The Official Club Football 2014-2015 thread

[mc_squared]

He does have a point Mark, you do excel at making comments and then not backing them with any logic or reasoning.

 

Getting wound up because someone takes the p*ss out of your beloved football team is neither logical nor reasonable, so go figure.................. :rolleyes:

[a_face_of_light]

I'm not talking about Football teams, I'm talking about in general, such as in the Christmas Lights thread, the point I made in that thread still stands, though I'm guessing you just ignored it as you do with anything that's actually remotly challenging to answer.

[mc_squared]

I'm not talking about Football teams, I'm talking about in general, such as in the Christmas Lights thread, the point I made in that thread still stands, though I'm guessing you just ignored it as you do with anything that's actually remotly challenging to answer.

 

If I considered your "point" to be facetious, I will quite rightly have ignored it. I think you also tend to over-analyse things way too much.:dozey:

[a_face_of_light]

No you ignored it because you didn't have the ability to answer, and like I said in the other thread you can't generally make a coherent point without someone else to come along first and make it for you.

[mc_squared]

No you ignored it because you didn't have the ability to answer, and like I said in the other thread you can't generally make a coherent point without someone else to come along first and make it for you.

 

Which as I have pointed out on numerous occasions in the past, is an extremely patronising thing to say, and an erroneous assumption.

There is no compulsion for anyone to qualify every comment they make. Most comments should be taken with the proverbial pinch of salt, but I suspect the vast majority of people know that anyway.;)

[Bonus_mosher]

Guys.... guys.... seriously? fighting on the internet?

you're both nice guys, lets not cross the line from 'Banter' to 'Malice'

:)

[mc_squared]

Guys.... guys.... seriously? fighting on the internet?

you're both nice guys, lets not cross the line from 'Banter' to 'Malice'

:)

 

I don't think any line has been crossed. People just need to stop making erroneous assumptions, that's all.

Nobody has to answer any question or qualify any comment they make if they don't want to. End of story.:dozey:

[Reilly]

It doesn't prove anything at all, and as I have already pointed out, you're wrong.:smug:

 

Once again, totally wrong.:rolleyes:

 

Once again, totally wrong. You have a great habit of making totally erroneous assumptions.:rolleyes:

 

You write this in 2 posts, and then:

 

The only one going round in circles is you (as usual).

 

Are you joking? You honestly felt that I was the only one getting repetitive? After writing 2 practically identical fucking posts?

 

I said WE are going around in circles because I am also repeating myself in some hope that the point I've made finally gets through to you.

 

You might think you know people better than they do themselves' date=' but the simple fact of the matter is, you [i']don't.:smug:[/i]

 

Would you stop blowing things out of proportion? I never said I think I know you better then yourself, stop talking shit that wastes my time replying to it.

 

My point applies to any football fan, not just you, if someone only shows support for their team when they are in the top league but then dodges the issue of who they support when the teams in the lower leagues, it's pathetic.

 

You may officially be a supporter, you may go to matches, but you are only proud of your team when they are in the big league.

 

We are both blatantly going in circles, and that has been your fault, from my first post I told you that I understand that Charlton aren't having matches of notoriety means you clearly won't bring them up in here, but you used it as your excuse, I told you that wasn't the issue, and you brought it up again, I did it again and finally you just shutup because you've probably realised that you were dodging the issue of supporting your own club which apparently you are proud to support. From then you just wrote 'You're wrong :smug:' and nothing else because well- I'm right.

 

You can simply repeat yourself and call me 'wrong' and say I'm making erroneous assumptions now, I'm done.

[mc_squared]

 

You can simply repeat yourself and call me 'wrong' and say I'm making erroneous assumptions now, I'm done.

 

Good. Then perhaps you have finally decided to stop making erroneous assumptions, which is a step in the right direction.

 

Incidentally, if your team is playing sh*t, it's ridiculous to be "proud" of them for that, as they clearly don't deserve it, and you are clearly then applauding mediocrity.

That's just as bad as totally deserting them for doing that.

Neither option is acceptable.

[Navegador]

Incidentally, if your team is playing sh*t, it's ridiculous to be "proud" of them for that, as they clearly don't deserve it, and you are clearly then applauding mediocrity.

That's just as bad as totally deserting them for doing that.

Neither option is acceptable.

You have to separate CLUB and SQUAD. Club is the institution itself, and you must always be proud of supporting it. Squad is the set of players they might REPRESENT while playing. You are entitled to your opinion about the current squad of your team, but you don't stop supporting a CLUB only 'cause their current squad is shit.

[mc_squared]

You have to separate CLUB and SQUAD. Club is the institution itself, and you must always be proud of supporting it. Squad is the set of players they might REPRESENT while playing. You are entitled to your opinion about the current squad of your team, but you don't stop supporting a CLUB only 'cause their current squad is shit.

 

I was talking about the team of course. However, it would be equally ridiculous to be proud of a club if it was being badly run for some reason, or proven to be involved in some kind of nefarious activity.;)

[Navegador]

it would be equally ridiculous to be proud of a club if it was being badly run for some reason

You still have to be proud of the clud you support. You just need to be ashamed of the people that are running your club.

 

or proven to be involved in some kind of nefarious activity.;)

An institution can't get involved in nefarious activity by itself, people must use it for wrongful activity. You don't stop being proud of your club, you just need to be ashamed of the people that are using it for this purpose.

 

Just like I said, you don't EVER cease being proud of the club you support. You can hate its players, you can hate the people that run it, but you'll ALWAYS be proud of the club.

[mc_squared]

You still have to be proud of the clud you support. You just need to be ashamed of the people that are running your club.

 

 

An institution can't get involved in nefarious activity by itself, people must use it for wrongful activity. You don't stop being proud of your club, you just need to be ashamed of the people that are using it for this purpose.

 

Just like I said, you don't EVER cease being proud of the club you support. You can hate its players, you can hate the people that run it, but you'll ALWAYS be proud of the club.

 

I don't know how you can actually be "proud" of a name, which is basically what a club is, but I do take your point that any shame is actually attached to players or the people running a club, not the club itself.

But I think we pretty much agree, in that you shouldn't actually desert a club or turn against it because of the actions of either players or owners.;)

 

From a playing point of view, I could have got all excited about the fact my team won 5-1 away the other week, but ultimately I know the result was pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things, therefore there was no point in mentioning it, or even the fact the team managed to go undefeated for ten matches.

[Reilly]

It's so weird that your last posts were basically pointless, quoting me and going "You're wrong" and as soon as I say I'm dropping out of this conversation because all you keep doing is quoting me and going "You're wrong" you then pipe up with a further opinion because you have the safety net that I won't be responding, well I am.

 

Good. Then perhaps you have finally decided to stop making erroneous assumptions, which is a step in the right direction.

 

You have said you have the right to not respond to the question "What club do you support?" but you have not said why you chose not to answer it, my point is that you are ashamed to be a supporter of a club that isn't in the Premier League, up until now, you have given no indication of why my 'erroneous assumption' is incorrect, so until that happens it is an assumption, not an erroneous one, it could either be correct or incorrect. Like I've said too many times, if any football fan wants to talk about their club a lot of they are in the Premier League, and then once they get relegated they don't want to EVER talk about them at all whatsoever, and when asked who they support they choose not to answer, then they are are not a proud supporter of their football team.

 

Incidentally, if your team is playing sh*t, it's ridiculous to be "proud" of them for that, as they clearly don't deserve it, and you are clearly then applauding mediocrity.

That's just as bad as totally deserting them for doing that.

Neither option is acceptable.

 

For a match, of course, but this isn't about a match, it's about a person who is a supporter of a football club but is ashamed of supporting them.

[mc_squared]

It's so weird that your last posts were basically pointless, quoting me and going "You're wrong" and as soon as I say I'm dropping out of this conversation because all you keep doing is quoting me and going "You're wrong" you then pipe up with a further opinion because you have the safety net that I won't be responding, well I am.

 

A pity, but I can't say I'm surprised.:dozey:

 

 

 

You have said you have the right to not respond to the question "What club do you support?" but you have not said why you chose not to answer it, my point is that you are ashamed to be a supporter of a club that isn't in the Premier League, up until now, you have given no indication of why my 'erroneous assumption' is incorrect, so until that happens it is an assumption, not an erroneous one, it could either be correct or incorrect. Like I've said too many times, if any football fan wants to talk about their club a lot of they are in the Premier League, and then once they get relegated they don't want to EVER talk about them at all whatsoever, and when asked who they support they choose not to answer, then they are are not a proud supporter of their football team.

For a match, of course, but this isn't about a match, it's about a person who is a supporter of a football club but is ashamed of supporting them.

 

That was pretty much a waste of time, as I've already told you, you're wrong, therefore your assumption was indeed erroneous. No further explanation is needed.:dozey:

[Reilly]

Why did you even bother replying? There was nothing to add there whatsoever.

 

You can say I'm wrong but what does that mean? Absolutely nothing. I could just as easily say that you are 'wrong' but some people like to back up a statement with some form of reasoning, I know you hate reasoning and logic but luckily that's not how everyone works.

 

If you are happy having convinced nobody that you aren't ashamed of supporting Charlton, then carry on like that in your own mind and don't bother responding telling me for the 5th or 6th time that I'm simply "wrong" and it's an erroneous assumption with no reason given for it.

[BerrymanGirl1]

Roma is amazing! The Milan-Roma game was great!

[mc_squared]

Why did you even bother replying? There was nothing to add there whatsoever.

 

You can say I'm wrong but what does that mean? Absolutely nothing. I could just as easily say that you are 'wrong' but some people like to back up a statement with some form of reasoning, I know you hate reasoning and logic but luckily that's not how everyone works.

 

If you are happy having convinced nobody that you aren't ashamed of supporting Charlton, then carry on like that in your own mind and don't bother responding telling me for the 5th or 6th time that I'm simply "wrong" and it's an erroneous assumption with no reason given for it.

 

The reason I know you're wrong is because I'm not ashamed of supporting them, never have been, and never will. Therefore there is nothing more to say on the matter.:dozey:

[Reilly]

The reason I know you're wrong is because I'm not ashamed of supporting them, never have been, and never will. Therefore there is nothing more to say on the matter.:dozey:

 

Well I'm not sure if you noticed, or did notice and preferred not to, but I've brought up the point of you ignoring the question "Who do you support" because you are ashamed of supporting the club you used to talk about constantly on this forum when they were in the Premier League.

 

I only brought up this point about 23 billion times, and you succeeded in dragging the argument in different ways that were never relevant (As I had already said that it's understandable that you don't talk about them as much because they aren't of the notoriety of other clubs discussed in this thread- among many other things) but now we return to my original point, if you are asked what club you support, and you don't want to answer (As you said, you have every right not to answer but you choose not to) then you are ashamed of your club.

 

With regards to the quote I used at the top this post, I've already responded to it:

 

If you are happy having convinced nobody that you aren't ashamed of supporting Charlton' date=' then carry on like that in your own mind and don't bother responding telling me for the 5th or 6th time that I'm simply "wrong" and it's an erroneous assumption with no reason given for it[/quote']

 

Again, if you have nothing else to add to the argument except for simply stating that you are not ashamed of your club and that I'm definitely wrong, and unless you have some sort of reason as to why you avoided answering which club you support when directly asked, then please have nothing more to say on the matter.

 

You hate Spurs fans for being glory hunters and over ambitious, but at least they'd still stand by their club if they ended up in the lower leagues. The former is definitely a lot more ethical then wanting to forget your club exists around other people.

[Navegador]

The reason I know you're wrong is because I'm not ashamed of supporting them, never have been, and never will. Therefore there is nothing more to say on the matter.:dozey:

You being or not ashamed of supporting Charlton are both conclusions. Reilly defends the conclusion that you're ashamed of it with premises. When a premise defends a conclusion, you have an argument.

 

Reilly has coined many arguments, all of them with the same conclusion. If you want to discuss (remembering that the objective of a discussion is convincing your adversary that you're right), it's time for you to create your own set of arguments (you only stated conclusions, without premises, thus not creating arguments. If you don't want to convince anyone, don't, but be aware that it'd make Reilly right for everybody that is watching this discussion.

[mc_squared]

Well I'm not sure if you noticed, or did notice and preferred not to, but I've brought up the point of you ignoring the question "Who do you support" because you are ashamed of supporting the club you used to talk about constantly on this forum when they were in the Premier League.

 

I only brought up this point about 23 billion times, and you succeeded in dragging the argument in different ways that were never relevant (As I had already said that it's understandable that you don't talk about them as much because they aren't of the notoriety of other clubs discussed in this thread- among many other things) but now we return to my original point, if you are asked what club you support, and you don't want to answer (As you said, you have every right not to answer but you choose not to) then you are ashamed of your club.

 

As I've also said about 23 billion times, you're wrong, therefore anything you have to say on the matter is completely irrelevant.:rolleyes:

I do not have to justify in any shape or form why I might choose not to talk about any team, whether I happen to support them or not.

 

 

Again, if you have nothing else to add to the argument except for simply stating that you are not ashamed of your club and that I'm definitely wrong, and unless you have some sort of reason as to why you avoided answering which club you support when directly asked, then please have nothing more to say on the matter.

 

Then please drop the matter.:rolleyes:

 

 

 

You hate Spurs fans for being glory hunters and over ambitious, but at least they'd still stand by their club if they ended up in the lower leagues.

 

That is entirely hypothetical, but I am of the opinion there would be a lot of deserters, based on the fact most of them think the sun shines out of their team's nether regions.:dozey:

[mc_squared]

You being or not ashamed of supporting Charlton are both conclusions. Reilly defends the conclusion that you're ashamed of it with premises. When a premise defends a conclusion, you have an argument.

 

Reilly has coined many arguments, all of them with the same conclusion. If you want to discuss (remembering that the objective of a discussion is convincing your adversary that you're right), it's time for you to create your own set of arguments (you only stated conclusions, without premises, thus not creating arguments. If you don't want to convince anyone, don't, but be aware that it'd make Reilly right for everybody that is watching this discussion.

 

Only those that are convinced by totally erroneous assumptions, therefore I wouldn't have any respect for their opinions anyway.:rolleyes:

[Reilly]

As I've also said about 23 billion times, you're wrong, therefore anything you have to say on the matter is completely irrelevant.:rolleyes:

I do not have to justify in any shape or form why I might choose not to talk about any team, whether I happen to support them or not.

 

Indeed you have said about 23 billion times, but I acknowledged what you said, you still haven't acknowledged what I've said 23 billion times.

 

You are continually missing the point, I have acknowledged before that you do indeed have the right to choose whether or not you talk about whatever, or as you put the same point you made before (THIS is the reason we're going in circles- you) you have the choice whether or not to tell us what team you support.

 

My point- AGAIN- you chose not to, you ignored the question.

 

Now we've been through this already, you think I'm wrong (What's the fucking point of even saying that in a debate? Obviously you think I'm wrong otherwise you wouldn't be be arguing your point which opposes mine) and you have the right not to say what club you support:

 

BUT WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO AVOID THE QUESTION OF WHAT TEAM YOU SUPPORT UNLESS YOU ARE ASHAMED OF SUPPORTING THEM

 

Just in case you aren't aware, you also have the right to avoid any question like these; how ya doin? hows the weather? Anyone would answer those questions of course. But choosing to avoid the question of what team you support implies that you aren't proud of supporting your team.

 

Only those that are convinced by totally erroneous assumptions' date=' therefore I wouldn't have any respect for their opinions anyway.[/quote']

 

Here you have only considered the last sentence of her post, and ignored the rest, yknow- the bits you hate, about having reasons behind what you say. You keep saying I'm wrong, but you don't give reasons for it, you keep squirming away from the issue, but it's still there, you avoided the question of what team you support, why?! You are ashamed, and a total bullshitter.

 

In terms of your response, you haven't proved why they are erroneous assumptions. Like I said, my assumptions are neither correct or incorrect, but they are definitely not erroneous unless proven otherwise, and you have failed to do that, so until you do that they are not erroneous.

[Navegador]

Only those that are convinced by totally erroneous assumptions, therefore I wouldn't have any respect for their opinions anyway.:rolleyes:

You being you probably knows the right answer, but we (outsiders) don't. Reilly made a good point, and unless you manage to show WITH ARGUMENTS that he's wrong, we'll think he's right. If you don't care about that, fine.

[mc_squared]

you think I'm wrong

 

Incorrect. I know you're wrong, seeing as I'm the one who would know if I was ashamed of my team or not. Big difference.:dozey:

 

 

Just in case you aren't aware, you also have the right to avoid any question like these; how ya doin? hows the weather? Anyone would answer those questions of course. But choosing to avoid the question of what team you support implies that you aren't proud of supporting your team.

 

No it doesn't. That's just your misinterpretation.:rolleyes:

 

Here you have only considered the last sentence of her post, and ignored the rest, yknow- the bits you hate, about having reasons behind what you say. You keep saying I'm wrong, but you don't give reasons for it.

 

Because I don't need to.

 

In terms of your response, you haven't proved why they are erroneous assumptions. Like I said, my assumptions are neither correct or incorrect, but they are definitely not erroneous unless proven otherwise, and you have failed to do that, so until you do that they are not erroneous.

 

I'm afraid they are. You will just have to accept that.;)