I dunno. When Abraham was commanded by god to take his only son Isaac up to the altar, and then slay him as a sacrifice, even though at the last minute god commanded Abraham not to do it, I kind of wonder what sort of god would ask anyone to do something like that in the first place, just to test their loyalty?! Or not allowing the Israelites to enter their kingdom just because they forgot to make a sacrifice on one holy day? Sounds pretty extreme to me, and very heavy-handed.

And there's worse, but I'll spare everyone the gory details.

Better to have more cause-and-effect teachings, and less 'almighty wrath' stuff methinks.

The idea that we should "fear the lord" is quite simplistic and readily prone to abuse by those in power - I prefer a more logical, reasoned approach myself.

Plus, why does the bible create a male image of God? Sounds rather unequal, if you ask me. Older religions worshiped the mother Goddess; and in some ways this is carried forth in the worship of Mary, a virtuous woman and naturally the mother of Jesus (who's father was probably Joseph, as what sort of God would make immutable laws of nature that can be broken?).

So I think religion is evolving, and getting closer to the ethics we have come to understand in the modern world. Following God means to me following what is right in your heart, and listening to others, considering their thoughts as well.

Mohamed said that Men, Women, and Children are all equal in the eyes of God if I understand correctly - well advanced in terms of equal rights!

i think that people shouldn't judge others on what they believe in,

if i'm a catholic or a christian or whatever you shouldn't automatically think i'm a certain way.. & vice-versa.

i think that people shouldn't judge others on what they believe in,

if i'm a catholic or a christian or whatever you shouldn't automatically think i'm a certain way.. & vice-versa.

 

who's judging... ? :thinking:

Most religions are still very primitive in their way of thinking, seriously, no offense intended, god in a piece of bread? A matter of faith etc I know all those stuff since I was in a catholic school. But God can be wherever you want, and there's no need to go to a ritual to please him nor donate money to indolent and manipulative men.

When Spaniards came, they killed thousands of natives for what? They destroyed their codes, monuments, cities and their culture. They did all that in the name of God (and also to strengthen their dominion). They thought that they were definitively wrong, they could not understand their way of thinking and living, hence fear is their first reaction to destroy everything. That was made according to their religious beliefs and to prove wrong the native's ones. But who was really right?

Also mass=Energy/speed of light^2. It takes a lot of energy just to make a tiny bit of matter, so use energy wisely - it really does matter!:P (alright, it's a poor pun, but I couldn't resist the pull of gravity..)

:D

As Karl Marx once said "Religion is the opium of the masses"

*applauses*

Kind of related to Roman's panem et circenses (bread and circuses).

 

 

 

Excuse spelling mistakes, I are mexican and typing hastily lolz

I dunno. When Abraham was commanded by god to take his only son Isaac up to the altar, and then slay him as a sacrifice, even though at the last minute god commanded Abraham not to do it, I kind of wonder what sort of god would ask anyone to do something like that in the first place, just to test their loyalty?! Or not allowing the Israelites to enter their kingdom just because they forgot to make a sacrifice on one holy day? Sounds pretty extreme to me, and very heavy-handed.

And there's worse, but I'll spare everyone the gory details.

Better to have more cause-and-effect teachings, and less 'almighty wrath' stuff methinks.The idea that we should "fear the lord" is quite simplistic and readily prone to abuse by those in power - I prefer a more logical, reasoned approach myself.

Its this paradoxical scenario that intrigues me so much with kierkegaard. If that were to happen today, people would sooner check in to an asylum than anything else. You have to either A. reject the accuracy of the story, book, or old testament as fallacious and uninspired by God. B. View God's will as illogical and subjective, demanding a fideist approach to a faith. C. something else

Plus, why does the bible create a male image of God? Sounds rather unequal, if you ask me. Older religions worshiped the mother Goddess; and in some ways this is carried forth in the worship of Mary, a virtuous woman and naturally the mother of Jesus (who's father was probably Joseph, as what sort of God would make immutable laws of nature that can be broken?).

So I think religion is evolving, and getting closer to the ethics we have come to understand in the modern world. Following God means to me following what is right in your heart, and listening to others, considering their thoughts as well.

Mohamed said that Men, Women, and Children are all equal in the eyes of God if I understand correctly - well advanced in terms of equal rights!

 

While Christianity refers to God as He/Him/Father etc. Those terms are merely symbolic and a way of referring to God without saying 'it' or nothing at all (like in judaism), God has no gender, and theologians would explain Jesus incarnation has a man, simply as the most pragmatic, considering women in authority were frowned upon in those days.

who's judging... ? :thinking:

i wasn't referring to you specifically, i was just giving my opinion.

i wasn't referring to you specifically, i was just giving my opinion.

 

I know you weren't... pregunté por que no noté ninguna clase de "juicio" ni el primer post... o con lo que han venido posteando hasta ahora. :nice:

a perdon,

la vdd no ley los posts anteriores.. deveria supongo.

solo pense decir eso es todo..

Organized religion is one of the worst things to happen to humanity. Yes, people would still kill for stupid and bigoted reasons without it, but the fact that they do so and have done so for so long thinking that they are deliverers of divine justice sickens me.

 

And don't need some fictional "God" to tell me what's right and what's wrong -- if you're not fucking retarded it's pretty easy to tell, in general hurting people = bad, doing nice things = good... do you really need some sort of fictional promise of an afterlife to motivate you to do good things? Humanity's sense of "right" and "wrong," or its sense of "compassion" is clearly biologically hardwired, you don't need religion to tell you that. People invented religion because they're terrified of death, not for any moral reasons.

Organized religion is one of the worst things to happen to humanity. Yes, people would still kill for stupid and bigoted reasons without it, but the fact that they do so and have done so for so long thinking that they are deliverers of divine justice sickens me.

 

And don't need some fictional "God" to tell me what's right and what's wrong -- if you're not fucking retarded it's pretty easy to tell, in general hurting people = bad, doing nice things = good... do you really need some sort of fictional promise of an afterlife to motivate you to do good things? Humanity's sense of "right" and "wrong," or its sense of "compassion" is clearly biologically hardwired, you don't need religion to tell you that. People invented religion because they're terrified of death, not for any moral reasons.

 

THIS.

Uh religion came from wanting to know what is the sun, moon, trees, etc, generaly whole world. Does science explain the meaning of the world? So... people just can choose what to believe.

 

You know a story how one surgeon dissected the body and said: voila there is no soul! We can't see God and we are not able to see everything. And Christianity is just a subjective experience. It helps for many people to survive difficult periods.

 

In my opinion, religion will always be. Maybe it will change, as those old saint books are too old for us and too controversial and we don't like those fusty principles and traditions..... but there will be something, joining love and goodness, teaching spirituality.

I think lots of you guys and girls take the Bible to fundementally. I'll agree, their is a lot of stuff in the old testament I don't understand but ou have to think about the context in which it is written as well. Think about the people thousands of years ago who wrote it and how they would've seen the world and the different conventions they use.

Uh religion came from wanting to know what is the sun, moon, trees, etc, generaly whole world. Does science explain the meaning of the world? So... people just can choose what to believe.

 

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

 

Religion is NOT in any way shape or form seeking KNOWLEDGE, fuck you.

 

It hinders knowledge and has done at several time periods.

 

"God did it" is just such a cheap way to explain something you don't understand, it's just ignorance disguised.

 

How dare you insult science by saying that, fucking dick.

 

Why do you need meaning? Is the meaning that we are just to obey some superior being so amazing? I find that a disgusting prospect in all honesty.

Oh what a science lover!:D Yes, religion is not knowledge. It's more spiritual things. You know, scientist says HOW earth is made and religion says WHY it's made. Can science be instead of religion?

 

Well religion helped to educate people......:thinking:

 

What do you mean to obey god? To do what says decalogue, go to the church, confessionals, that is disgusting? These are parts of the whole thing, but the meaning is to love each other.

Oh what a science lover!:D Yes, religion is not knowledge. It's more spiritual things. You know, scientist says HOW earth is made and religion says WHY it's made. Can science be instead of religion?

 

Well religion helped to educate people......:thinking:

 

What do you mean to obey god? To do what says decalogue, go to the church, confessionals, that is disgusting? These are parts of the whole thing, but the meaning is to love each other.

 

Science is why things are made too, just because the answer isn't "a magic man made it" doesn't mean that it doesn't say why. Science does kind of cancel out God, it disgusts me a little bit when I see a scientist or a mathematician who is religious.

 

Religion did anything but educate people, in the UK the Romans brought to us a wealth of knowledge about medicine and everything good, they pretty much sorted out our backwards society. Then they leave, religion comes in, tells everyone that the stuff the Romans taught us, destroyed everything they brought and burned the books, so we just lost all of the medical knowledge we had and we took a massive step back into the dark ages, like the filth ridden retards god wanted us to be. More modern times religion is strongly against Stem Cell research which could potentially save millions of lives, so fuck you and fuck religion.

 

I think it's disgusting how you can think your meaning of life is to please this "God" who clearly doesn't give a fuck about you. How does religion tell you to love each other? The Beatles told me to love each other, not God, not religion. Religion told me to be biased and hate others.

The Beatles told me to love each other, not God, not religion. Religion told me to be biased and hate others.

 

:heart:

its funny, I used to be horribly afraid of hardcore atheists. Now they're sort of amusing.

The Bible never says to hate others or be biased...

Science is why things are made too, just because the answer isn't "a magic man made it" doesn't mean that it doesn't say why. Science does kind of cancel out God, it disgusts me a little bit when I see a scientist or a mathematician who is religious.

 

Religion did anything but educate people, in the UK the Romans brought to us a wealth of knowledge about medicine and everything good, they pretty much sorted out our backwards society. Then they leave, religion comes in, tells everyone that the stuff the Romans taught us, destroyed everything they brought and burned the books, so we just lost all of the medical knowledge we had and we took a massive step back into the dark ages, like the filth ridden retards god wanted us to be. More modern times religion is strongly against Stem Cell research which could potentially save millions of lives, so fuck you and fuck religion.

 

I think it's disgusting how you can think your meaning of life is to please this "God" who clearly doesn't give a fuck about you. How does religion tell you to love each other? The Beatles told me to love each other, not God, not religion. Religion told me to be biased and hate others.

 

What about that society of Jesus? It was educational.

 

If we think that way then I can blame atheism. You know, in Soviet Union, people were being enforced to be atheists:DIf you were going to church you were punished, if you were religious, you couldn't go to normal university or finish school with the highest rate.

 

I don't say my meaning of life is to please god :D I do everything by myself, I am not a chicken,I think also by myself, and even pretty much logically. maybe I seem naive, I just try to defend religion, but I don't study it, i don't see it as a science and that's the weakest point of a religion, that it's just subjective.

What about that society of Jesus? It was educational.

 

If we think that way then I can blame atheism. You know, in Soviet Union, people were being enforced to be atheists:DIf you were going to church you were punished, if you were religious, you couldn't go to normal university or finish school with the highest rate.

 

I don't say my meaning of life is to please god :D I do everything by myself, I am not a chicken,I think also by myself, and even pretty much logically. maybe I seem naive, I just try to defend religion, but I don't study it, i don't see it as a science and that's the weakest point of a religion, that it's just subjective.

 

What the fuck are you talking about? Way to ignore every single one of my points, you fucking idiot.

 

That is a terrible point, I am not communist, I have nothing in common with other Atheists. Contrary to religion Atheism isn't a thing it's more of an absence of something, all it means is that I don't belong to a religion and I don't believe in God, not that I am a follower of Stalin and that he and I have the same values. I am not oppressive, so basically it was a shit point that you heard someone else make and tried to use it against me but failed.

 

Religion tells you that humans are to abide to God's will and do as he says, does it not? There is no interpretation there, those are the rules and if you don't do that you don't get into heaven. Religion is by no means a science, nobody claimed it was, it's a cult.

The Bible never says to hate others or be biased...

 

Yes it does.

 

Also Tnspieler1012, I am by no means a hardcore atheist, I just get pissed off at certain things.

Haha, no it doesn't. You're just making generalizations.

Haha, no it doesn't. You're just making generalizations.

 

How can I make generalisations about fucking written scripture?

 

17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,

17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:

17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

 

There we go.

 

If you find a person of a different faith, kill them.

 

That's just one quote which backs up my point, there are loads of them

How can I make generalisations about fucking written scripture?

 

17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,

17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:

17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

 

There we go.

 

If you find a person of a different faith, kill them.

 

That's just one quote which backs up my point, there are loads of them

 

Best post I've seen here in quite a while.

Best post I've seen here in quite a while.

 

agreed.