My dad isn't really...

My dad isn't really...

But, are you realy sure you will believe what the bible says?

And not what scientists say what already make shit what's in the bible?

 

Sorry for who will be 'personal attacked' bye this BUT I say it once, if you think that science is bullshit, you realy have to get brains and learn how to use it.. (I meant this just in general ofc.:))

But, are you realy sure you will believe what the bible says?

And not what scientists say what already make shit what's in the bible?

 

Sorry for who will be 'personal attacked' bye this BUT I say it once, if you think that science is bullshit, you realy have to get brains and learn how to use it.. (I meant this just in general ofc.:))

 

No, I don't deny science. I just believe God is the reason why Science works. IMHO it's a lot more logical to believe a higher being created this universe than just a big long series of random occurrences creating a world as beautiful as ours.

^ Yeah, I'm a pretty not-believe-in-anything kind of person... people say I'm pessimistic - I call it being a realist. :angry:

 

So, yeah - I'm an atheist - a proud one, as well. I don't push my beliefs on other people and all that, though... :P

Ha thanks, same here !

Most of my friends don't understand that, but as you said, that's being realist :P

I meant that Atheïsm is also an religion.

You are an Atheïst when you believe that everything in the bible can be explained by nature facts and history.

 

So it is not when you believe in nothing.:)

 

Atheism is not a religion for reasons I explained earlier, there is nothing to band Atheists together, the only common belief they share is that there is no God. This does not make them any more or less logical than a Christian, all it means is that they do not believe in God.

"Proud Atheism" sounds quite moronic to me. If you don't believe in any God, why should you even give a shit?

"Proud Atheism" sounds quite moronic to me. If you don't believe in any God, why should you even give a shit?

 

I actually agree. I don't understand being proud of things in general, actually.

I meant that Atheïsm is also an religion.

You are an Atheïst when you believe that everything in the bible can be explained by nature facts and history.

 

So it is not when you believe in nothing.:)

I disagree. The term Atheism just implies disbelieve in the existence of a God, not religion. You can be an atheist and believe in unicorns or reject science. You could create an atheistic religion encompassing a series of ideas or moral principles, (Really the primary difference between philosophy and religion is the social and community aspect of the ideology) but while Christianity and Hinduism are religions, theism and atheism are not.

Atheist are like the nuttiest religious people, they always want to convert people to their (non)Religion of Atheism. Most of them I've met are worse then the people they claim to hate.

Athiests have nothing to live for.

What?

what?

Yeah, why live if you don't believe in a afterlife?

 

Where do you get morality from if you are an Atheist?

^couldn't have said it better myself

Yeah, why live if you don't believe in a afterlife?

 

Where do you get morality from if you are an Atheist?

 

While not an atheist myself, I feel obligated to reply, but only after you confirm you're not being sarcastic.

I'm being serious. For most humans some kind of morality comes from their religion, but if you believe there is no god how do you get morality?

 

And as far as no afterlife, personally I would be despondent if there was none.

Athiests don't need to have any morals if they know there is no afterlife.

i am not an athiest.

Athiest?

isn't it ie?

Nope.

oh, I'm too lazy to change all my posts.

:laugh3:

I'm being serious. For most humans some kind of morality comes from their religion, but if you believe there is no god how do you get morality?

 

And as far as no afterlife, personally I would be despondent if there was none.

 

 

may i step in?

your post depicts the exact problem that i have with religion.

are you being serious, that you can only decide to be a good human, if someone as

god, or any religious institution asks you to? i know many so called christians, who are profound pathetic asshats.

pretty much all atheists i know are thoughtful ( most of them had to overcome their religious upbringing, so they underwent a CONSCIOUS process) and have quite good, if not terrific moralic standards, which they worked out themselves.

 

it's difficult for me to discuss things in english.

btw, all who believe in an afterlife can only BELIEVE in it. even the pope can only BELIEVE, that he believes in god. i chose to not believe. and i chose to be a good human, at which i suck pretty often, but not more than any buddhist or muslim or jew or christian, for god's sake.

Yeah, why live if you don't believe in a afterlife?

 

Where do you get morality from if you are an Atheist?

 

 

oh well...Do you seriously posit that life is only worth living if you cannot achieve immortality? Is the love and beauty of the world God gave you not enough? Love life before its meaning! (Dostoyevsky) Does disbelieve in God render you any less capable to love for fellow man and rejoice in his happiness, or to make the world a better place? If I lost all hope in the world, the clouds and birds alone would be infinitely enough to keep me on the earth, much more the opportunity to contribute and gain understanding of the world.

I remember a music appreciation class I took where somebody requested a song be played before class began. It was a heartfelt rendition of 'somewhere over the rainbow' by a Christian artist, and afterwards I was deeply saddened because I loathed the blunt escapism and rejection of the beautiful world God gave them (not merely in the metaphorical moral sense, but physically and emotionally), something they would surely embrace if they weren't selfishly dreaming of an ideal paradise.

While I can't consider myself a christian with a capital C, I decided long ago to ignore the notion of heaven and hell as incentives for believe. Such ideas only deceive people into irrationality and I think any Christian who only believes because of the possibility of heaven or a fear of hell has built their faith on quicksand.

 

 

As far as morality is concerned, do you need the ten commandments to explain that murder and theft are fundamentally wrong? Of course you can be moral and atheistic, for the latter does not imply moral relativism, in fact human reasoning can lead to nearly identical moral codes as Christianity.