why

Because music is more complicated I guess

 

And musicians are more ~tortured~ or something

 

hi Dee

Because music is more complicated I guess

 

And musicians are more ~tortured~ or something

 

hi Dee

But in writing, you're thinking about every second of the script, every emotion evoked by hearing a line or seeing a facial expression. It's the same amount of attention given.

 

hi Brent :heart:

deja vu

^ woaah :surprised:

i have written maybe 5 songs this year and they've all sucked i could totally understand taking 3 years to write an album

and most of the albums end up bad in the end

we ain't talking about Sherlock eh?

because tv writers dont go on worldwide tours for 2 years and have a gap year they just write stuff.

Because musicians don't write 45 minutes of music, they make a lot more things that get dropped.

i have written maybe 5 songs this year and they've all sucked i could totally understand taking 3 years to write an album

I've written five albums and they all sucked

because tv writers dont go on worldwide tours for 2 years and have a gap year they just write stuff.

They lead nearly if not the same busy life as musicians; they don't sit on their ass all day.

 

:huh:

* montage of Hurley sitting on a beach listening to a song, while the camera pans over to various other characters on the set of Lost whilst said music continues to play in the background*

 

That took me 30 seconds to write, yet took up 2 minutes of airtime.

 

TA DA

musicians are lazy

The three years you're referring to seems to be for Coldplay.

 

I don't know how the hell they spent three years on Mylo Xyloto, a rather unremarkable album (in my opinion), whilst the Beatles churned out an album a year in the 60s.

 

Horses for courses I guess.

The three years you're referring to seems to be for Coldplay.

 

I don't know how the hell they spent three years on Mylo Xyloto, a rather unremarkable album (in my opinion), whilst the Beatles churned out an album a year in the 60s.

 

Horses for courses I guess.

 

The time interval between VLVODAAHF and MX wasn't entirely spent making what we now know is MX. It envolved a lot of starting things a-new, scraping and rewriting stuff.

 

I don't know enough to make comparisons, but I think this may apply in general: time intervals between albuns aren't spent in its entirety in the making of a follow-up album. Then, when the album is released, the band will spend an awful lot of time promoting it, as Cyan Kat said. Again, I don't know what sort of things TV writers are supposed to do, but when they finish creating something, it's generally not them who will take the stage and make it come to life, whereas it's true for a touring band, I guess.

 

So all in all, it might be that it's not really a difference in the nature of what musicians and TV writers have to do, but what they do besides this.

The three years you're referring to seems to be for Coldplay.

 

I don't know how the hell they spent three years on Mylo Xyloto, a rather unremarkable album (in my opinion), whilst the Beatles churned out an album a year in the 60s.

 

Horses for courses I guess.

Not just Coldplay, but the majority of modern bands today. It takes them 2-4 years to put out an album. Pop music is different, more like an album every year or two, but the material aside from the singles is useless and not worth listening to, majority of the time.

 

The Beatles didn't like to tour as far as I know, so I can see that as being a factor for making so many albums.

Not just Coldplay, but the majority of modern bands today. It takes them 2-4 years to put out an album. Pop music is different, more like an album every year or two, but the material aside from the singles is useless and not worth listening to, majority of the time.

 

The Beatles didn't like to tour as far as I know, so I can see that as being a factor.

 

And in the pop music scene, one song has usually 10+ writers.

* montage of Hurley sitting on a beach listening to a song, while the camera pans over to various other characters on the set of Lost whilst said music continues to play in the background*

 

That took me 30 seconds to write, yet took up 2 minutes of airtime.

 

TA DA

Good. Now write the other 898 minutes (15 hours in a season, just an example).

I should re-write along the lines of what that the banned poster put down here, and it's sarcastic but true- and so obvious I didn't bother responding to this thread but he put it well: "Why expect the same result from 2 incomparable things."

 

The only reason I can think of that you can't understand the difference is that you haven't tried writing music, everyone has probably tried writing a story at some point through school, or at least imagine plot lines, but with music you can spend an infinite amount of time worrying over a 20 second bridge or solo and getting it right, and that's just for a start.

 

To be fair, it is hard to explain exactly why it's so different, but this line of thought makes art sound like inefficient factory work.

I don't know how the hell they spent three years on Mylo Xyloto, a rather unremarkable album (in my opinion), whilst the Beatles churned out an album a year in the 60s.

 

the music industry was veeeeery different back then i don't think it's fair to make that comparison

 

but the material aside from the singles is useless and not worth listening to, majority of the time.

that is so wrong

"Why expect the same result from 2 incomparable things."

A pretty skewed version of 'incomparable' that is imo: they're similar tasks that are done. Demanding fields that require artistic vision at a deadline. You spend the majority of the day promoting the product and spreading the word about it, the remaining few hours you try to churn out something new.

 

Sure, this category fits in a lot of things, but they are still indeed comparable.

 

Nothing wrong with saying that, the person who said that first, but personally I'm just losing all my interest in listening to grown people who would rather be bitter and sarcastic about everything than using their head to engage in a (admittedly) slightly interesting discussion.

The only reason I can think of that you can't understand the difference is that you haven't tried writing music, everyone has probably tried writing a story at some point through school, or at least imagine plot lines, but with music you can spend an infinite amount of time worrying over a 20 second bridge or solo and getting it right, and that's just for a start.

Valid points there, thanks.

 

But what's not to say that you can spend a lot of time worrying about the way a character dresses, the type of life they live, the little decisions they make throughout the course of the show? I've been reading a book about scriptwriting and it surprised me how much time he devoted to thinking about all the insignificant qualities about each character, to the point where it just blurred into his real life. Even something like giving the wrong name to a character doesn't quite make them feel quite how it should, and he even felt like he could never quite write a character as he should after being asked to rename them.

 

I get your point that people generally have more experience with writing, but I think a college level scriptwriting class, for example, is not just a glorified version of sixth grade writing class. It's something a lot more complex, something around as complex as writing a song.

 

that is so wrong

Majority of mainstream pop albums today aren't filler?

There is much more to writing and recording music than meets the eye. Not only do you have to get the song written, but the whole process is incredibly tedious. You have to record, produce, mix, master and then release it. Just getting the right arrangement is tough. Also 3 years to write 45 mins isn't fair considering that many of the songs can be written quickly, but arranging them and recording them takes longer.

 

Have you tried to record your own music?

Have you tried to record your own music?

Nah, I've written songs but not recorded them. I was just curious what people would input, because a lot of you have experience in the music industry or know what it's like to write music seriously.

 

Thanks for your reply btw, really full of insight.

Nah, I've written songs but not recorded them. I was just curious what people would input, because a lot of you have experience in the music industry or know what it's like to write music seriously.

 

Thanks for your reply btw, really full of insight.

 

ok cool... yeah I was just interested to see.

 

 

I think many times it can be easy for people to wonder how it takes so long for someone to release an album. I know I've done it many times. But I think it's a much more in depth process than people think it is, not to mention that musicians have lives. Also it's not exactly 3 years too, considering bands tour for usually at least a year or two after an album release.

 

Also it might be a bit more easier to write tv shows too because many times writers get help, and also typically outside of writing an episode it leaves their hands and the tv company then takes over in filming, producing, and editing which is easier.

 

 

I think a better comparison would be to compare recording an album with making a movie.

Majority of mainstream pop albums today aren't filler?

 

well yes a lot of it is filler but some of this filler is actually a lot more interesting than the singles. songs that aren't really made to be widely consumed so they have a little more experimentation

 

ie Rihanna - Loveeeeeee Song or Usher - What Happened To U