Uh that's sad but I agree with you on this point, Julia... Doesn't catch me neither.

I don't understand the deal with different release dates either:confused:

 

I'm just glad there already are superb muse albums and some new songs that I can listen while waiting, makes it easier to wait..:) *listening to Bliss at the moment:cool:*

of course, everyone has different tastes, but saying that Radiohead are depressing is kinda immature ;)

you must find all those copies who came after RH depressing as well then, but i think you don't

are Coldplay depressing? don't think so

 

I was just saying I find Radiohead's songs more depressing than Muse's for what I know of each band, and I'm talking about the whole atmosphere of the songs, not just the lyrics (which I usually don't catch at first listen due to my poor english :P) and it's just what I feel when I listen to them...but it's obvious you can't see this cause you like them...it's like when poeple tell me "Coldplay are depressing" I find it strange, but it's just cause I like them

And well depressing is not always in a pessimistic way. As Knight of Cydonia (mmhhh...are you Ren?) said some songs can be depressing and maybe you like them more in some situations..probably the best word to describe them is not even depressing but rather "sad" :)

*Has now heard Map of the Problematique*

 

*Is now very happy*

 

*Still won't download the album*

I like both :nice:

 

but I have to say radiohead is so much better than muse :wacko:

i just reviewed an album which i didnt like. i have a right to review anything. and it's not a Muse forum by the way, so nobody can't say i was arrogant. the hardcore Muse fans overreacted the whole situation. that's why i started to defend myself ;)

 

and Muse are depressing pour moi

 

i already shared my opinion about Muse and Radiohead relation, so i'm not going to repeat myself 92134912x times

Muse are like babies of Radiohead's work. they're trying to create something very big like OK Computer but fail every time IMO.

 

and everyone's entitled to have an opinion

Indeed you're allowed to review anything you like but considering the majority of ppl here like muse and radiohead, it was natural to expect some opinions back from both sides. Though i really find a bit pointless to review an album i hate or a band i dislike,it'd be like me trying to review the last black eyes peas album, of course i wouldnt give them credit at all cos i have a bad opinion about them already but if it was just to prove your point and show the rest og people here how lame muse is then alright , suit yourself ;)

 

I do know its not a muse forum but its not a radiohead forum either so the best is just respect what others listen and try to get along.As long as we can debate without falling into childish arguments and insults its all good so i dont know if other muse fans overreacted but you sure have the right to defend yourself i wont argue with that, i'd do the same.

 

I find radiohead depressive in many ways but since when depressive songs are such a bad thing? I've been called deppresive for listening to radiohead by many ppl during the past 10 years but it kinda suits my personality and i prefer a honest sad song than a happy tune that is just flat in musical terms. No wonder i love radiohead even though i think they have depressive lyrics , does that make me inmature? ( just read a comment u said) I dont think so, its my personal opinion and trying to question that based on your own taste and sense in music is a bit arrogant my friend.

 

I still dont find any relation about muse and radiohead to call them " radiohead babies", sure radiohead is radiohead and its an amazing band no one will take that from them ,and have influenced from moby to system of a down (diff genres of music , that's my point ) but then again i can say radiohead are talking head's babies since they had a major influence on them but its unfair to say and not giving them credit for theit own work and effot.

 

As for the ok computer comment i think its way too much to think they are so obsessed about radiohead when they're not ( they're more influenced by rage agaist the machine btw) and IMHO they dont need an ok computer alike album cos origin of symmetry was their 'ok computer' to me just perfect.

 

In any case, it's good to exchange opinions and debate from time to time and i'm glad we can keep certain level without going into childish arguments. I appreciate that and i hope you all can do the same.

 

My position is clear and so is your my friend, i'd recommend not to take things to heart if someone tries to take arguments to a lower level cos its not worth the time ;)

 

cheers

Indeed you're allowed to review anything you like but considering the majority of ppl here like muse and radiohead, it was natural to expect some opinions back from both sides. Though i really find a bit pointless to review an album i hate or a band i dislike,it'd be like me trying to review the last black eyes peas album, of course i wouldnt give them credit at all cos i have a bad opinion about them already but if it was just to prove your point and show the rest og people here how lame muse is then alright , suit yourself ;)

 

I do know its not a muse forum but its not a radiohead forum either so the best is just respect what others listen and try to get along.As long as we can debate without falling into childish arguments and insults its all good so i dont know if other muse fans overreacted but you sure have the right to defend yourself i wont argue with that, i'd do the same.

 

I find radiohead depressive in many ways but since when depressive songs are such a bad thing? I've been called deppresive for listening to radiohead by many ppl during the past 10 years but it kinda suits my personality and i prefer a honest sad song than a happy tune that is just flat in musical terms. No wonder i love radiohead even though i think they have depressive lyrics , does that make me inmature? ( just read a comment u said) I dont think so, its my personal opinion and trying to question that based on your own taste and sense in music is a bit arrogant my friend.

 

I still dont find any relation about muse and radiohead to call them " radiohead babies", sure radiohead is radiohead and its an amazing band no one will take that from them ,and have influenced from moby to system of a down (diff genres of music , that's my point ) but then again i can say radiohead are talking head's babies since they had a major influence on them but its unfair to say and not giving them credit for theit own work and effot.

 

As for the ok computer comment i think its way too much to think they are so obsessed about radiohead when they're not ( they're more influenced by rage agaist the machine btw) and IMHP they dont need an ok computer alike album cos origin of symmetry was their 'ok computer' to me just perfect.

 

In any case, it's good to exchange opinions and debate from time to time and i'm glad we can keep certain level without going into childish arguments. I appreciate that and i hope you all can do the same.

 

My position is clear and so is your my friend, i'd recommend not to take things to heart if someone tries to take arguments to a lower level cos its not worth the time ;)

 

cheers

 

fair enough, but there's no point to react to your statement. i've already said what i think about it. you just repeated what everyone said/thought before and collected to one big post. but still good post, i appreciate that some fans are going into discussions.

 

anyway i have some notes:

 

1. of course it's not a Radiohead forum, how come you mention it? i was refering that there's nothing bad if a band, in this case Muse, get critics. so all those overreactions would be useless. it's "the world of music" which was dead, if will be very honest for a very long time. and i find it very sad when at the first page we find only some games, what are you listening to and bands threads. so i think some exciting threads with some discussions inside can save TWOM.

 

2. Muse definitely ARE Radiohead babies, but of course not the onliest. Coldplay, Travis, Keane and all those bands who were influenced by RH's work are "RH babies" as well. you can agree or disagree, but it is a fact. same with Radiohead they were being influenced by REM, Pixies, Pink Floyd, Talking Heads...but they could find their own music style. that is what i don't hear in Muse's music, they sound like a mix of other artists. i can't hear what their real sound is, i always hear other artists. opinion. that's why i was saying they are a "growing up" band and i think there's nothing bad with this statement. they are being influenced like everyone else, another question if they'll find their real sound or not. if yes, their music will live forever and we'll hear Muse influenced bands in the future. automatically Muse will be legends, but atm they're very far from it. so that's why i don't stand all those biased Muse comments about how legendary Muse are.

but if not, in 10-20 years, no one will remember who Muse are and maybe the band will split.

 

3. Showbiz is an OK Computer remake, but seriously...i can't even see any arguments in this point. though i agree that the stuff which came later is indifferent from OKC but still, in some points i hear "wannabe Radiohead, Queen" and not Muse

 

well, i think we still can keep our discussion without crossing any borders and it's good ;)

There is one thing, which I really don't understand, why do most Radiohead fans consider it as a negative thing if a band is influenced by them?

There is one thing' date=' which I really don't understand, why do most Radiohead fans consider it as a negative thing if a band is influenced by them?[/quote']

 

ask them, but don't expect any welcomes

 

http://ateaseweb.com/mb/

ask them, but don't expect any welcomes

 

http://ateaseweb.com/mb/

 

I know... but that doesn't answer my question. I mean it doesn't have to be a bad thing. It's ok if you dislike Muse but I don't think the fact that they are influenced by Radiohead is a reason to do this. I love Radiohead but if you talk to some of their fans you could think they were the only decent band in the world.

Hmm so now I've heard a decent quality version of the Knights of Cydonia radio edit...

 

Impressive. Not sure about it's spot as album finisher, but it's definitely a nice song. I'm loving the bridge. Very Queen-like.

I know... but that doesn't answer my question. I mean it doesn't have to be a bad thing. It's ok if you dislike Muse but I don't think the fact that they are influenced by Radiohead is a reason to do this. I love Radiohead but if you talk to some of their fans you could think they were the only decent band in the world.

 

who said that? if it's only a theory then it's very poor. how come you think that Radiohead fans listen only to Radiohead and think RH are the onliest decent band worldwide. there are hell a lot of Muse lovers at RH msgboards even more than you could imagine. you can find at RH msgboards: many Beatles, Flamings Lips, Sigur Ros, REM, Pink Floyd and even some unpopular at those places Oasis, Muse and Coldplay fans.

 

if you could read my post at the last page you would easily find an answer to your question. there's nothing wrong when someone's being influenced by someone, but a band can't bring the same stuff everytime and just release an album which will be highly appreciated by shit like "NME" or some "fashion fans". but it's only an opinion from a Radiohead fan

who said that? if it's only a theory then it's very poor. how come you think that Radiohead fans listen only to Radiohead and think RH are the onliest decent band worldwide. there are hell a lot of Muse lovers at RH msgboards even more that you could imagine. you can find at RH msgboards: many Beatles, Flamings Lips, Sigur Ros, REM, Pink Floyd and even some unpopular at those places Oasis, Muse and Coldplay fans.

 

if you could read my post at the last page you would easily find an answer to your question. there's nothing wrong when someone's being influenced by someone, but a band can't bring the same stuff everytime and just release an album which will be highly appreciated by shit like "NME" or some "fashion fans". but it's only an opinion from a Radiohead fan

 

This isn't a theory... I know people who think this is true actually, I don't say every Radiohead fan is like this. I accept if anyone dislikes Coldplay or whoever but if they say that they don't like them because they are influenced by another band, I find it pretty ridiculous. I mean it is a positive thing that Radiohead have a huge influence on other bands, even if you dislike them. But some people don't even give them a chance. They compare any of those bands with Radiohead and they'll find all of them really bad.

 

Alright, I'm gonna read your other posting, I wasn't referring to you, I meant this discussion in general.

 

But as you said if I asked them, I'd only get negative responses which kinda shows that I ain't that wrong...

This isn't a theory... I know people who think this is true actually, I don't say every Radiohead fan is like this. I accept if anyone dislikes Coldplay or whoever but if they say that they don't like them because they are influenced by another band, I find it pretty ridiculous. I mean it is a positive thing that Radiohead have a huge influence on other bands, even if you dislike them. But some people don't even give them a chance. They compare any of those bands with Radiohead and they'll find all of them really bad.

 

Alright, I'm gonna read your other posting, I wasn't referring to you, I meant this discussion in general.

 

But as you said if I asked them, I'd only get negative responses which kinda shows that I ain't that wrong...

 

well fair point , Sally. i know there are many fans who slag off the "newcomers" like CP or Muse just because it's cool, but i'm sure some of them listen to Coldplay, Muse and etc.

well fair point ' date=' Sally. i know there are many fans who slag off the "newcomers" like CP or Muse just because it's cool, but i'm sure some of them listen to Coldplay, Muse and etc.[/quote']

 

I know that otherwise you probably wouldn't be here. Those discussions just annoy me because some of those fans wouldn't even admit if they like a band or maybe a song. A friend of mine is like that, that's why I asked.

 

I read your posts about the Muse album, but I won't comment them before I've actually heard it.

fair enough, but there's no point to react to your statement. i've already said what i think about it. you just repeated what everyone said/thought before and collected to one big post. but still good post, i appreciate that some fans are going into discussions.

 

anyway i have some notes:

 

1. of course it's not a Radiohead forum, how come you mention it? i was refering that there's nothing bad if a band, in this case Muse, get critics. so all those overreactions would be useless. it's "the world of music" which was dead, if will be very honest for a very long time. and i find it very sad when at the first page we find only some games, what are you listening to and bands threads. so i think some exciting threads with some discussions inside can save TWOM.

 

2. Muse definitely ARE Radiohead babies, but of course not the onliest. Coldplay, Travis, Keane and all those bands who were influenced by RH's work are "RH babies" as well. you can agree or disagree, but it is a fact. same with Radiohead they were being influenced by REM, Pixies, Pink Floyd, Talking Heads...but they could find their own music style. that is what i don't hear in Muse's music, they sound like a mix of other artists. i can't hear what their real sound is, i always hear other artists. opinion. that's why i was saying they are a "growing up" band and i think there's nothing bad with this statement. they are being influenced like everyone else, another question if they'll find their real sound or not. if yes, their music will live forever and we'll hear Muse influenced bands in the future. automatically Muse will be legends, but atm they're very far from it. so that's why i don't stand all those biased Muse comments about how legendary Muse are.

but if not, in 10-20 years, no one will remember who Muse are and maybe the band will split.

 

3. Showbiz is an OK Computer remake, but seriously...i can't even see any arguments in this point. though i agree that the stuff which came later is indifferent from OKC but still, in some points i hear "wannabe Radiohead, Queen" and not Muse

 

well, i think we still can keep our discussion without crossing any borders and it's good ;)

 

Its all good, i just wanted to remark some points mentioned on previous posts concerning this topic and i'm glad we can agree that a good debate is healthy as long as we can keep it in a mature way, i'm all for debates but recently i havent had the chance to do so since the lounge is full of trheads that are not really worth replying in a deeper way so i just keep it short . I'm a radiohead fan myself but i happen to like muse which might be odd for hardcore radiohead fans, and even more odd that i like coldplay ( cos we all know the typical radiohead fan hates coldplay with a passion ) But stereotypes about what a rh fan can or cannot listen is just stupid cos i enjoy coldplay muse and radiohead and i dont care what others say.

 

Oh, just to answer your questions , i just wanted to enphasy that even though this is a coldplay forum ,most memebers not only listen to coldplay but other bands like muse, radiohead, travis, sigur rós ,etc and since in your previous post you saidns omething like" this isnt a muse forum by the way" i just had to make clear that isnt a radiohead forum either so its all relative, i didnt mean to sound rude in any way just stating a point .I'll change of topic dramatically now but you're totally right, this section of the board is dead sometimes so i'm glad we can have this kind of discussions and exchange opinions, i might not change of mind about what i like but at least i can see things from a different point of view.

I see your point, some bands are meant to fade away and others to last but time will tell. Any band can say they're 100% original cos they're always influended by other bands and like you mentioned so was radiohead. They have their own styles and arent stuck in the same style but it took them a long time to achieve that. It's very hard to find a particular style when it comes to music and have a recognition for it but i think muse has his own style and they're changing with the time which is good, their music style doesnt spin around radiohead in my opinion.Another good example about this is coldplay, i think they have potential but they're stuck in a style i dont like,i just hope they can see what they're doing wrong and correct it .Although coldplay can be called radiohead' babies since they so similar in style but when it comes to muse i certainly dont find any resemblance.

Showbiz was the only indie album imsue recorded in my opinion cos after that they got a different style but if you think that's a ok computer album alike then fine. It's your opinion. i dont think a band really wants to be under the shaows of other bands so saying theyu're just this or that band wannabes its unfair cos that same comparison can be made to any band that exist. Like i said its all relative depending your point of view. ;)

Its all good, i just wanted to remark some points mentioned on previous posts concerning this topic and i'm glad we can agree that a good debate is healthy as long as we can keep it in a mature way, i'm all for debates but recently i havent had the chance to do so since the lounge is full of trheads that are not really worth replying in a deeper way so i just keep it short . I'm a radiohead fan myself but i happen to like muse which might be odd for hardcore radiohead fans, and even more odd that i like coldplay ( cos we all know the typical radiohead fan hates coldplay with a passion ) But stereotypes about what a rh fan can or cannot listen is just stupid cos i enjoy coldplay muse and radiohead and i dont care what others say.

 

Oh, just to answer your questions , i just wanted to enphasy that even though this is a coldplay forum ,most memebers not only listen to coldplay but other bands like muse, radiohead, travis, sigur rós ,etc and since in your previous post you saidns omething like" this isnt a muse forum by the way" i just had to make clear that isnt a radiohead forum either so its all relative, i didnt mean to sound rude in any way just stating a point .I'll change of topic dramatically now but you're totally right, this section of the board is dead sometimes so i'm glad we can have this kind of discussions and exchange opinions, i might not change of mind about what i like but at least i can see things from a different point of view.

I see your point, some bands are meant to fade away and others to last but time will tell. Any band can say they're 100% original cos they're always influended by other bands and like you mentioned so was radiohead. They have their own styles and arent stuck in the same style but it took them a long time to achieve that. It's very hard to find a particular style when it comes to music and have a recognition for it but i think muse has his own style and they're changing with the time which is good, their music style doesnt spin around radiohead in my opinion.Another good example about this is coldplay, i think they have potential but they're stuck in a style i dont like,i just hope they can see what they're doing wrong and correct it .Although coldplay can be called radiohead' babies since they so similar in style but when it comes to muse i certainly dont find any resemblance.

Showbiz was the only indie album imsue recorded in my opinion cos after that they got a different style but if you think that's a ok computer album alike then fine. It's your opinion. i dont think a band really wants to be under the shaows of other bands so saying theyu're just this or that band wannabes its unfair cos that same comparison can be made to any band that exist. Like i said its all relative depending your point of view. ;)

 

well, the typical Radiohead fans hate Muse even more than Coldplay i think...take a look

http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=91863

http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=91660

i'm sure many of voters didn't even listen to the album yet

 

Coldplay's early stuff was similar to Radiohead Bends-OKC era, but after they could become a "piano-rock" band...

and after came X&Y...it's another theme, but at least here we agree it was disappointing even for real Coldplay fans. the media overrated the album and thanks to this many people started to hate Coldplay. i have a fear that Coldplay will be the bext U2. this fact would disappoint me a lot...

Although I agree X&Y is pretty darn crap, I still think it is original, most of it at least. Although everybody says that they need to do something original, move away from bla bla bla...

 

But it is a very different style to AROBTTH and extremely different from Parachutes.

 

EDIT: and I cannot compare it to Radiohead more than a tiny amount. I do not really understand the comparrisons, the only slght ones I make are the use of Falsetto and Jonny Buckland seems to be extremely influenced by Jonny Greenwood.

i have to say that whatever i've read on Radiohead boards and stuff, most of the fans are single minded arrogant wankers. i don't know how radiohead manage to attract them but still its true.

i have to say that whatever i've read on Radiohead boards and stuff' date=' most of the fans are single minded arrogant wankers. i don't know how radiohead manage to attract them but still its true.[/quote']

 

thank you

 

and now leave this thread, please

*Has now heard Map of the Problematique*

 

*Is now very happy*

 

*Still won't download the album*

 

;) ... no i want to stick with you on not downloading the album. i'm really frustrated its been leaked though. gonna be tough to avoid it now though with everyone else listening to it.

well, the typical Radiohead fans hate Muse even more than Coldplay i think...take a look

http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=91863

http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=91660

i'm sure many of voters didn't even listen to the album yet

 

Coldplay's early stuff was similar to Radiohead Bends-OKC era, but after they could become a "piano-rock" band...

and after came X&Y...it's another theme, but at least here we agree it was disappointing even for real Coldplay fans. the media overrated the album and thanks to this many people started to hate Coldplay. i have a fear that Coldplay will be the bext U2. this fact would disappoint me a lot...

 

 

i agree about coldplay...but i honestly think they learnt..and next time they will improve a whole lot..and astound us all

I don't know, but I like this album... I'm easy to please sometimes. (haha, easy to pl--nvm...)

 

Mainly for City of Delusion--I think it's my new favorite song. :stunned:

for me, is a weak album, just 2 or 3 good songs

Ondes... you have to admit...calling Radiohead lyrics depressive is not immature...its the straight truth.

 

 

(the reason my font is in different colors is to emphasize and help it not get lost in all the white of other letter and numbers... and who is to say that your comments are all that great? )

 

now..

 

here is some more comprehensive proof.

 

Let Down (the name in itself is proof enough.. but more emphasis for a boy who just holds Radiohead in the most optimistic of lights...

 

 

Transport, motorways and tramlines,

starting and then stopping,

taking off and landing,

the emptiest of feelings,

disappointed people, clinging on to bottles,

and when it comes it's so, so, disappointing.

 

Let down and hanging around,

crushed like a bug in the ground.

Let down and hanging around.

 

Shell smashed, juices flowing

wings twitch, legs are going,

don't get sentimental, it always ends up drivel.

One day, I'm gonna grow wings,

a chemical reaction,

hysterical and useless

hysterical and

 

let down and hanging around,

crushed like a bug in the ground.

Let down and hanging around.

 

Let down,

Let down,

Let down.

 

You know, you know where you are with,

you know where you are with,

floor collapsing, falling, bouncing back

and one day, I'm gonna grow wings,

a chemical reaction, [You know where you are,]

hysterical and useless [you know where you are,]

hysterical and [you know where you are,]

 

let down and hanging around,

crushed like a bug in the ground.

Let down and hanging around.

 

and I am preeeetty sure that even though these lyrics are damn good to me.. they are enough to make a little kid piss his pants and cry his heart out...

 

Climbing up the Walls

 

I am the key to the lock in your house

That keeps your toys in the basement

And if you get too far inside

You'll only see my reflection

 

It's always best when the light is off

I am the pick in the ice

Do not cry out or hit the alarm

You know we're friends till we die

 

And either way you turn

I'll be there

Open up your skull

I'll be there

Climbing up the walls

 

It's always best when the light is off

It's always better on the outside

Fifteen blows to the back of your head

Fifteen blows to your mind

 

So lock the kids up safe tonight

Put the eyes in the cupboard

I've got the smell of a local man

Who's got the loneliest feeling

 

That either way he turns

I'll be there

Open up your skull

I'll be there

 

Climbing up the walls

Climbing up the walls

Climbing up the walls

 

 

Don't misinterpret this as me pushing away Radiohead into some dark shell ... I love them and would go straight to Radiohead before Muse.. I just felt your commetary just a bit too much.