose their jobs, and see the economy in even worse shape than it is right now?

I don't like the idea of corporate socialism either, but would you rather have not passed the bill, had all those companies go out of business, have millions of people lose their jobs, and see the economy in even worse shape than it is right now?

 

It's long term vs short term. Were in this mess because we only see short term results and don't care about the future. The short term solution is/will make the problem worse and cause recovery to take longer. Or a long term solution that hurts more in teh short term but allows us to come back stronger in the long run.

 

China is long term and look at them now, were short term and were going to be in major trouble.

 

So the short term solution would suck, but it's better then a longer and worse depression were causing now. Remember Bush treated the symptoms of his first recession from Clinton, and in the short term things looked good and we bounced back, but a little bit later we have found out it only made the problem much much bigger and longer lasting. Were doing the same thing again, and if Obama can delay the Recession like Bush did, it'll just come back in a few years bigger and will take longer to recover.

 

The policies were doing right now just treat the symptons but ignore the underlying conditions and acerbate the situation.

 

Our greed and ignorance will be the death of us, even if it takes a few more years of delays.

It's long term vs short term. Were in this mess because we only see short term results and don't care about the future. The short term solution is/will make the problem worse and cause recovery to take longer. Or a long term solution that hurts more in teh short term but allows us to come back stronger in the long run.

 

China is long term and look at them now, were short term and were going to be in major trouble.

 

So the short term solution would suck, but it's better then a longer and worse depression were causing now. Remember Bush treated the symptoms of his first recession from Clinton, and in the short term things looked good and we bounced back, but a little bit later we have found out it only made the problem much much bigger and longer lasting. Were doing the same thing again, and if Obama can delay the Recession like Bush did, it'll just come back in a few years bigger and will take longer to recover.

 

The policies were doing right now just treat the symptons but ignore the underlying conditions and acerbate the situation.

 

Our greed and ignorance will be the death of us, even if it takes a few more years of delays.

:rolleyes:

So another way Bush and Obama are the same, massive spending and similar policies to delay a recession.....didn't work for Bush in the long term, why will it work for Obama specially when our economy overall is much more weak then it was 8 years ago.

 

Our greed and ignorance will be the death of us, even if it takes a few more years of delays.

It's that kind of positive outlook that will get us all out of this.;)

It's that kind of positive outlook that will get us all out of this.;)

 

It will, you cannot have recovery til you recognize what caused the problem and stop it. If you stick your hand on a hot burner and don't realize it's causing the pain, your going to be in a lot of trouble when you keep putting your hand back on it.

 

Being 100% honest and searching for the truth is how you do well and fix problems.

 

Blind hope in nothing gets you no where.

 

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

i don't think the hope is blind, or in nothing. i think that he needs to be given more of a chance, and i have hope that some things will get a bit better or will be on the mend by the end of the first term because of the relatively small tweaks on the bush regime. i still say slow and steady wins the race, and while i do agree when you talk about long-term success, i don't think americans are going to buy into the policy of suffering for the sake of future generations in the way that countries like china have--we're just too spoiled. we do need the change you're talking about, but i think we need to do with the support of the american people. the support is going to be pulled out if anyone tells americans that they're going to have to make major sacrifices (more sacrifices than the recession has already brought on), which would just make the whole attempt for change moot.

i don't think americans are going to buy into the policy of suffering for the sake of future generations in the way that countries like china have--we're just too spoiled.

 

I agree and we will pay for it and will reap what we sow. We have yet to learn actions have consequences, there are rules we cant break just because were rich Americans.

 

We will be forced to change, the question is when and how after how much pain? The only thing delaying does it make the short term a little better. I used to be like that but have learned my lesson of long term vs short term, Americans will too, but by then CHina and Asia will have left us behind and I won't blame them.

 

P.S. Foreign people on here shouldn't be too happy about Obama, were going to take your money and use it for reckless spending and buying more crap and to get more fat while you work hard for the money we get. You're paying for our Ipods and BMW's.

 

P.S. Foreign people on here shouldn't be too happy about Obama, were going to take your money and use it for reckless spending and buying more crap and to get more fat while you work hard for the money we get. You're paying for our Ipods and BMW's.

Okay, you were making good points and seemed credible up to here. In this paragraph you are being purely discriminate against Americans as a race, which is amazing considering you are one of the Americans that ISN'T like this generalization. Not all Americans are fat, listen to iPods, and drive BMW's.

I agree and we will pay for it and will reap what we sow. We have yet to learn actions have consequences, there are rules we cant break just because were rich Americans.

 

We will be forced to change, the question is when and how after how much pain? The only thing delaying does it make the short term a little better. I used to be like that but have learned my lesson of long term vs short term, Americans will too, but by then CHina and Asia will have left us behind and I won't blame them.

 

P.S. Foreign people on here shouldn't be too happy about Obama, were going to take your money and use it for reckless spending and buying more crap and to get more fat while you work hard for the money we get. You're paying for our Ipods and BMW's.

 

Man, you sure know so much :rolleyes:

Okay, you were making good points and seemed credible up to here. In this paragraph you are being purely discriminate against Americans as a race, which is amazing considering you are one of the Americans that ISN'T like this generalization. Not all Americans are fat, listen to iPods, and drive BMW's.

 

Of course not, I have nothing against being rich just foreign nations financing a lot of our wealth with their hard earned money and us pissing it away. And then on top of that giving the men who were corrupt and greedy who caused most of our economic problems more money a large part from borrowing to do the same thing over again.

 

We just robbed the world through wall street and are tricking many to give us more to borrow and re-inflate the corruption in wall street. If I was from another country like Japan or CHina, i'd be up in arms about this.

Man, you sure know so much :rolleyes:

 

I'm waiting for you to know something other then the smiley's.:\

 

Intelligent? Add something, or shut up.

I'm waiting for you to know something other then the smiley's.:\

 

Intelligent? Add something, or shut up.

He had every right to make that comment after what you said about Americans. As if the rest of the world didn't hate us enough, then there people like you who are convinced that every American but yourself is the stereotype.

I'm waiting for you to know something other then the smiley's.:\

 

Intelligent? Add something, or shut up.

 

Talking to a loud mouth know it all who has never solved a problem in his entire life is a waste of my time. You're not adding anything to the conversation. Instead, you are standing back and throwing rocks that are backed by nothing but your opinion.

He had every right to make that comment after what you said about Americans. As if the rest of the world didn't hate us enough, then there people like you who are convinced that every American but yourself is the stereotype.

 

Yes we are the elite, bow to us?

 

We are hated for good reason...seen whats going on in Iraq and the middle east? We kill, steal and destroy to get what we want instead of earning it. Wall street stole trillions from other nations of hard working people, and we should ignore this and continue on with our old ways. This is a major reason why people hate us.