I talk shit about Coldplay

[Nettie]

Wouldn't it be cool if they visited the boards....

 

They have such a great sense of humour, I think they'd take everything we do/say with a great pinch of salt. :lol:

 

Maybe even join in.

[kekita]

If you are an avid music lover (in general) you should be able to see that the musical integrity of the band might be in jeopardy..

 

or it could be vice versa im an avid music lover and i see them as just trying something new if it doesn't work or they don't like it they will try something else...its very dangerous to try to model your music around what fans want etc.

that said its also dangerous to never provide positive criticism about a band.

 

if you all continue to slag each other off in rude and disrespectful ways.. I'll lock this thread.. now play nice! Have an opinion.. just keep in mind to be respectful.

 

rightly said :cool: we should be open minded about different issues especially if they have reasonable points as to why :thumbsup:

[kekita]

Wouldn't it be cool if they visited the boards....

 

They have such a great sense of humour, I think they'd take everything we do/say with a great pinch of salt.

 

Maybe even join in.

 

:lol: they will reak havoc on us all :stunned:

[Nettie]

No...

 

No one takes the piss out of Coldplay more than themselves... :lol:

[kekita]

^ :lol: so true, they don't need critics...

[berrywoman]

If you are an avid music lover (in general) you should be able to see that the musical integrity of the band might be in jeopardy..

 

or it could be vice versa im an avid music lover and i see them as just trying something new if it doesn't work or they don't like it they will try something else...its very dangerous to try to model your music around what fans want etc.

that said its also dangerous to never provide positive criticism about a band.

 

if you all continue to slag each other off in rude and disrespectful ways.. I'll lock this thread.. now play nice! Have an opinion.. just keep in mind to be respectful.

 

rightly said :cool: we should be open minded about different issues especially if they have reasonable points as to why :thumbsup:

 

I never said they should model their music around fans.. I am all for trying new things and evolving bands... clearly this wasn't it. You can see the evolution from Parachutes to AROBTTH, those albums sound nothing like each other.. yet they held the constent warmth of the lyrics.. they were much more 'heart felt'... this one was a struggling work in progress... and I don't doubt the next album will blow the others away.... I am looking forward to it... touring does the band a worl of good for their creative sides...

[kekita]

You can see the evolution from Parachutes to AROBTTH, those albums sound nothing like each other.. yet they held the constent warmth of the lyrics.. they were much more 'heart felt'... this one was a struggling work in progress...

yeah you putting it that way makes a lot of sense, especially the warmth of the lyrics ( i also thought x andy lacked that warmth)and i like the way you described it as a struggling work in progress.

 

sori not trying to put words in your mouth

I never said they should model their music around fans

i generalised there.

[berrywoman]

ahhhhh!! ;)

[kekita]

:) ... :lol: i guess alot of people just feel criticism of their fav band is like an attack on them, themselves...when my sister first heard X and Y she totally HATED it! she thought it was over produced(i admit it is a tad) and "artificial" it was saddening for me cause i kinda felt we were drifting and we always shared music together... i would listen to her Metal music and yet when i put on X and Y everyone ran out of the room like it was some contagious disease :cry: :lol:

 

Edit: i guess alot of people just feel criticism of their fav band is like an attack on them, themselves (this is a generalisation also maybe this is not the case)

[Nettie]

No, I agree. I'd take it personally.

 

I'm always 'inflicting' Coldplay on my nieces. Trying to bring them over to the Dark Side... :lol:

 

[*Nettie runs off to make Star Wars themed fun pix...*]

[berrywoman]

I know what you mean... lol

 

whilst waiting in line all day 3 weeks ago for the final Interpol gig... (before they took a break) -these guys walk past the line and ask amongst themselves.. "whos playing here tonight?? Oh Interpol.. they arent even that great..." the entire line (about 30 of us at the time) gasped!! We wanted to hurt that bloke! :lol:

[Nettie]

You should have hurt that bloke...

 

They were great at Crystal Palace... :cool:

[kekita]

I'm always 'inflicting' Coldplay on my nieces. Trying to bring them over to the Dark Side...

Ha ha at first i was decent and never played X & Y on the Stereo in the lounge but i kept on playing it over and over on my stereo * my sister went bonkers*

now i play it full volume...she is slowly but surely coming round MUAHHHA

[kekita]

I know what you mean... lol

 

whilst waiting in line all day 3 weeks ago for the final Interpol gig... (before they took a break) -these guys walk past the line and ask amongst themselves.. "whos playing here tonight?? Oh Interpol.. they arent even that great..." the entire line (about 30 of us at the time) gasped!! We wanted to hurt that bloke! :lol:

 

:stunned: how rude :angry:

 

let me handle it , i'll hurt him good...

[Nettie]

I'm always 'inflicting' Coldplay on my nieces. Trying to bring them over to the Dark Side...

Ha ha at first i was decent and never played X & Y on the Stereo in the lounge but i kept on playing it over and over on my stereo * my sister went bonkers*

now i play it full volume...she is slowly but surely coming round MUAHHHA

 

:lol: :cool:

[StephBerryman]

What about some people who've only heard the album recently, i.e. didn't go out and get the album for some reason or other until recently?

 

Oh, i'm not ruling those people out...i know there are still people who are just discovering Coldplay and their new album.

 

Some of us are concerned about what we perceive as the over-commercialisation of the band.

 

Yes, they are commercial and popular...that's why i hate the media. I really feel that when a band becomes too popular, it's not the band's fault....it's all the hype surrounding the album that makes it over-commercialized. I don't like it when people say an album and/or band is too commercial as if that 's a bad thing..as if they are selling themselves...it just means more people are realizing what a great band coldplay is.

 

maybe you could help us with our conundrum by offering another point of view about where Coldplay are heading and why (some clear evidence would help too)

 

I think they want to keep improving as musicians so they are going to try out new sounds, which of course means they will lose fans...it's funny because they've said in interviews that they've moved past their 'Parachutes' and pre-parachutes days...they were just starting out and they are not as confident about those songs as much as 'X&Y'. That's one of the many reasons why they don't play their old songs in concerts.

 

In terms of lyrics....Chris has said many times that his lyrics are just feelings...they are not meant to analyze, so in future albums, his lyrics will be pretty much that: just feelings.

 

I feel that with their 4th album they will lose their 'Parachutes' and pre-parachutes fans.

[kekita]

:stunned: sounds nostradamus-esque

[coldplay_steph]

Yes' date=' they are commercial and popular...that's why i hate the media. I really feel that when a band becomes too popular, it's not the band's fault....it's all the hype surrounding the album that makes it over-commercialized. I don't like it when people say an album and/or band is too commercial as if that 's a bad thing..as if they are selling themselves...it just means more people are realizing what a great band coldplay is. [/quote']

 

I totally agree. As long as they dont change because of the huge media attention they are now getting (ie. let it go to their heads) then its not a bad thing, and it's also not their fault. They can try as hard as they like to stay away from being 'too commercial' (eg. all wearing plain black clothes, avoid talking about their personal lives, turning down huge amounts of money from big companies who want to use their songs in advertisements) but it wont work. As long as they are growing as a band and in my opinion, getting better, they are going to get more and more popular with the media and therefore more commercial.

[Nettie]

Amen! :cool:

[Shiraz]

Yeah, there's still this one kid who always comes up behind me and goes "I loooove Coldplay I go home and cry and listen to them. Then I listen to them some more. And all I do is cry because the music is SOOO beautiful! *sob*"

 

Mocking me. I hate it.

 

I think we should have a seperate area of this forum entitled "Let's all love Coldplay! " and another area titled "Let's all rag on Coldplay!". It'd make my life a lot easier, instead of scrolling through all the threads that are devoted to one of the two.

 

:snore:

 

danielle, i truly feel what you feel about being mocked because of coldplay...but not just coldplay, u2. in my art class, since it is at an advanced level(college level, i get college credits for taking it) we are allowed to do what we want, so to ispire myself, i bring music. as many of you can imagine, coldplay is a big part of my life so i listen to them. in this class we are assigned in groups, and the people in my group, as soon as they got hold of my ipod(those nosy bastards) just to see what my musical taste was..they were impressed by my huge coldplay collection, and my u2 collection as well(not as big). they started commeting on that movie 40 year old virgin, saying how chris is a crackhead because he is too happy, how their music is nonsense and that MTF is just a publicity stunt. they also said that u2 should retire and coldplay should do the same early.

now everytime i see them, although i hang out with them all, they always slip a comment of being a "save the earth" followers, mocking me for liking bands that actually care for this world and those who live in.

 

 

sorry if i wrote to much...i just needed to say how much it angers me people taling shit about coldplay. no other band in this world is as criticized nowdays... :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

Yes, there are so many more. Linkin Park are definitely more hated than Coldplay. So are Staind (mainly by the media, though). So was Creed before they broke up. So was Nirvana, which this messageboard incidentally has a passionate dislike for. And many other "overrated", "overplayed", "talentless" bands who just so happen to make great music ehich may not be to everyone's satisfaction. If you don't like a band, don't slam them unless people ask you if you like 'em or not.

[patsy]

I want to be gwineth paltrow... :P I

Oh...oh me voy a morir... i cant believe it

ja,ja. :lol:

[gentleparachute]

Yes, they are commercial and popular...that's why i hate the media. I really feel that when a band becomes too popular, it's not the band's fault....it's all the hype surrounding the album that makes it over-commercialized. I don't like it when people say an album and/or band is too commercial as if that 's a bad thing..as if they are selling themselves...it just means more people are realizing what a great band coldplay is.

 

I know I am being harsh to Coldplay by saying this, but they can (or rather could have) prevented the over-hype... They signed themselves unto a huge label EMI and allowed the whole media machine linked to EMI to go into overdrive. Option 1: they could have opted to switch labels. Option 2: they could have played against EMI efforts to hype-up X&Y.

 

Which brings me to the second point...

 

I think they want to keep improving as musicians so they are going to try out new sounds, which of course means they will lose fans...it's funny because they've said in interviews that they've moved past their 'Parachutes' and pre-parachutes days...they were just starting out and they are not as confident about those songs as much as 'X&Y'. That's one of the many reasons why they don't play their old songs in concerts.

 

In terms of lyrics....Chris has said many times that his lyrics are just feelings...they are not meant to analyze, so in future albums, his lyrics will be pretty much that: just feelings.

 

I feel that with their 4th album they will lose their 'Parachutes' and pre-parachutes fans.

 

It is good that Coldplay are ambitious. As they have said on various occasions, they want to improve their craft and try out new sounds; also I think there is an eagerness to see how 'big' they can get as a band. No harm there, I think most fans will allow them that (even if they use hype to become commercial behemoths). But, they need to be consistent in their actions, in line with what they've said. Fans have made hell over X&Y not because Coldplay have changed their style, but because they have either a) let standards slip; or b) mis-stepped a bit in the marketing department.

 

On X&Y not being up to mark... they've always said they will only release stuff that's good music. X&Y is quite good, but only quite (compared to their previous efforts). Weak points: overproduction, some lyrics of questionable quality, inconsistency blah blah blah... In short, it's not quite up to expectations. All these point to the album being rushed out despite taking 1 1/2 years to make... Well, if they needed more time to grow into it, they should've taken more time :rolleyes: Also, Will has said 2 things are important to them: melody and emotion. X&Y has lots of beautiful melodies, but the emotion is suspect at times, mostly due to Chris' lyrics and melodies (the others do play their hearts out).

 

Assuming that the band did not do these things deliberately, then these are signs that the band is not having everything under control, thus the concern of long-standing fans (or in fact any music fan who has an appreciation for good music)...

 

There is an alternative explanation: that they did deliberately want the 'weak points' in X&Y but they got their marketing side wrong. If X&Y is viewed as a concept album about 'the tension of opposites' as Chris has explained it, then all the so-called weak points would meld seamlessly into the album. If this is the case, then why didn't they take that tack with the media in publicising the album? Was it because they wanted to sell more albums and knew that this tack would work less well? Were they somehow 'forced' by EMI to take this tack? Did they feel so insecure about how the album would sell that they took the tack that would sell the most? Or do they truly not care about people's perception to X&Y and opinions of them as a band? etc...

 

Now, you see how rabidly and genuinely some of us fans feel for this band? :rolleyes: To us, it's not a simple 'X&Y is good, so be happy...' kinda thing, it's the perception that they could have done better with X&Y that bothers us... Just listen to them in concert playing the X&Y songs, they sound better in those 'weak' areas compared to the album versions. The fourth album will not lose them their pre-Parachutes / Parachutes fans due to changes in sound... Fans may leave if they continue churning out stuff that is not worthy of what they're capable of. Now, people like me probably need to go get a life instead of ruminating over how our favourite band may have sold-out :rolleyes: :lol:

[The Reckoner 00]

The fourth album will not lose them their pre-Parachutes / Parachutes fans due to changes in sound... Fans may leave if they continue churning out stuff that is not worthy of what they're capable of.

 

Spot on.

[berrywoman]

here here!! *raises glass* well said!

[StephBerryman]

gentleparachute, I agree with what you feel are the weak points of the album.

 

When you say that if Coldplay didn't feel the album was up to par, they should have taken more time....well, they missed two or more deadlines...(maybe they should have missed more :lol: )

 

Speaking of over-hype, EMI publicly admitted that profits for the first quarter dropped because Coldplay's album was delayed. Not only are they over-hyping the album, but that's immense pressure on the band if your record company single-handledly places blame on just your band. you're right...maybe they should change labels.

 

The reason why i think coldplay will lose their pre-parachutes and Parachutes fans due to change of sound is because of other bands that have experimented with their sound that lost fans. I think these bands are still extremely talented, for example, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, but people were not happy with the new phase. Even with U2, when they released 'Zooropa', fans weren't too happy with the whole discopop sound. Granted, i didn't like this phase as well, but i commended them for expanding their scope.