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The NME is a dying brand, the magazine sales are falling every quarter, the website is the only thing going for it. A-class bands such as Muse & the Gallagher brothers make all the headlines, even if it's for non-news events, just to try and get the clicks.

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Can't stop listening to Muse lately.. :bomb:

 

I don't think he is. He's just honest and straight-talking.

 

Yup, an honest and straight-talking asshole. Still like his music though.

 

I think Liam is sorta more so.

 

Duh.

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I LOVE NME, if it's okay to express my opinion...

 

It's more than okay to love anything, and I read both their website and occasionally their magazine. They often cover great stories, compile stellar lists and I've found myself agreeing with every last letter of many a blog on their site. I simply do not agree with them on one thing.

 

The whole mentality of the magazine seems to be that creating divisions in music is okay. Creating sub-genres and sections of the population who should all listen to different things is the way to stoke a scene; indie kids should stick to indie music, all Coldplay fans are middle-aged and that Blur and Oasis fans should hate each other.

 

I take great offence to this; I believe all music should be unifying, and that there is no such thing as a guilty pleasure. I believe that people who don't listen to, shall we say, "artful" music should not be ostracised, but educated in the effort that goes into any genre of music. Every kid should be brought up to play an instrument. My sister used to have a terrible taste in music, to her own admission. I didn't disown her, I got her into Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay and Muse. Our next gig together is Radiohead.

 

If the NME agree with me, they don't show it. They have a "cool" list; if that's most superficial award in music, I don't know what is. It's the kind of thing you expect from Heat magazine.

 

(Sorry, I'm rather passionate on this subject.)

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I know I'm over a week late, but I've heard "Madness" for the first time just now.

 

My consensus: It's the worst Muse song I've heard in ages. Those of you who were convinced I just back Muse blindly can see now that this isn't the case. The "m-m-m-m-maaa-maaa" bit, the guitar solo in the middle, Matt backing himself by singing an octave higher towards the end, the general vibe of the song. Yeah, definitely not a fan.

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Scheduled for SNL on Ocotber 6th with host Daniel Craig :)

I think everyone knows my distaste for SNL in general by now. :dozey: The fact that it's rarely been funny in the last decade, the fact that every musical performance sounds awful no matter who's giving it thanks to crappy acoustics and not being able to use your own sound guys, the fact that SNL is considered the national benchmark for both celebrity and band exposure, etc.

I know I'm over a week late, but I've heard "Madness" for the first time just now.

 

My consensus: It's the worst Muse song I've heard in ages. Those of you who were convinced I just back Muse blindly can see now that this isn't the case. The "m-m-m-m-maaa-maaa" bit, the guitar solo in the middle, Matt backing himself by singing an octave higher towards the end, the general vibe of the song. Yeah, definitely not a fan.

On the contrary for me, Madness is proof for all the skeptics on this forum who doubt I can tolerate a band's shift in sound. Then again, I hate Survival and Unsustainable. :laugh3:

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I think everyone knows my distaste for SNL in general by now. :dozey: The fact that it's rarely been funny in the last decade, the fact that every musical performance sounds awful no matter who's giving it thanks to crappy acoustics and not being able to use your own sound guys, the fact that SNL is considered the national benchmark for both celebrity and band exposure, etc.

 

On the contrary for me, Madness is proof for all the skeptics on this forum who doubt I can tolerate a band's shift in sound. Then again, I hate Survival and Unsustainable. :laugh3:

 

I think you really have to judge SNL episode by episode. There will always be funny skits if you watch enough of it. although the age of poehler, ferrel, fallon, dratch, morgan, etc. is over, people like kristen wiig, jason sudekis, and andy samberg, have kept it alive through the past few years (even though two of them are leaving).

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The humor in SNL isn't a total wreck but the good sketches are sporadic. There are episodes that don't contain one funny sketch.

 

Agreed with your assessment of the actors, though. It seems many of them start to bloom on SNL and then move on to do way better non-SNL things. So the exposure method works successfully. Which is exactly why I wish the quality were more consistent.

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with Muse, but I guess that's nothing new for this thread. :P

^ It's weird how our tastes on the new songs are the exact opposite.

Yeah, usually our tastes are pretty similar...

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I know I'm over a week late, but I've heard "Madness" for the first time just now.

 

My consensus: It's the worst Muse song I've heard in ages. Those of you who were convinced I just back Muse blindly can see now that this isn't the case. The "m-m-m-m-maaa-maaa" bit, the guitar solo in the middle, Matt backing himself by singing an octave higher towards the end, the general vibe of the song. Yeah, definitely not a fan.

 

:nod:

 

I don't like it either.

 

I can't believe Michael does... There's something new for the books :dozey:

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Good to read I'm not the only who was disappointed with Madness. Some people seem to think it's the best the best thing they ever did. I just think it's 'mwah'.

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^Oh no, Chris Martin thinks it is the best thing Muse has ever done. I'm sure all of us here are in agreement that it's not.

 

It's just split people as to whether they like it or not.

 

I've been having an ongoing debate on NME.com with people about why it's not that great. A lot of people agree and some people are vocal on their disagreement. I am getting sick to death of them bandying around the terms of 'progressing forward' and 'stuck in the past'.

 

Yes, they are progressing forward to different musical areas, and I applaud bands for doing that. I would never want an OOS rehash. BUT when they progress forward and the writing and the music quality decreases, then I object.

 

And I'm not stuck in the past either. Again, I would accept and embrace a change if the music was still good... And this Muse is not good. It's sub-par. I loved the second Bombay Bicycle Club album despite it being folk compared to the first being pure indie... BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF THE NEW MUSIC WAS STILL GOOD.

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^Oh no, Chris Martin thinks it is the best thing Muse has ever done. I'm sure all of us here are in agreement that it's not.

 

It's just split people as to whether they like it or not.

 

I've been having an ongoing debate on NME.com with people about why it's not that great. A lot of people agree and some people are vocal on their disagreement. I am getting sick to death of them bandying around the terms of 'progressing forward' and 'stuck in the past'.

 

Yes, they are progressing forward to different musical areas, and I applaud bands for doing that. I would never want an OOS rehash. BUT when they progress forward and the writing and the music quality decreases, then I object.

 

And I'm not stuck in the past either. Again, I would accept and embrace a change if the music was still good... And this Muse is not good. It's sub-par. I loved the second Bombay Bicycle Club album despite it being folk compared to the first being pure indie... BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF THE NEW MUSIC WAS STILL GOOD.

 

I agree with everything you're saying, except this. This is the bit I'm struggling with. I don't think there's that much of a decrease. His lyrics have always been poor to average, his melodies just "there" to highlight his quite beautiful use of chords. The fact it's so sparse leaves them reeeally open on everything, but I don't think it's musically worse than (one from each) Undisclosed Desires, Supermassive Black Hole, Time Is Running Out, Hyper Music or Sunburn. And it's not lyrically worse than I Belong to You, Invincible, Hysteria, Plug In Baby or Unintended. Tried to pick some favourites here.

 

As for the progressing forward thing, people are giving them a break with this because they're doing something different. This is why Kid A is so revered, this is why The Beatles, Bowie and Blur are held in such high esteem, and why Be Here Now, The Resistance or X&Y aren't given the benefit of the doubt in hindsight. Clearly from what you've said, you judge music on its merit, not on its direction - which is good and what everyone should do - but there will always be those that praise/slate a band for changing direction, regardless of what the actual music sounds like.

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I agree with everything you're saying, except this. This is the bit I'm struggling with. I don't think there's that much of a decrease. His lyrics have always been poor to average, his melodies just "there" to highlight his quite beautiful use of chords. The fact it's so sparse leaves them reeeally open on everything, but I don't think it's musically worse than (one from each) Undisclosed Desires, Supermassive Black Hole, Time Is Running Out, Hyper Music or Sunburn. And it's not lyrically worse than I Belong to You, Invincible, Hysteria, Plug In Baby or Unintended. Tried to pick some favourites here.

 

As for the progressing forward thing, people are giving them a break with this because they're doing something different. This is why Kid A is so revered, this is why The Beatles, Bowie and Blur are held in such high esteem, and why Be Here Now, The Resistance or X&Y aren't given the benefit of the doubt in hindsight. Clearly from what you've said, you judge music on its merit, not on its direction - which is good and what everyone should do - but there will always be those that praise/slate a band for changing direction, regardless of what the actual music sounds like.

 

I find that in the earlier material there seemed to be more layers of depth at least to the lyrics. I have to agree that Matt has never been a poet, but I just feel that Madness and Survival have lacked any sort of inspiration and creativity. They are playing in a really busy, rehashed sandpit. (And ironically, I'm not a fan of Unintended, Invincible, or I Belong To You-- although in the case of the first two I still do listen to them occasionally). But this could be my personal interpretation of the songs; that pre-TR I always found some meaning... And now I feel like it's the depth of a bowl of cornflakes.

 

Musically, I'd say there is a decrease. I think it is because there are so many elements being experimented with and yet I don't feel like any of them are really being executed to the best of the ability or utilised to full potential. Again, this is obviously open to interpretation.

 

Yeah, I always feel like when I express my opinion on the new direction everyone is just assuming it is because I am an old-school Muser that just won't go with the times. When nope, that's not the case. I'd say TR wasn't my favourite Muse album; but there are still tracks on their I love like USoE and, heaven forbid me saying it, Undisclosed Desires (I feel so BAMF listening to that song). So far I haven't hear that from T2L. That's not to say there won't be (I'm kind of hoping the Chris led tracks are going to blow my fricken mind) but I just am judging it off what I know thus far and I just feel it doesn't deserve any sort of OMGBESTMOOZEEVUR.

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I find that in the earlier material there seemed to be more layers of depth at least to the lyrics. I have to agree that Matt has never been a poet, but I just feel that Madness and Survival have lacked any sort of inspiration and creativity. They are playing in a really busy, rehashed sandpit. (And ironically, I'm not a fan of Unintended, Invincible, or I Belong To You-- although in the case of the first two I still do listen to them occasionally). But this could be my personal interpretation of the songs; that pre-TR I always found some meaning... And now I feel like it's the depth of a bowl of cornflakes.

 

Musically, I'd say there is a decrease. I think it is because there are so many elements being experimented with and yet I don't feel like any of them are really being executed to the best of the ability or utilised to full potential. Again, this is obviously open to interpretation.

 

Yeah, I always feel like when I express my opinion on the new direction everyone is just assuming it is because I am an old-school Muser that just won't go with the times. When nope, that's not the case. I'd say TR wasn't my favourite Muse album; but there are still tracks on their I love like USoE and, heaven forbid me saying it, Undisclosed Desires (I feel so BAMF listening to that song). So far I haven't hear that from T2L. That's not to say there won't be (I'm kind of hoping the Chris led tracks are going to blow my fricken mind) but I just am judging it off what I know thus far and I just feel it doesn't deserve any sort of OMGBESTMOOZEEVUR.

 

I'm not saying that at all; I think it's fair enough if you just don't like the new stuff. And hey, there's no denying that they've changed.

 

And I agree somewhat with the depth to the lyrics, but at the same time, there are some absolute clunkers throughout his career.

 

I didn't like The Resistance all that much and I'm not raving about what I've heard from The 2nd Law so far. But then there are tracks like that on all Muse albums that I don't like, or don't go mad for. Supermassive Black Hole. Time Is Running Out. Plug In Baby. Resistance.

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