November 21, 200916 yr What the fuck are you talking about? Way to ignore every single one of my points, you fucking idiot. That is a terrible point, I am not communist, I have nothing in common with other Atheists. Contrary to religion Atheism isn't a thing it's more of an absence of something, all it means is that I don't belong to a religion and I don't believe in God, not that I am a follower of Stalin and that he and I have the same values. I am not oppressive, so basically it was a shit point that you heard someone else make and tried to use it against me but failed. Religion tells you that humans are to abide to God's will and do as he says, does it not? There is no interpretation there, those are the rules and if you don't do that you don't get into heaven. Religion is by no means a science, nobody claimed it was, it's a cult. hahaha no you wrongly understood me, i don't blame you for anything and don't take it personally, i just meant that if religion had something against education, then why atheism not? And as you know it was not atheism who says to do this, it was comunism, so why to blaim religion if we know not religious people were doing that harm in many times. Nooo, you don't have idea how many acceptions there is, you can not even go to church on sunday if you are doing something valuable. And nun said that! And religion says God doesn't punish, he is merciful and you can always be forgiven for anything. Oh and about love. Love each other as you love yourself - as you know religion says. And it's a very good idea, when you love each other, live for the world, not only for yourself and here you go - there's the meaning of life!:wink3::D
November 21, 200916 yr hahaha no you wrongly understood me, i don't blame you for anything and don't take it personally, i just meant that if religion had something against education, then why atheism not? And as you know it was not atheism who says to do this, it was comunism, so why to blaim religion if we know not religious people were doing that harm in many times. Nooo, you don't have idea how many acceptions there is, you can not even go to church on sunday if you are doing something valuable. And nun said that! And religion says God doesn't punish, he is merciful and you can always have be forgiven for anything. Oh and about love. Love each other as you love yourself - as you know religion says. And it's a very good idea, when you love each other, live for the world, not only for yourself and here you go - there's the meaning of life!:wink3::D It's impossible to argue with you because you are so blinded by religion.
November 21, 200916 yr How can I make generalisations about fucking written scripture? 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. There we go. If you find a person of a different faith, kill them. That's just one quote which backs up my point, there are loads of them That's in the Old Testament.
November 21, 200916 yr That's in the Old Testament. And a fucking shit load of the values Christianity still uses are also in the Old Testament, the 10 Commandments are in the Old testament for fucks sake. You can't write it off on that basis.
November 21, 200916 yr It's impossible to argue with you because you are so blinded by religion. hahaha i was just trying to defend religion. :uhoh:
November 21, 200916 yr And a fucking shit load of the values Christianity still uses are also in the Old Testament, the 10 Commandments are in the Old testament for fucks sake. You can't write it off on that basis. It doesn't matter, we aren't bound any of those laws anymore.
November 21, 200916 yr It doesn't matter, we aren't bound any of those laws anymore. This is retarded, so the 10 Commandments and anything that was in the Old Testament don't matter? Why is it then that Christianity still abides by the laws and rules it set out in the Old Testament and why is it that for example, Christianity still hates gay people? If the teachings of the Old Testament don't matter then Christianity isn't even following it's own rules properly
November 21, 200916 yr The Old Testament (Hebrew bible) has some parts which are gruesome, cruel, and definitely evoking hatred towards others - cloaked in the righteousness of doing 'Gods' will. Those parts I think of as being unenlightened and vengeful towards whole groups, irrespective of their societies' individual thoughts, feelings, or actions. Here's one passage filled with invective language: "But the day belongs to the Lord, the Lord Almighty-- a day of vengeance, for vengeance on his foes. The sword will devour till it is satisfied, till it has quenched its thirst with blood.." There are numerous other examples - usually directed against groups other than the Hebrew tribes. But then I'm sure the regions' other civilizations and religions did much the same - it was a world of sparring powers... I think we are evolving a better understanding of human relations, and in doing so, hopefully lessening wars by addressing the root causes of conflict. If the message is one of peace, I'm all for it! Settle differences not with bloodshed and vengeful thinking, but with civility (international courts, etc.), and by speaking to one-another. Perhaps one good message from the Jesus tales is to "love your enemies" - a truly remarkable thing to say! It's a transformation from the older, more vindictive view of God, towards a more enlightened view.
November 21, 200916 yr This is retarded, so the 10 Commandments and anything that was in the Old Testament don't matter? Why is it then that Christianity still abides by the laws and rules it set out in the Old Testament and why is it that for example, Christianity still hates gay people? If the teachings of the Old Testament don't matter then Christianity isn't even following it's own rules properly No, Christians are supposed to follow the moral principles that were shown in the new testament... edit: but the ten commandments are still very important.
November 21, 200916 yr It's just SO obvious that they are just correcting all the bits that were a bit nasty, how can people not see that? How can people genuinely think God "grew up" and changed, fucking idiots.
November 21, 200916 yr No, Christians are supposed to follow the moral principles that were shown in the new testament... edit: but the ten commandments are still very important. And gay people should still be persecuted YAY HYPOCRISY, WOOOOO
November 21, 200916 yr The Old Testament had prophecies about a "messiah," so no, they weren't just "correcting" things.
November 21, 200916 yr The Old Testament had prophecies about a "messiah," so no, they weren't just "correcting" things. If they change all of the rules then of course they fucking were, seriously, how are you so easily blinded?
November 21, 200916 yr And gay people should still be persecuted YAY HYPOCRISY, WOOOOO Maybe Jesus was gay? After all, he never had a wife, although there were those references to some gals who were there at his entombment..? Anyhow, it's a social and cultural evolution - as God gave us the brains and wherewithal to figure it all out..;)
November 21, 200916 yr Maybe Jesus was gay? After all, he never had a wife, although there were those references to some gals who were there at his entombment..? Anyhow, it's a social and cultural evolution - as God gave us the brains and wherewithal to figure it all out..;) Evolution is a fun word, I'm glad you used it, God giving us our brains kinda cancels out Evolution. Evolution is one of the most beautiful and intricate processes I have studied, it's amazing and not as simple as people think it is, so do you say that Evolution didn't happen?
November 21, 200916 yr Maybe Jesus was gay? After all, he never had a wife, although there were those references to some gals who were there at his entombment..? Anyhow, it's a social and cultural evolution - as God gave us the brains and wherewithal to figure it all out..;) But who's to say that god gave them to us. :) *waves flag for science*
November 21, 200916 yr If they change all of the rules then of course they fucking were, seriously, how are you so easily blinded? I think you know nothing about christianity if you think the whole point was to just "change all the rules."
November 21, 200916 yr I'm actually highly spiritual. But Spirituality is not only linked to religion.
November 21, 200916 yr But Catholicism hasn't brought only bad stuff. There are glorious architecture treasures and the Divine Comedy. And Vivaldi was a monk, wasn't him?
November 21, 200916 yr But Catholicism hasn't brought only bad stuff. There are glorious architecture treasures and the Divine Comedy. And Vivaldi was a monk, wasn't him? Haha, the Divine Comedy was the last book we read for one of my classes in 9th grade. Our teacher said we were spending the end of the semester in hell. :awesome:
November 21, 200916 yr Evolution is a fun word, I'm glad you used it, God giving us our brains kinda cancels out Evolution. Evolution is one of the most beautiful and intricate processes I have studied, it's amazing and not as simple as people think it is, so do you say that Evolution didn't happen? I take the larger view - that which we call God, much as what Albert Einstein thought of as God, simply is the Universe. In that sense, the creation of the Universe (the 'big bang') is the creation of God, and ultimately resulted in our existence as well. The fact that human social interactions have come so far to allow us the peaceful cooperation to study things with such detail as we do is simply amazing, and if that's our ultimate purpose, it's a great one! True - it isn't as simple as people think - DNA may have crossed species boundaries from virus vectors, virus DNA itself probably plays a major role in multicellular life's DNA and trait expression, etc. But just the amazing unlikely set of circumstances - that here we are, communicating with computers as we do, studying with great interest the inner workings of life itself, and having collectively used our knowledge and created the capacity to do all this - all from the forces of the universe, the low probability of planet Earth being ideal for life as we know it, the template for life in some form happening (through cells forming from the primordial soup of compounds, or enzymes forming from precursor chemicals, using perhaps clay particles as a template.. And all the necessary steps that have gotten us here - it's quite amazing, and suggests to me that we are one part of the Universe (though perhaps not alone) which has a special purpose of unraveling the mysteries and colonizing space. So, as that goes, we are as much a part of God as we are apart from God. In our human interactions, there is a sorting and rearranging of what we perceive as real - from the concept that the Earth was the center of the Universe, to the concept we think of today in terms of planets, solar systems, etc.. After all the scientific method - observation, forming ideas idea about how the observations interrelate, forming a hypothesis, testing that hypothesis, etc. is somewhat akin to reflecting on the older teachings and changing them to suit a more enlightened view of things. Yes, I believe that evolution is a motive force in life on the planet, and it is incredibly beautiful as a process. One thing to consider, however, is that we can and already have begun to transcend evolution. We are the manifestation of life that has the capacity to do what evolution, in our absence cannot do. When and where we should do this is a matter to debate, but we have already done things that defy evolution as the primary force in determining an organism's viability, as well as it's DNA composition. In other words, I'm trying to view things from a broad perspective, having participated in many narrowly focused fields. The civility between people, and the societies in which we live is a prerequisite to our ability to advance our understanding of the universe. Without purpose, hope, and positive motivation, we are like a ship without a rudder and captain.
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