I completely agree with beastwars' and the Adversary's comments.

In my opinion it was not pretentious of Chris to despise certain "artists" that enjoy a big commercial success. I would hope for Chris and Coldplay being influenced more by artistic quality than chart success. One of the reasons Coldplay came up with great music on Parachutes and AROBTTH is no doubt their being influenced by Radiohead, who can be argued to be a band with high artistic aspirations.

Another point, since VLVODAAHF Coldplay are so big that literally everything they release will achieve commercial success. Imho this is a dangerous predicament, and may have been a reason for their deterioration in artistic quality. They need to have a mindset as in their earlier days where they were hungry to prove the world they can do great music. And great music doesn't measure itself in terms of chart success, but rather in terms of, are the songs I created deep, meaningful, unique, honest, do they have great melodies, do they go where no one else in music history has ever gone too ? Will they be rememembered by future generations ?

 

Don't forget though that whatever Coldplay and Chris have evolved to be, we have 3(-4) albums and a lots of B-sides and EPs with great, deep music that we can always go back to. It's like a treasure chest you can open over and over again and always find the same treasures in it :)

Well, there is always the opinion that pop music today is deliberately simplistic and meaningless trite to encourage passive acceptance and indeed aspiration towards certain social "goals" and recycled emotional trends. On this basis I would regard the pop industry as somewhat morally bankrupt, but the music itself beyond this is of course subjective.

 

PS. I'd much rather have a Chris who is open about thinking that Westlife or whoever is utter shit, than "nicey-nicey" Chris who seemingly loves and gains a placid pleasure from everything he sees.

 

Im sorry bout you're wrong, music always was about selling the lifestyle so stop blaming polular music today for something that has been a thing since 1960

 

in the 70s it was all about hard rock and metal, they were selling that lifestyle, long hair, leather, trah hotel rooms, drugs and people going to jail and having children with everyone, that was the thing

 

in the 80s it was disco, curly hair, boot cut jeans, hippy things, discos, dancing and all that stuff plus LSD and tripping with drugs

 

in the 90s the brit pop boom, bands that love to call other people bedwetters, mid-lenght hair, everyone was wearing those long brown jackets, oasis vs blur, radiohead doing their stuff

 

10's twerking, female figures spreading feminists ideas through music (see nicki minaj, beyonce), songs about butts, drugs aren't cool anymore (thank god for that), big cars and all that

 

 

music was ALWAYS about lyrics made right for what was selling, so don't blame it all on current artists because they aren't doing anything different from what The Beatles, Led Zeppeling, Guns n Roses, Oasis and Coldplay did back in their days.

Another point, since VLVODAAHF Coldplay are so big that literally everything they release will achieve commercial success. Imho this is a dangerous predicament, and may have been a reason for their deterioration in artistic quality

 

This is actually a great point and it works the other way too. If they were to go back to their indie rock inclinations, It would still sell because it's still Coldplay. I also sometimes wonder if some of the blame also lies on Parlophone's door, who may put pressure on the band to sell as much as possible and this in turn has led to a more poppy sound.

You skipped the 00's

and may have been a reason for their deterioration in artistic quality. They need to have a mindset as in their earlier days where they were hungry to prove the world they can do great music. And great music doesn't measure itself in terms of chart success, but rather in terms of, are the songs I created deep, meaningful, unique, honest, do they have great melodies, do they go where no one else in music history has ever gone too ? Will they be rememembered by future generations ?

 

See, I don't quite buy this "deterioration in artistic quality" business. I don't know where it comes from, but I would guess it's related to the pop thing again.

It comes from Politik vs ASFOS, Clocks vs Magic, Trouble vs POC etc etc.

It comes from Politik vs ASFOS, Clocks vs Magic, Trouble vs POC etc etc.

 

I'd listen to all 6 of these songs. Why can't I like all 6. Why are you pitting them against each other? They're from the same band.

 

But i'll play your game. Yeah, I would rather listen to Politik, Clocks, and Trouble. Does that make ASFOS, Magic and POC bad songs? Why can't they all be good, or all be bad, or some good, some bad?

It's getting out of hand coldplayers! [emoji51]

It's getting out of hand coldplayers! [emoji51]

 

Still the calmest forums I have ever seen....

It's getting out of hand coldplayers! [emoji51]

I don't feel this way. It's a disagreement, but everyone's been respectful so far and not attacking the poster, instead attacking the points. Like a good debate should be and what forums were designed for.

 

Beats the hell out of waiting for a single to drop!

No, it doesn't make them bad songs just not as good, not of the same caliber, that's why I would say that is why there has been a "deterioration of quality" It's the very definition of it. Contrast say this:

 

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And this:

 

[video=youtube;bIHDRVXPOFk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHDRVXPOFk

 

To me, that's not the same band, rather a hollow shell of a once legendary band (Although still decent, I'm not saying its terrible. Just not the same.)

I don't feel this way. It's a disagreement, but everyone's been respectful so far and not attacking the poster, instead attacking the points. Like a good debate should be.

Absolutely, no animosity or anything. Just a stimulating discussion. We are all Coldplayers anyway, we have more similarities than differences. :cool:

Yeah, what the Adversary said was along the lines I wanted to respond too.

It's not about liking. Preferring Trouble doesn't mean I can't like POC, in fact I even do like POC in a way.

 

But I ask you:

Which song do you feel is deeper ? If you think of sound arrangements as art, which one is more of an art to you ?

 

Politik or ASFOS ?

Clocks or Magic ?

Trouble or POC ?

And yes, we have a great variation in tastes and as long as the debates stay polite and civil, I don't see a problem in discussing.

So, about that new album eh...

This is actually a great point and it works the other way too. If they were to go back to their indie rock inclinations, It would still sell because it's still Coldplay. I also sometimes wonder if some of the blame also lies on Parlophone's door, who may put pressure on the band to sell as much as possible and this in turn has led to a more poppy sound.

 

That's a real possibility. The name Coldplay has power in the industry but for all we know Parlophone may just want as many sales as possible. Why else would Coldplay have scrapped an acoustic record in 2010 in order to follow through with a distinctively more "pop" approach on MX?

Yeah, what the Adversary said was along the lines I wanted to respond too.

It's not about liking. Preferring Trouble doesn't mean I can't like POC, in fact I even do like POC in a way.

 

But I ask you:

Which song do you feel is deeper ? If you think of sound arrangements as art, which one is more of an art to you ?

 

Politik or ASFOS ?

Clocks or Magic ?

Trouble or POC ?

 

It's basically pop vs alt rock.

To wrap it up (since ppl think we're fighting), I can respect the OPINION that people prefer Oldplay to Newplay. But what gets my goat is when ppl say it as if their word is gospel and even threaten to quit supporting the band.

 

As a fan from LP2 era, I can say with straight face that I don't mind the band's recent output and not in any fear of its future.

So, about that new album eh...

 

We need a new song now! It's killing us! [emoji52][emoji379]

Still the calmest forums I have ever seen....

 

Agreed. I'm a member of a U2 message board and this is far milder than some of the discussion on there. At least here, someone doesn't say they like one song and get called a troll simply for opening their mouth.

To wrap it up (since ppl think we're fighting), I can respect the OPINION that people prefer Oldplay to Newplay. But what gets my goat is when ppl say it as if their word is gospel and even threaten to quit supporting the band.

 

As a fan from LP2 era, I can say with straight face that I don't mind the band's recent output and not in any fear of its future.

 

I respect all opinions on the matter too. I can say I will never stop supporting the band no matter what and I never said I wouldn't support them. Coldplay means a lot to me (and all of you obviously) and that's where the frustration comes from I think. Even if AHFOD doesn't sound exactly like I would hope, I will still buy it and still enjoy it just like I did MX and GS.

To wrap it up (since ppl think we're fighting), I can respect the OPINION that people prefer Oldplay to Newplay. But what gets my goat is when ppl say it as if their word is gospel and even threaten to quit supporting the band.

 

As a fan from LP2 era, I can say with straight face that I don't mind the band's recent output and not in any fear of its future.

 

I agree. I don't care if the band release an album that sounds like maroon 5 or like the fray, i will still support Coldplay forever. [emoji2][emoji106] i first heard clocks on the radio and i'm not going to stop listening to them anytime soon.

Im sorry bout you're wrong, music always was about selling the lifestyle so stop blaming polular music today for something that has been a thing since 1960

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music was ALWAYS about lyrics made right for what was selling, so don't blame it all on current artists because they aren't doing anything different from what The Beatles, Led Zeppeling, Guns n Roses, Oasis and Coldplay did back in their days.

When did they do that? They've never been cool enough to do this and I think they never wanted to, they were just playing their music and showing their way of seeing the world.

They've always been considered too poppish to be alternative and too alternative to be trendy, and they lived the top of their career in the first part of a too underestimated decade like the 00s, the least iconic period of the last 60 years.

I only know that pop culture of that years (2000-2006) had its flaws like all the others decades, but also had great songs that were also big hits and I still remember most of them.

Y'know, I liken it to having a child; no matter how bad they screw up, I'll support them

Y'know, I liken it to having a child; no matter how bad they screw up, I'll support them

You might not always agree on the path or direction they decide to take, but you support them regardless. It's quite a good analogy actually.