how many inocent lebonise, palistians syaians, moslems, christains have been killed.

I am not anti- jew. I am of mixed heritage, that may be why I see two sides of a story as I have recently added to my signature....

 

I cant really blame the desperate acts of freedom of what people are doing out there, as its quite aparent they dont have a democratic or even human right to state otherwise...

 

oh yes... my news source is the bbc and the bbc only !

 

Source BBC.

At least 423 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have died in the violence since Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July.

 

I remember reading in Genisis when Cain killed abel. God said to him if anyone harms you they will be paid back 7 fold. Its plain and simple to see this is whats happening...

 

again I ask...

 

why do you take the Bible so literally?? Its not 'law' you know... lol The Bible also says that you should marry only once in your lifetime.. and that divorce is against all the religious beliefs set forth by the faith and henceforth those divorced shall never receive the Body of Christ again... HOWEVER... the Vatican now says its ok to be divorced now and receive Holy Communion!! ---so why do you still take the Bible as gold??

 

 

--ANYHOO... this thread is suppose to be about the Middle Eastern conflict, not religion.... step back Daryl!! I thought you weren't interested in this debate? :thinking:

Yeah...ok...fair enough.

 

Just some things I feel 100% on.

 

And I'm not trying to make you hate your country.....far from it. It's those in control of it.

 

Sorry to 'seem' like a bastard sometimes....but as I say, honestly I'm not.

 

i know you're not... i actually respect the fact that u do care and read about things and know what's going in the world (unlike some ppl who post things here when they barely have any background information)

 

and ppl always tend to come off as bustards when debating about politics. It's only natural ;)

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(Would have caused to much arguing)

i can understand what you are saying gareth. its people like bart who act totally irrational that make threads like this heated. at least you have sources and aren't prejudiced against the whole situation. besides anti globalism. if you know what i mean... at least you present them, whether or not i or others choose to take notice of them is our loss/gain.

Good.

 

Yes, Indeed.

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(Would have caused to much arguing)

 

hahaha. but now the argument will be why we would have argued in the first place any why you can show us it.... how dare you!? :P

did anyone see what was written? Is your response (huntjd) to what was written? :rolleyes:

hahaha. but now the argument will be why we would have argued in the first place any why you can show us it.... how dare you!? :P

 

Haha, well it was a quote from Menachem Begin (Leader of the opposition in Isreal From 1948 to 1977)

 

It would have annoyed some people too much.

 

I didn't know how accurate it was so I dropped it.

nah i didnt see. but i'm gonna go looking for Begin quotes on the net...

Well, I saw it as part of a video.

i think i know more or less what you're talking about...

i can understand what you are saying gareth. its people like bart who act totally irrational that make threads like this heated. at least you have sources and aren't prejudiced against the whole situation. besides anti globalism. if you know what i mean... at least you present them' date=' whether or not i or others choose to take notice of them is our loss/gain.[/quote']

 

 

I think Daryl just wants to 'fit in' somewhere.... lol

 

--I for one appreciate Gareth's efforts, he's allowed me to further question certain events that have taken place in my own backyard.. and perhaps allowed me to see truths that I didn't want to see...

daryl?

I don't want to ruin this "happy ending" for this thread, but there are still some things I don't agree with you GazeboflossUK...sorry

I don't want to ruin this "happy ending" for this thread' date=' but there are still some things I don't agree with you GazeboflossUK...sorry[/quote']

 

I don't think anyone expected you to agree with him on everything, so I don't get how that could possibly be ruining a happy ending. :)

You know.. She never gave out a name.

 

And your point is? She didnt have to. But it all remains the same, she tries to use her age to better her arguments and use my age against me, when she acts like a child.

^I wasn't referring to you Einstein.... :dozey: but if the shoe fits..... :nice:

 

 

huntjd: Daryl is 'bart'.. ;) which by the way Nick.. could very well be the person whom I was referring to..... OR not.. :P lol you're the one with 'crazy kid' on their user profile!! :lol:

 

carry on...

^I wasn't referring to you Einstein.... :dozey: but if the shoe fits..... :nice:

 

 

huntjd: Daryl is 'bart'.. ;) which by the way Nick.. could very well be the person whom I was referring to..... OR not.. :P lol you're the one with 'crazy kid' on their user profile!! :lol:

 

carry on...

 

Yes and he happens to be awesome, not crazy. bit goofy but not crazy. but anyone with a mind could tell who you were talking about....

you think bart is awesome??? :stunned: I am sure he'll be chuffed to know you feel that way... lol

Hezbollah politicians back peace package

 

By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer 27 minutes ago

 

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah politicians, while expressing reservations, have joined their critics in the government in agreeing to a peace package that includes strengthening an international force in south Lebanon and disarming the guerrillas, the government said.

 

The agreement — reached after a heated six-hour Cabinet meeting — was the first time that Hezbollah has signed onto a proposal for ending the crisis that includes the deploying of international forces.

 

The package falls short of American and Israeli demands in that it calls for an immediate cease-fire before working out details of a force and includes other conditions.

 

But European Union officials said Friday the proposals form a basis for an agreement, increasing the pressure on the United States to call for a cease-fire.

 

President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Friday they too want an international force dispatched quickly to the Mideast but said any plan to end the fighting — to have a lasting effect — must address long-running regional disputes.

 

"This is a moment of intense conflict in the Middle East," Bush said after his meeting with Blair in Washington. "Yet our aim is to turn it into a moment of opportunity and a chance for broader change in the region."

 

By signing onto the peace proposals, Hezbollah gave Western-backed Prime Minister Fuad Saniora a boost in future negotiations.

 

Going into Thursday night's Cabinet session, Hezbollah's two ministers expressed deep reservations about the force and its mandate, fearing it could turn against their guerrillas.

 

"Will the international force be a deterrent one and used against who?" officials who attended the Cabinet meeting said in summing up Hezbollah cabinet ministers concerns. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the debate.

 

But afterward, Information Minister Ghazi Aridi announced that the package had been agreed on by consensus in a rare show of unity by a divided administration.

 

While all sides seemed to be looking for a way to stop the fighting, details of plans taking shape on all sides were still fuzzy. And it was not at all certain Hezbollah would really follow through on the Lebanese government plan that would effectively abolish the militants' military wing. It may have signed on to the deal convinced that

Israel would reject it.

 

But the agreement presents Secretary of State

Condoleezza Rice with a package she might find hard to ignore when she returns to the region.

 

The plan approved by the Cabinet was an outline that Saniora presented at an international conference in Rome on Wednesday.

 

It starts out with an immediate cease-fire. Following that would come:

 

• the release of Lebanese and Israeli prisoners; Israeli withdrawal behind the border; the return of Lebanese displaced by the fighting.

 

• moves to resolve the status of Chebaa Farms, a small piece of land held by Israel and claimed by Lebanon. The proposal calls for the U.N. Security Council to commit to putting the area under U.N. control until a final demarcation of the border.

 

• the provision by Israel of maps of minefields laid during its 18-year occupation of the south.

 

• "the spreading of Lebanese government authority over the entire country," meaning the deployment of the Lebanese army in the south, with the strengthening and increasing of the small, lightly armed U.N. peacekeeping force currently there.

 

The provisions do not spell out the order in which the steps must take place, but Saniora has said the government cannot spread its authority in the south unless the Chebaa farms issue is resolved. Israel's hold on Chebaa has provided Hezbollah with a rationale to maintain its arsenal and its "resistance" against Israel.

 

U.N. experts have previously determined that the territory is part of

Syria's Golan Heights, now held by Israel. But Syria has said the patch of land is Lebanon's.

 

Also left undetermined is the contentious issue of the size and mandate of a peacekeeping force in the south. The current nearly 2,000-member force, deployed since 1978, is virtually ineffectual and its main task now is to patrol the Blue Line, monitor and report violations and deliver aid. Four U.N. border observers were killed in an Israeli airstrike this week.

 

The Lebanese government has previously rejected international demands that it disarm Hezbollah and move the army into the south. Without Hezbollah consent, the move could tear the country apart due to the movement's deep support among Shiite Muslims.

 

The rare united stand between Hezbollah and anti-Syrian politicians who dominate the government could give Lebanon a stronger say in any resolution of the conflict. A divided government may encourage unilateral U.N. Security Council action on the Lebanon crisis without consulting Beirut.

 

Visiting EU envoys, led by Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, met Friday with Saniora and parliament speaker Nabih Berri, the de facto negotiator for Hezbollah.

 

Tuomioja, representing the EU Finnish presidency, said the troika appreciated the Lebanese government's plan which "we think forms a good basis for a regional agreement."

 

 

 

 

Terrorists want peace huh? Looks like someone deserves an apology.

hmmm I don't know.... this all seems so 'out of the ordinary'.. something just doesn't seem right.. but I hope its not all a ploy...

Eh this whole conflict's been nothing but a ploy...:\ I really hope this is true. I really do; I WANT it to be.

you think bart is awesome??? :stunned: I am sure he'll be chuffed to know you feel that way... lol

 

Who doesnt think he's awesome?

Hello YamiMarik 528!

And, in synopsis, where do we stand? The Golan Heights might be a bit contentious, as it's a high spot whereby Hezbollah's rockets and mortars can rain down from (and have!). And, I think revolutionaries will always be revolutionaries. I wish I could believe we could obtain lasting peace in the region, but I would be happy with just a lot less severe warfare. 650,000 refugees - that's a lot for so small an area! And, I don't know if the US is willing to commit troops. Public opinion's against it, and the mid-terms are just around the corner. If what's here can be believed, it sounds encouraging.

What is your read on this??

Sincerely,

-Chuck

Hello YamiMarik 528!

And, in synopsis, where do we stand? The Golan Heights might be a bit contentious, as it's a high spot whereby Hezbollah's rockets and mortars can rain down from (and have!). And, I think revolutionaries will always be revolutionaries. I wish I could believe we could obtain lasting peace in the region, but I would be happy with just a lot less severe warfare. 650,000 refugees - that's a lot for so small an area! And, I don't know if the US is willing to commit troops. Public opinion's against it, and the mid-terms are just around the corner. If what's here can be believed, it sounds encouraging.

What is your read on this??

Sincerely,

-Chuck

 

Its refreshing to see such an articulate person around here.