August 16, 201114 yr I would have been a major disappointment to see them at the festivals but with no new songs being played. My only hope is that they reserved the best ones for the Mylo Xyloto release. I disagree here. I'd have killed for a best-of set before they had too many songs to be sure to still include all my old favourites. But that's not going to happen. And I wished to be surprised by a completely new album, you know, getting the CD out of the box/sleeve, putting it in the stereo, and hearing Hurts Like Heaven for the first time ever. Now I know that's not going to happen either. But that's the whole point, they would have been criticised no matter what. I, along with others, happen to be on the losing end this time (just like so many times before :p). They can't please everyone at the same time, and they shouldn't even try if you ask me. Get well soon Debs :)
August 16, 201114 yr ^^ basically that, this time I'm not pleased, but hey ho, it was bound to happen sometimes, it's not the end of the world, I'm sure if the album is worth it, excitement will come out in due time :) I also wanted to quote one of Chelsea's post from another thread but I can't find it edit: I know I'm late and the debate is over, but this is great :clap:. In my opinion, they've just become a completely different band than the one I first fell in love with. While I love both, I love them both for very different reasons, and I prefer the older manifestation. I understand they will never and should never come out with another Parachutes or AROBTTH and that bands grow and change, I preferred everything about the first half of their career--especially their business and promo decisions, which seemed much more music-oriented than "let's get bigger and make more money"-oriented (which I think is mostly fueled by people that aren't in the band itself, but still). Are there people from their camp that check this board and maybe report the occasional highlights/lowlights back to them? Definitely, we know that to be true. Does that mean we should only say nice things? That's insane. Fairly-minded debate and criticism is what places like this should be for, no matter who's watching. And if anyone for a second thinks positivity or negativity about TITLES or ALBUM ART from a fanboard is really going to completely change their tact in any direction...I think you should refer back to what Chris said recently about simply wanting to create something that people can ENJOY. They have their own ideas about how to best go about that these days and I have mine, but as long as they still create music I enjoy in some form and continue to be the people I believe them to be, I'm still going to consider myself a big fan of theirs even if I have my gripes about how they do what they do.
August 16, 201114 yr . . . And I wished to be surprised by a completely new album, you know, getting the CD out of the box/sleeve, putting it in the stereo, and hearing Hurts Like Heaven for the first time ever. Now I know that's not going to happen either. But that's the whole point, they would have been criticised no matter what. I, along with others, happen to be on the losing end this time (just like so many times before :p). They can't please everyone at the same time, and they shouldn't even try if you ask me. Get well soon Debs :) My feelings exactly. As I said, I'm very happy that they played some new songs this summer, I just wish they hadn't played quite so many :shrug:
August 16, 201114 yr Beautiful post by ApproximatelyInfinite up there. And I concur with the fact that they played too many new songs.
August 16, 201114 yr I just find it really hard to believe that out of the hundred songs they did, only a few made it.. only 13? After 2 and a half years of making new songs..
August 16, 201114 yr Well, nobody forced you to listen to the new songs, you could have waited. As a fellow Kanye fan, I didn't listen to the songs that he was previewing. Once MBDTF was released I pick it up and listen to the whole body of work. Because I know Kanye albums are better than his singles. I think I'll also take a week break from Coldplay before the album is released :)
August 16, 201114 yr Also the studio and Live versions won't be the same, you'll know the lyrics but it will have a different feel.
August 16, 201114 yr Well, nobody forced you to listen to the new songs, you could have waited. It's easy to say it like that. But it would have been fairly impossible.
August 16, 201114 yr Not So Fast Based on the plethora of questions thrown around at the band regarding tracklistings and whatnot and will the festival songs make the album, I get the feeling that even if they don't make the album we will still get studio recordings of the lot of them. Coldplay, as always, have been extra secretive about the going-ons of the album but in their interviews they suggest that these tracks are all important, even down the the ones that won't make the cut. I have this suspicion that we will get more than jsut an album release within the next year or so. Maybe another EP or two? Or maybe it's just wishful thinking.
August 16, 201114 yr Let's meet back here on October 24th/25th... x If Mylo Xyloto (I love the title!) is really going to be as epic as I think coldplaying.com will break down. ;) But of course: See you later and best wishes to you!
August 16, 201114 yr Let's meet back here on October 24th/25th... x It's a date! Does this mean the studio versions will be different from the live recordings. I guess we are in for a surprise. Or does it mean that some of the live songs are not on the tracklist? Maybe only Charlie Brown will make the final cut?
August 16, 201114 yr If Mylo Xyloto (I love the title!) is really going to be as epic as I think coldplaying.com will break down. ;) But of course: See you later and best wishes to you! This site even broke down during the festivals...
August 16, 201114 yr I don't mind because I look forward to hearing the studio versions of the new songs, it will be almost like hearing a new song. I actually try to imagine what the studio version would sound like by listening to the live version lol! Can't really blame the promotion strategy, it makes more business sense to them to cater towards the needs of the casual fans and non fans to make an effort to expand the fanbase. It looks like it has payed off so far and if Paradise is a bigger success than ETIAW which should be considering ETIAW has built more hype up then it will be a huge success of an album.
August 16, 201114 yr as far as i'm concerned i went slightly out of my way to hear these new songs. i basically listened to them knowing full well that it might make the album experience less fresh and new. i definitely haven't worn any of the new songs out, as i never put them into itunes or on my ipod, but i already know them extremely well at their core level. i don't necessarily think it's a bad idea for the band to do what they did, but i think it certainly takes a bit out of the va-voom out of the official release. i'll do my best not to listen to any of the songs for the next two months (i think i can safely do that), but i'm hoping that paradise is released with a b-side of some sort, as that will make it a lot easier. i think there's something to releasing one single, if not two (with the second one being the BIG one), before the album, but i do think the fact that this promotion has sort of been a long period of minimal day to day promotion isn't the best way to go about it. there's a middle ground between just throwing out your album one day out of the blue and extremely slowly getting the word out, and i think that's the best place for a big band to be. the summer festival circuit may not be conducive to that, but i think two months before the eventual release is the best time to really put anything out there. it makes the teasing less excruciating...
August 16, 201114 yr ^ It doesn't take the 'va-voom' out of the release if we haven't heard the best songs yet! :P I think one of the main reasons I'm excited for the album's release is hearing songs I haven't heard before that might be epic (along with the studio versions of the songs I have listened to).
August 16, 201114 yr Denise already quoted my post from another thread that I was planning to quote :lol:! As usual, I have a lot to say (and this is RIDICULOUSLY long), so this is in a spoiler :rolleyes: :P Re: the live songs...there is absolutely no way avoid gripes from the fanbase no matter which way they chose to go. Back when we thought that the festival shows wouldn't include ANY new material, people were up in arms about that. Now that we know and have heard otherwise, people are a bit disappointed (by the fact that they were played--the opinions of the actual songs are another matter). As someone said earlier, damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they hadn't, us serious fans would have been less exited about just another "routine" sort of show from them, but because they have, us same serious fans are now feeling a bit spoiled for what's to come. I'm personally of both minds. While I wouldn't trade my experience of seeing the new songs live at Oxegen last month and while I feel all wiggly and happy when they come up on my iPod unexpectedly because they're new songs (and I really enjoy them all as we know them now, even the polarising ETIAW)...I'm somewhat less excited for the album because I know I've heard a large chunk of it in some form. Moreover, I'm just not a fan in general of hearing a new song in a live version for the first time--to me, studio versions always rule (except in the case of Major Minus :P), and I'm against debuting new songs live on stubborn personal preference, no matter the artist. The thing about all this that makes me feel like a hypocrite is the fact that I'm a leak-listener (though only for the two bands that rule my heart: Coldplay and The Strokes, the rest I wait for). Technically, VLV was "spoiled" for me when I listened to the leaked tracks and the full leak a few weeks before physical release, as was The Strokes' latest album this year. But because album leaks usually happen only a few weeks before release and because they're studio versions, I don't feel spoiled at all, I feel like it's a welcome yet slightly-early reprieve to end the pain of waiting for Christmas. With the way things have gone with the MX songs so far, with us hearing them far before we concretely knew when the album would be out and in a different manifestation than what they will officially be presented as, to me it feels like I have been a bit spoiled, like Christmas came in August before it was even really in my mind to be excited about it rather than on December 12, when it's all I'm thinking about. I'm really not convinced that the old, traditional model is as dead as Dave Holmes thinks it is (via the Billboard article), at least not yet. My ~extremely expert~ theory is that the new model he's trying out is most effective on a younger age group, maybe ages 12-17, born in the mid-90s and brought up with technology, who are used to instant gratification via the push of a button and not used to waiting for things or getting the rush out of the anticipation just as much as the final product (and who are very quick to move onto the next thing that takes their fancy soon after the first has initially struck). I think constant promotion via TV shows (especially new and "surprising" ones like he mentioned) and "over-exposure" will work very well on the younger, teenage set and gain a lot of new converts. But Coldplay has a very diverse fanbase, from young kids to seniors, and I think concentrating on the middle of the age group could leave the other ends of the spectrum cold, alienating or starting to alienate previously dedicated fans. As much as I still (and will probably always) love Coldplay and enjoy their music from all eras, as a "veteran" fan, I know I felt most comfortable and most "proud" of being a fan when the music is what spoke for itself the most, presented in the more traditional fashion, and not everybody and their dentist was seeing them on TV or in every magazine or on every website in carefully-chosen outfits and scenes every few days, which is what I worry will happen with this MX era based on what Holmes as said and how the VLV era went. I don't want to get tired of Coldplay, but I especially don't want EVERYONE to get tired of Coldplay, and as a kind of polarising band to begin with, I just hope the promo doesn't go overboard this time around in order to try and stay relevant to the widest swath of new fans.
August 16, 201114 yr ^ I completely agree! Kids my age, with the music accessibility now available, buy music like it's a hit of cocaine. People now focus on the singles and not the albums as a whole. I think Coldplay's just adjusting to the changing music industry. They released the ETIAW single to get everyone thinking about Coldplay again, and now they're playing new songs live. I think their benefit is starting early with this promo. Who knows, if Mylo Xyloto is good enough, every song could be a pop-magnet. So far Hurts Like Heaven, Charlie Brown, Princess Of China and ETIAW are getting people extremely excited because they're REALLY good. If their first decision is to release a single that we haven't even heard before, there must be some confidence in that single to get popular! And if the songs we've heard so far are any indication to how the album might end up, I have a lot of hope that Coldplay will not ruin their already outstanding reputation that Viva La Vida made with kids my age. (I can tell you right now a lot of kids became acquainted with Coldplay after that album was released).
August 16, 201114 yr ^ THIS. x938742399871349815373 Especially the bit about kids in my age group (high-schoolers). They have three thousand songs on their iPods, but there aren't two that are from the same album--and Viva la Vida is the only Coldplay song they know :blank:
August 16, 201114 yr I was reading the Billboard article and it says that David Holmes decided to get the new songs out early (as in live performances) to incite excitement, much like Kanye West did with MBDTF. However I'm finding this is doing the opposite for me, and was wondering if anyone was feeling the same? As a Kanye fan, I was disappointed when the new album was released and that I had heard about 6 out of 12 tracks. I wanted new, fresh songs, not songs I had been listening to for the past 3 months. Suffice to say, I think Dave Holmes has made a silly decision with this then. If we've already heard HLH, Charlie Brown, ETIAW, Major Minus, PoC and UATW, that's 6 songs out of 10-13. My excitement builds up when I hear nothing of the album until the single is released 4 weeks before hand and everything is new, unexpected and fresh. Am I the only one that has this mindset or am I just being a spoil sport? I'm a massive Kanye fan myself, and I've only recently been to seen him live. I find My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy to be the greatest hip-hop record of a generation, and a landmark in not only the genre but music. By playing the new songs live for a while, Kanye West could tweak, fiddle with and perfect the songs he had. I remember him saying that he works so hard on every tiny detail - which runs parallel to Will's "They'll have to prize it out our hands". You know what though, I would sacrifice six new songs for Coldplay to have an impact like Kanye's just had. I love them to pieces, and I want them to be as revered and successful as possible. I watched the Glasto performance on TV and it was a special thing. No one can take away the breathtaking moments of watching Charlie Brown and Hurts Like Heaven for the first time. So it's no biggie for me, knowing half the album.
August 16, 201114 yr The thing that saddens me is that even lots of young music enthusiasts are starting to move towards that too--they see the beauty of albums more than the average teenager, but they still go about finding and judging music based on the Generation-Y methods. I think everyone does that to a certain extent, and I think most major artists are probably going to need to adjust to that trend growing even more, but I just wonder what the best way is to adjust without alienating the rest of us. I feel like for the time being, there's probably some sort of median solution that could work for both types of music fans better than the "no surprises, quick delivery is the only way, more is better, look at us all over the place everywhere!" method. (I should note that I'm only 21 so I'm not too far off from that age group either, but I'm also pretty old-skool when it comes to this stuff :P)
August 16, 201114 yr ^ I totally see what you're saying... I don't know if any of the kids my age do this, but I find that IF three or four songs from the album are great, I'll buy the album as a whole. I did that with The Suburbs and Sigh No More. If I like one song from the same artist, I'm going to look for more good songs by them. I guess my question for you is this: Do you think other people my age do this?
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