chuck kottke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 ^ But we're talking about areas where many people are on benefits so they'd be better off if they didn't live with their partner, no? I think it's more a matter of rebellious youth, feeling like they're on the outside, perhaps placing great value on what they see going on elsewhere in the world, and acting out as a result of a feeling that the government is working against the working class and simply for the elites. At least that's what I sense might be it, or provides them an excuse to try the things they are doing. The moods and modes of thought at the moment appear unclear. So they attack places that cater to those who are a bit better off, or take revenge on certain establishments for reasons unknown. Just speculating, something's fueling all this - What is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I think it's more a matter of rebellious youth, feeling like they're on the outside, perhaps placing great value on what they see going on elsewhere in the world, and acting out as a result of a feeling that the government is working against the working class and simply for the elites. At least that's what I sense might be it, or provides them an excuse to try the things they are doing. The moods and modes of thought at the moment appear unclear. So they attack places that cater to those who are a bit better off, or take revenge on certain establishments for reasons unknown. Just speculating, something's fueling all this - What is? Yeah I wasn't suggesting that it's the reason for the riots. I'm sure many of them don't feel represented by the government and they wanna show they're discontent. They don't seem to be attacking symbolic places though, they're mostly looting random shops and destroying their own neighbourhoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Rioting in Bristol now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yeah I wasn't suggesting that it's the reason for the riots. I'm sure many of them don't feel represented by the government and they wanna show they're discontent. They don't seem to be attacking symbolic places though, they're mostly looting random shops and destroying their own neighbourhoods. Oh o.k. Kind of a combination of protest and looting, which is usually the case here. Yeah, unfortunate for the shopkeepers in those places, they're not to blame really, how sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video?intcmp=239 This is quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video?intcmp=239 This is quite interesting. Remembering stories I've heard.. Back when Greg was a Beat Poet in Chicago, I remembering him saying something about the city - they used to open the matinees up and show non-stop cartoons for the youth, otherwise they'd all get bored and start thinking of ways to get into trouble... So why did they close the clubs? Saving money?? Ah, I remember the kids here when I was young... the apple dumpling gang. Bored kids on bikes, no parents around, with ideas.. and whatever popped into their heads, sometimes it wasn't the right thing to do! Generally less trouble to get into here though... generally that is. Kids need places to hang out, fun activities to do! That's just a shame they closed the youth clubs, and many knew what would result. Interesting yes. Just listening to it, towards the end.." Need jobs, got no money, looking to take something from someone else because they don't have it.." - yes, clearly there's the economic problem as well. Jobs are needed, they want work, somehow there ought to be a means to offer some work for pay in slow times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IloveChris Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 edit: Violence has spread to Camden now. Imagine if they crashed the Coldplay studios there?! I know, I thought about that too when I heard and I have no idea how I'm gonna get to work tomorrow. Must be absolutely devastating for those people who have been affected, it's absolutely disgusting seeing people doing this just because they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancyk58 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I have just seen the news from Danish TV2 News and then also read the latest on text-Tv from TV2 News: A man has been SHOT!! I read more about it on text-TV citing Sky News: A 26-year-old man was shot last night in Croydon in South London when he was sitting in his car. Today he died at the hospital from his wounds & injuries. Really awful. There was a clip with the British PM saying that he condemned all violence and he expressed sympathy with all those affected including with the shop owners who might have lost their livelihood. 6,,000 policemen were in the streets of London last night. Tonight there will be 16,000 in the streets. Fine I thought, but policemen are also needed elsewhere as well as I understand that riots have spread to BIRMINGHAM, BRISTOL, MANCHESTER and LIVERPOOL. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14460554 9 August 2011 Last updated at 12:35 GMT Parliament recalled to tackle riots - David Cameron Parliament is being recalled on Thursday in response to rioting in England, the prime minister has said. The government's emergency committee Cobra met on Tuesday after rioting spread across London, with violence flaring in other major cities. "We will do everything necessary to restore order to Britain's streets and make them safe for the law-abiding," David Cameron said in Downing Street. More than 16,000 officers will be on London streets on Wednesday, he said." and "Meanwhile, Scotland Yard said a 26-year-old man found shot in a car in Croydon, amid rioting in the town, had died in hospital. Mr Cameron met officers in the Met Police's Gold command in Lambeth on Tuesday afternoon. He condemned the "sickening scenes of people looting, vandalising, thieving, robbing", which the Met Police said had resulted in 525 arrests and more than 100 people being charged. He told rioters: "You will feel the full force of the law. And if you are old enough to commit these crimes, you are old enough to face the punishment." The recall of Parliament will allow MPs to "stand together in condemnation of these crimes and to stand together in determination to rebuild these communities", he said." "Birmingham, Liverpool, Nottingham and Bristol are among the other cities where violence broke out." Read more using the link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Anyone seen Sky News and the footage of a bloody and bruised innocent man confroted by the youths who proceed to steal from his ruck sack while he is dazed and helpless? Awful footage. Also England's match against the Netherlands at Wembley has been cancelled. England v India in the cricket to start tomorrow in Birmingham is still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy_o Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Anyone seen Sky News and the footage of a bloody and bruised innocent man confroted by the youths who proceed to steal from his ruck sack while he is dazed and helpless? Awful footage. That poor kid is Malaysian, he's my collegemate's best friend. That poor kid thought he was being helped by those guys but instead he got robbed. What a heartless robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Anyone seen Sky News and the footage of a bloody and bruised innocent man confroted by the youths who proceed to steal from his ruck sack while he is dazed and helpless? Awful footage. Also England's match against the Netherlands at Wembley has been cancelled. England v India in the cricket to start tomorrow in Birmingham is still on. I've seen it, it must have been terrifying. My friend told me that they tried to break into several houses where her mum lives. I haven't left the house all day, it said on the BBC website that the main road by mine should be avoided and they've looted some shops there apparently. I really hope the Liverpool game will be cancelled if the situation doesn't get any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyan Kat Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I saw that it was awful :wreck: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Remembering stories I've heard.. Back when Greg was a Beat Poet in Chicago, I remembering him saying something about the city - they used to open the matinees up and show non-stop cartoons for the youth, otherwise they'd all get bored and start thinking of ways to get into trouble... So why did they close the clubs? Saving money?? Ah, I remember the kids here when I was young... the apple dumpling gang. Bored kids on bikes, no parents around, with ideas.. and whatever popped into their heads, sometimes it wasn't the right thing to do! Generally less trouble to get into here though... generally that is. Kids need places to hang out, fun activities to do! That's just a shame they closed the youth clubs, and many knew what would result. Interesting yes. Just listening to it, towards the end.." Need jobs, got no money, looking to take something from someone else because they don't have it.." - yes, clearly there's the economic problem as well. Jobs are needed, they want work, somehow there ought to be a means to offer some work for pay in slow times. They do. The job situation is very difficult around here, I've been looking for full-time work all summer and I haven't anything and I've got a degree and quite a lot work experience. I don't wanna know what like if you leave school with no qualifications... Still I can't believe this is actually happening. Many of them are very young (like 10, 12 year old) and they're destroying their own neighbourhoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_escapist Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 hopefully everything will be alright soon enough! take care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldplay_is_louve. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Really sad stuff. My friend hasn't been out of the house since Thursday. I really wish everyone could just calm down and stop taking out their anger on innocent people.... and buildings. :sad:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 There was violence in Manchester and Salford for the first time just a couple of hours ago. All the shopping centres are now closed early. I fear they will return later to smash them up :dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancyk58 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 There was violence in Manchester and Salford for the first time just a couple of hours ago. All the shopping centres are now closed early. I fear they will return later to smash them up :dozey: Is all this happening very close to where you are living? And what about your brother - does he live in Manchester too? Please take care, all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffire Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Thank goodness business owners aren't allowed to have guns to defend themselves and their property! Quick! Call the police! They'll be here in 2 hours! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirajlyons Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 This is sad. The riots are not getting better, there getting worse :(. this is bad for london :'(. I knw one thing, chris martin, johnny buckland, will champion, or guy won't be going home any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Is all this happening very close to where you are living? And what about your brother - does he live in Manchester too? Please take care, all of you.don't worry none of us are anywhere near town or shopping centres This is salford right now according to twitter, even before 7pm http://twitpic.com/63jdnz/full :thumbsdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Thank goodness business owners aren't allowed to have guns to defend themselves and their property! Quick! Call the police! They'll be here in 2 hours! :laugh: I bet you wouldn't be laughing if this was happening in your area!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffire Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 It wouldn't happen in my area because thugs here are afraid of being shot. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x7W-K0eMw0]'London needs army to crush thugs - call back Afghan troops' - YouTube[/ame] Time for the government to really crack down! Show em who's boss! I wonder how much all this is costing taxpayers? They could probably have cut a check to each of the rioters on the condition they stayed home at night, and I'm sure many of them would have taken that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Hope you see my point though. I work in retail and I'm on late sometime this week and I'm proper scared that someone's gonna try and loot our shop because we're short-staffed in the evening. Also been advised not to leave the house because my area isn't safe. It really annoys me when people when people make stupid jokes about it. By the way I don't think it would improve the situation if shop owners were allowed to have guns. It would probably only cause more violence on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The Apple Store in L1 today :lol: Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Manchester now http://yfrog.com/ke339dkj http://twitpic.com/63iu0g http://yfrog.com/kkxqyrgj http://yfrog.com/hsf1ponj 2000 :o decended on manchester city centre now according to the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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