*grabs popcorn*

*grabs popcorn*

 

Way to steal one of my taglines.

 

:shifty:

:dozey:

^Now people are arguing about taglines.:lol:

No, I was talking of you. Geez!! It was a comment about how there were a lot of uneducated people in the world with that mentality. That it was not just a Muslim/Islamic thing.

 

It does not matter what how the woman is dressed, whether she shows a lot of skin or very little, it is the mentality that the way a woman dresses and even acts is the reason for a rape. I NEVER SAID I AGREE WITH THAT POINT OF VIEW!! I was just pointing out the reasons/mentality that some people have concerning that. Geez!! Of course, since I said that then I must think that, right? :rolleyes:

 

Did your Muslim friends tell you that they were brainwashed? Or, are you judging them by your own set of values and beliefs? Society tends to judge other societies by their own set of values and beliefs.

 

Whatever. This is f**king ridiculous and waste of time.

 

I hope you mispelled your first sentence :thinking:

Thanks I know about uneducated people ...

Men who have that mentality are just stupid bastards !

I just thought you find it normal, that's the yway I felt it ...

 

I have Muslims friends (girls) who don't hide anything, so sorry I didn't ask :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that my values and beliefs are the best, I just think about pros and cons, and I have my opinion, it won't change, I'm totally for human freedom, and IMO Burqa isn't ...

I hope you mispelled your first sentence :thinking:

Thanks I know about uneducated people ...

Men who have that mentality are just stupid bastards !

I just thought you find it normal, that's the yway I felt it ...

 

I have Muslims friends (girls) who don't hide anything, so sorry I didn't ask :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that my values and beliefs are the best, I just think about pros and cons, and I have my opinion, it won't change, I'm totally for human freedom, and IMO Burqa isn't ...

 

Well said! The burqa is the total opposite of freedom - a prison for women!!:smug:

Well said! The burqa is the total opposite of freedom - a prison for women!!:smug:

 

THIS.

Well said! The burqa is the total opposite of freedom - a prison for women!!:smug:

 

Dude, some people are into that kind of thing and it isn't illegal.

 

You need to think about the burqa as an ARTICLE OF CLOTHING with none of the contexts of Islam attatched to it. YOU have NO right to try to control what women wear whether they wear it because they are "brainwashed" or not. It's a moral issue and if you beleive in freedom of expression you HAVE to let women wear a burqa if they wish.

 

I think wearing burqas is terrible but I have no right to step into what people choose to wear.

Dude, some people are into that kind of thing and it isn't illegal.

 

You need to think about the burqa as an ARTICLE OF CLOTHING with none of the contexts of Islam attatched to it. YOU have NO right to try to control what women wear whether they wear it because they are "brainwashed" or not. It's a moral issue and if you beleive in freedom of expression you HAVE to let women wear a burqa if they wish.

 

I think wearing burqas is terrible but I have no right to step into what people choose to wear.

 

It's up to France to decide what to do, and if the burqa is banned there, tough!:rolleyes:

It's up to France to decide what to do, and if the burqa is banned there, tough!:rolleyes:

 

Of course it is up to France but that doesn't mean the decision would be morally right.

 

You can't just say "tough" to something like that. This is an actual idealistic issue. If France bans the burqas on a moral level it is just as bad as banning shirts/t-shirts in the Middle East because the moral level does not take into account all the awful religious connotations and so on and so forth.

 

And I would think that the free world would be jumping to take the moral high ground right now.

Btw,

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/109563/Ban-the-Burkha-here-in-Britain

 

:lol:

Of course it is up to France but that doesn't mean the decision would be morally right.

 

You can't just say "tough" to something like that. This is an actual idealistic issue. If France bans the burqas on a moral level it is just as bad as banning shirts/t-shirts in the Middle East because the moral level does not take into account all the awful religious connotations and so on and so forth.

 

In that case I'm going to start the official "T-shirt" religion which requires followers to wear only short-sleeved shirts. Long-sleeved shirts are considered to be offensive and are therefore unacceptable. Anyone care to join??:rolleyes:

 

And I would think that the free world would be jumping to take the moral high ground right now.

 

Well fortunately the Iranian youth are rebelling against the draconian fundamentalist laws there, so maybe the burqa will eventually be consigned to the "anals" of dark-age history, where it belongs.:smug:

BAN THE BURKHA HERE IN BRITAIN

 

 

 

Faces obscured by a full veil

 

 

Wednesday June 24,2009

 

By Mark Reynolds

 

 

BRITAIN should stop women wearing the body-concealing burkha, both Muslims and non-Muslims said yesterday.

 

 

They were backing French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s call for Muslim women to be freed from being “prisoners behind a screen”.

Moderate Muslims in Britain supported the move here, pointing out that the burkha had no justification in Islamic teachings.

Ghaffar Hussain, of the anti-extremist think-tank Quilliam, said that while not in favour of an outright ban, there was nothing on religious grounds that justified women having to wear burkhas.

The think tank said that people should be allowed to wear what they wanted.

 

But the arguments for wearing burkhas were bogus.

Mr Hussain said: "There is nothing in the Koran that says you have to wear a burkha. It’s a cultural thing. To wear a burkha in modern Britain is not essential from any Islamic point of view.

Will Britain follow France?

 

“Also, wearing a burkha does limit a woman, restricting her in the jobs she can do.”

He blamed more conservative Muslims for misinterpreting aspects of the Koran, leaving women in the unwanted position of having to don the garments.

The burkha is traditionally a head-to-toe covering worn mainly in Afghanistan. The term is also commonly used to describe all-covering outfits that leave just a slit for the eyes.

In a poll for the Daily Express yesterday, 98 per cent of people said they agreed that Britain should ban the garment.

There are about 2.4 million Muslims in the UK, although it is not known how many women here wear the burkha.

“prisoners behind a screen”

Nicolas Sarkozy

 

 

 

Among those welcoming the call for it to be banned was Douglas Murray, director of the Centre for Social Cohesion.

Pointing out that using religion as an argument to keep the burkha was “completely bogus”

 

he said: “There is nothing in the Koran that justifies the covering of women in what amounts to a black sack.

“There are parts which speak of modesty but not this complete covering up. This idea that it is a religious requisite is only put forward by the extremists.”

He added that security had also to be taken into consideration.

 

 

“One of the failed London bombers wore a burkha to get away, so the charge by some that the security issue is academic is also not true,” Mr Murray said.

Other Muslim groups in the UK agreed with getting rid of the garments.

Hussein al-Alak, 28, whose group Iraq Solidarity UK represents 1,000 Iraqis in Britain, said: “The burkha has become a symbol of fundamentalism.

“The Koran merely states men and women should dress modestly but is not specific.

 

They were traditionally the garments of desert tribesmen to protect themselves against sandstorms but there is no practical reason for anyone to wear one in England.”

 

He added: “They are certainly divisive. I know many women who have been forced to wear them under hardline regimes and they despise them. They symbolise the suppression of womanhood.

“But I would not be in favour of a law banning them. That would be reducing the Government to the same level as an extremist who orders his wife to wear one.

“It could also push more people down the road of fundamentalism. I think a woman who wants to wear one should be allowed to – as long as they have made that decision of their own free will.

“Bizarrely, they are often favoured by women who were not born Muslim but have converted to the faith.”

Diana Nammi, of the Iranian and Kurdish Women’s Rights Organisation in London, said: “I fully support President Sarkozy. The burkha isolates women.”

This is not the first time restrictive Muslim clothing has been the centre of controversy. Three years ago, Justice Minister Jack Straw called on his Muslim constituents to stop veiling themselves.

The MP for Blackburn complained he was unable to understand them when they attended his surgeries and had to ask them to show their faces.

The call to ban the wearing of burkhas drew condemnation from within the Muslim world.

Lebanon’s most influential Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, yesterday called on Mr Sarkozy to reconsider his remarks, saying the will of Muslim women who decide to cover their faces ought to be respected.

The burkha and headscarf have already caused controversy in many European countries. Italy outlawed the burkha in 2005 under anti-terror laws.

Turkey, a secular Muslim country, has banned headscarves in schools, universities and public offices.

Burkhas are outlawed in three Belgian towns, while seven out of Germany’s 16 states have banned headscarves.

I won't vote because, I say it for the last time, I'm totally against what burqa represents and all that masochism, but I'm not for banning it, it's women choice even if it's not totally theirs ;)

I'm not against a little scarf on the head, because it can be considered as "aesthtic", but Burqa, just no !

I won't vote because, I say it for the last time, I'm totally against what burqa represents and all that masochism, but I'm not for banning it, it's women choice even if it's not totally theirs ;)

I'm not against a little scarf on the head, because it can be considered as "aesthtic", but Burqa, just no !

 

Well there's a massive difference between headscarves and burqas!!;)

Geez people, quit calling for stuff to be banned. If they want to dress like idiots, let them!

 

Mark and others can retreat to their "burka-free zones" and not be bothered by it. This whole idea there's a "British culture" that must be upheld at gunpoint is ridiculous. For goodness' sake, don't become like Bill O'Reilly.

The option that says that women look great dressed in a blanket is funny.

I'm not against a little scarf on the head, because it can be considered as "aesthtic", but Burqa, just no !

 

It's called a hijab.

Lets ban everything you don't agree with!

 

Mark your name offends me, lets ban you? Sound fair and open minded?

 

Ban the Marka?

Whether they ban it on France or any other country it's gonna make no difference, Muslims won't change their minds about it, and muslim girls are still gonna have to wear them be treated like that cuz that's the only kind of life they know.

 

EDIT:^:lol:

Lets ban everything you don't agree with!

 

Mark your name offends me, lets ban you? Sound fair and open minded?

 

Ban the Marka?

 

His jokes offend me

 

BANBANBANBANBAN

Thanks Tracy, I hope your answer wasn't sarcastic, I just didn't know the english word.... Remember that english isn't the only language in this world :dozey:

The option that says that women look great dressed in a blanket is funny.

 

Yes, and there are obviously some people with weird tastes around, as they voted for it!!:lol:

Thanks Tracy, I hope your answer wasn't sarcastic, I just didn't know the english word.... Remember that english isn't the only language in this world :dozey:

 

That's a point! Let's ban all languages except for English!:rolleyes:

Whether they ban it on France or any other country it's gonna make no difference, Muslims won't change their minds about it, and muslim girls are still gonna have to wear them be treated like that cuz that's the only kind of life they know.

 

Not if the rebellion spreads......................... :smug: