I like Coldplay talked about Joe Satriani's case... Great Coldplay!! :)

The boys' statement is good :smiley: Seriously why doesn't it strike anyone as fishy that Joe announces it going legal after they get nominated for a Grammy for it. If he really felt THAT "saddened" by it he'd have launched the legal case earlier.

How big do you guys think this whole thing will get?

Pretty big unfortunately.

 

Coldplay is a Marmite band. People either love them, or hate them intensely (for whatever reasons). The latter group seem to have a very vocal contingient who love running Coldplay down and will jump on any little thing just so they can have a dig. This is why I think this will beome a BIG thing, just because some people won't want to leave it alone.

 

I can understand not liking a band - I dislike lots of bands, but never to the degree of all this.

 

I agree there should be some kind of looking at the law. There's got to be a law protecting artists for sure, but when you're looking at in this light, where the chord progression and the notes that are similar is such a short phrase, then there's only so many ways phrases like this can be produced. I don't want to get to a state where people can't write songs using, say G D and C in progression because someone else did it first.

Pretty big unfortunately.

 

Coldplay is a Marmite band.

 

Dude, get on the Vegemite band! Everyone loves vegemite! :laugh3:

 

I think the band's response was very professional, but I am unsure as to what we can take from their statement. In my view, I believe the band and their management believe this is going to be a really serious case that , unfortunately coincidently occurred, and they don't really want to give anything away at the moment as to their stance on the whole situation.

 

I do get the vibe they are gearing up for one hell of a case, whether I love Coldplay or not.

 

And as an oasis fan, its nice to see another band not wanting to 'start a scrap'!!!

But it is entertaining.

The boys' statement is good :smiley: Seriously why doesn't it strike anyone as fishy that Joe announces it going legal after they get nominated for a Grammy for it. If he really felt THAT "saddened" by it he'd have launched the legal case earlier.

 

 

i think he did..if you look at the yahoo gig chris said that he was bring sued by...and then he sed a name that rhymes with Mo Batriani...and that was back in october (i think) way b4 grammys were announced

THAT is what really piss me off...!! If they want a piece of music, they would have done like they did for Talk & Kraftwerk...but people in general don't know that... :\

 

Plus I think that Satriani is really a gold digger here... The song is out for mooonths and it's just now (grammy nominations...) that he claims is been copied...Com'on that sounds soooo fishy?!! Free publicity and some money, he's really have good motives.... why anybody else can see that??

 

i agree......n then he says stuff like "It was like a dagger went thru my heart"

Who uses such theatrical sentences????

Ppl who cant see thru his stunt are idiots

Dude, get on the Vegemite band! Everyone loves vegemite! :laugh3:

Aww, I like Vegemite too :p

 

It's just a statement of acknowledgement. They had no choice when Mr. Satriani started saying they hadn't responded. It can't say a lot if it's all in the hands of the lawyers.

Chris Martin should speak out about lawsuit

 

I'm just a newbie here, but I think Chris Martin should speak out. I read Joe Satriani's interview on MusicRadar and Chris should give his side of the story. The statement the band put out last night seemed like something a lawyer put together. It wasn't the band's words.

 

I'm just saying. Disagree? Agree?

They're the defendant. There isn't much that Coldplay could say publicly without it potentially being used against them in court. One misplaced word could lose the case. And we all know how well people (ie the press) understand when Chris tries to explain something... "OH NO! COLDPLAY ARE SPLITTING UP!!!" "But I just said I was working hard right now!?"

 

Welcome to legal land. :dozey: It's a strange, counterintuitive, and often unfair place, and Coldplay will be living there for a while.

I'm just a newbie here, but I think Chris Martin should speak out. I read Joe Satriani's interview on MusicRadar and Chris should give his side of the story. The statement the band put out last night seemed like something a lawyer put together. It wasn't the band's words.

 

I'm just saying. Disagree? Agree?

 

I think that's the serious, smart Coldplay speaking... Not the witty, funny one. :P sounded more like Will and less like Chris :P

 

Peace and Love!!!

I think the statement from yesterday should suffice, after all JS accused Coldplay of plagiarism, not Chris Martin....

I think the statement from yesterday should suffice, after all JS accused Coldplay of plagiarism, not Chris Martin....

 

Agreed. And I hate how the media would attack Chris regarding the issue and not the band as a whole. They all blame Chris.

 

Uh... to the media:

Chris is not the only Coldplay member, fyi.

Uh... to the media:

Chris is not the only Coldplay member, fyi.

 

:laugh3:

That fact is obviously too difficult for them to grasp!

I hate when they talk about coldplay and they just mention chris ¬¬

Uh... to the media:

Chris is not the only Coldplay member, fyi.

 

 

exactly!!Chris is not the band.They all write and produce the songs

exactly!!Chris is not the band.They all write and produce the songs

 

Regardless, he just looks silly not responding. Joe Satriani gave a very thoughtful, reasoned interview on the subject. Coldplay should do the same and not call him "Mo Batriani." That just makes them look childish.

I don't think they should.Satriani is the one looking a bit ridiculous.It shouldn't be done public like that.One statement is sufficient.The Mo Batriani thing was funny though.At least Chris is having a laugh

I agree... coldplay doesn't really need more publicity... I couldn't say the same for Satriani.. it's just a way for him to get more money selling more cd's because of this

Chris should not say anything. I think the statement was polite and reserved and the rest should be dealt with by lawyers. To his credit Mr Satirani does seem to be taking issue with the whole band, not just Chris, but the press will pounce on anything Chris says, then twist it.

 

There was an interview the other day where they were talking about musical influences. Guy said they didn't want to just keep making the same song time and again "we don't want to plagerise ourselves" Then Chris cracked a joke about the music that influences them and said something like "we're enthusiastic plagerists"

 

I wanted to scream at my computer - it's just his sense of humour, but you can imagine the other sides lawyers cutting that quote out of the paper.

 

Chris should keep quiet and wait to defend himself in court... if it gets that far!

^^

he gave a very thoughtful,reasoned interview???

REALLY??

I agree why should Chris give an explanation? They are a BAND

he was very close of saying something in that yahoo gig but he knew it would be a mistake so he said she shouldn't...show how they know what to say and what not to say.

Coldplay lawsuit raises questions about music copyright

 

Satriani has been quoted as saying he heard his song in Coldplay's hit single in an instant.

 

Is it theft, borrowing, unconscious plagiarism or sheer coincidence? The multimillion album selling rock band Coldplay is being taken to court over allegations it pinched a tune by US guitarist Joe Satriani.

 

Satriani claims British band Coldplay's song Viva la Vida is a direct rip-off of his melody If I Could Fly and he wants any and all profits from the Coldplay hit.

 

But Coldplay says any similarities are pure coincidence.

 

For Satriani, If I Could Fly was a love letter to his wife, a song that took him more than a decade to compose before it was finally recorded in 2004.

 

For Coldplay, Viva la Vida, released this year, has earned them a handful Grammy nominations and now legal action in a Californian court.

 

Satriani has been quoted as saying he heard his song in Coldplay's hit single in an instant.

 

"I felt like a dagger went right through my heart. It hurt so much. The second I heard it, I knew it was my own, If I Could Fly," he said.

 

"Almost immediately, from the minute their song came out, my e-mail box flooded with people going, 'Have you heard this song by Coldplay? They ripped you off man.'

 

"I mean, I couldn't tell you how many e-mails I received. Everybody noticed the similarities between the songs. It's pretty obvious."

 

The two songs have been overlayed on the video sharing website YouTube just to prove the point. Coldplay says any similarity is entirely coincidental and that Satriani did not write or have any influence on their song.

 

Regardless, Satriani's legal team claims a substantial portion of the song has been copied and they are pursuing any and all of the profits from the Coldplay chart-topper.

 

Music critic with the Sydney Morning Herald Bruce Elder says proving a copyright breach is fraught for musicians - big and small.

 

"Somebody who is a relatively small fish in the grand scheme of things is saying to a very, very big fish you have taken what rightfully belongs to me and I want some kind of recompense," he said.

 

"It is almost impossible to define what constitutes plagiarism in music, particularly in popular music, because there are so many songs that are very similar.

 

"I mean all you have to do is listen to a very old classic which is the Archies' Sugar, Sugar and I believe that the chord progression in Sugar, Sugar has been used in something like 20 or 30 other pop songs."

 

'Subconscious' copyright

 

But when it comes to other pop songs, copying is nothing new.

 

Perhaps most famously, the Beatles' George Harrison was forced to pay almost $1 million in royalties after a court found he had subconsciously copied The Chiffons's He's So Fine.

 

And eyebrows were raised at the similarities between the opening bass line bars of The Jam's song Start and the Beatles' Taxman, but in that case The Jam's Paul Weller admitted to being under the influence of the Beatles.

 

Copyright Lawyer Michael Easton from Brett Oaten Solicitors explains how damages might be assessed in the Coldplay case.

 

"[You need to assess if] there's any kind of culpability on the defendant's part. So if it's agreed that they subconsciously infringed then that might be something that reduces damages," he said.

 

"But you'd also look at things like the extent to which the market for the original work's been affected and what kind of profits the defendant made as a result of the infringement.

 

"Another aspect which is often significant in these cases is looking at the likelihood that the writer, the defendant, was exposed to the original song. So the question might come down to a case of whether [singer] Chris Martin has a Joe Satriani album in his collection."

 

And that makes composing increasingly tricky for artists, says Elder.

 

"The average musician is a fairly nerdy kind of person who is very, very interested in music and listens to a lot of it and presumably have a vast amount of music swimming around in their head," he said.

 

"And if this is the case, they can often stumble on something and say, well I don't know where I got that but it sounds pretty good and I'm going to make a song out of it.

 

"If there is some kind of huge settlement in favour of Joe Satriani, then it really does create a situation where other writers are going to be saying 'I wonder whether I'm plagiarising something. 'How am I going to prove to people that I haven't been plagiarising this?'."

 

http://www.abc.net.au

ugh....... i detest reading the Satriani quotes....... :sick:

 

But great article, thanxx Ian :thumbsup:

No reason for him or any of the boys to give any sort of interview about it.

The statement was enough, and they have no need to continue defending themselves as they would end up looking as ridiculous as Satriani has. Unlike him, the boys don't want to make a circus out of this. ;)

^ I agree, he could do with a little less drama in his quotes.