How would you feel if Avril Lavigne someday becomes as big as Madonna or U2?

[Reilly]

There's a reason why I'm making a big deal about this.

 

Myself and other pop music fans talk about Avril Lavigne and other female artists all the time over at U2 Interference.

 

http://u2.interference.com/f221/

 

U2 fans are often classy and respectful whenever they give their opinions on pop music. They almost never resort to sarcasm, vindictiveness, disparagement, and narrow-mindedness.

 

So I was wondering why can't Coldplay fans follow suit.:sad:

 

http://u2.interference.com/f221/taylor-swift-has-written-and-recorded-the-years-best-and-most-exciting-pop-album-208283.html

 

Well, there's one thread, and I don't know what's going on. I read the first few pages, a lot of mention of a football game, a few people negatively reacting to Taylor, I don't see much serious discussion about her or her album, and this is one of the artists you like. It's really not much different.

 

The only difference? -And it's a significant one. The thread starter simply stated they like the new Taylor Swift album and encouraged others to listen to it, they didn't bring up some retarded hypothetical impossibility about Taylor being as big as U2 or Bono (though she stands a hell of a lot more chance then Avril).

 

They almost never resort to sarcasm, vindictiveness, disparagement, and narrow-mindedness.

 

Seeing as a few times in this thread you've posted about how certain posts have been one of these descriptions, and when questioned about it, you ignored this (Because they weren't offensive) I find you to be over-sensitive and for these adjective to be hard to take seriously.

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- She stops writing cookie-cutter girly songs about boys, and starts recording depth-filled songs that contain vastly profound lyrics

 

Nothing wrong with girly songs about boys. It's just as profound/worthy a subject as whatever U2's songs are about.

 

- She ditches the trendy MTV crowd, and reaches out to a more general, adult audience of discerning listeners

 

This assumes that adults are better judges and that their opinion is more valid/important than Avril's audience, and also assumes that only one type of person listens to Avril in the first place.

[HBK-79]

Like what you want, it's still strange.

 

Hey Reilly-

 

I'm sorry if listening to a variety of music seems strange to you.:rolleyes: I know quite a few U2 fans over at who listen to Britney, Lady Gaga, Taylor, etc.

 

Does that make THEM weird as well?:confused::thinking:

 

And I think both Avril and Taylor have bright futures. Whether either will reach great heights is smoke and mirrors.

 

 

Anyway, the link I posted was for the general music discussion forum on U2 Interference. There are brief discussions regarding Avril scattered throughout different treads. I'm not asking you to go through all of them. I'm just pointing out the area in which U2 fans talk about female pop artists.

 

I hope that clears up everything.:D

[HBK-79]

I want this to end.

 

This discussion isn't going in the direction that I hoped it would.

 

Moderators- Please close this thread.

 

Thank you.

[Crests]

:dozey:

[Tnspieler1012]

Just noticed this thread. I still don't really get the question. The hypotheticals are essentially saying 'what would you think of Avril Lavigne if she had none of the qualities we typically attribute to Avril Lavigne (if she wasn't Avril Lavigne)?' or "what would you think of Avril Lavigne if she was U2?"

 

I suppose I would think of her the same way as I do U2? :shrug:

[Reilly]

I think they were saying "How would you feel if Avril Lavigne got really successful?".

[Tnspieler1012]

I think they were saying "How would you feel if Avril Lavigne got really successful?".

In which case that would depend on the quality of her music. I can't imagine a situation in which you dislike someone's music but want them to be successful...or like someone's music but don't want them to be successful.

[Cobalt]

I want this to end.

 

This discussion isn't going in the direction that I hoped it would.

 

Moderators- Please close this thread.

 

Thank you.

 

LOL just because you're losing the argument :laugh3:

[alejolo]

She wishes . Almost 10 years in her career and is still doing the same punk pop shit she did back in the early 00's

 

An irrelevant bitch is an irrelevant bitch .

 

Btw , her new single , what the hell , is flopping massivly :)

[deaths_friend]

why the fuck does this thread keep on getting bumped!!!

[i'maveryneatMonster.']

BUMP.

[Megalomania]

BUMP. :awesome:

 

Hey Reilly-

 

I'm sorry if listening to a variety of music seems strange to you.:rolleyes: I know quite a few U2 fans over at who listen to Britney, Lady Gaga, Taylor, etc.

 

Does that make THEM weird as well?:confused::thinking:

 

I listen to Lady Gaga, and she's more likely to become as big as U2 than Avril Lavigne. :|

 

Which isn't very likely, tbh. Pop music rarely stays popular long, as is the case with Lavigne.

 

There's nothing wrong with liking a band/artist, but when you made this thread, there really wasn't anything to say- If she became as big as U2, we'd think of her as we do with U2. :shrug: Some would love her, some would hate her. Nothing much more to say.

[Darlene_Ihnfsa]

Hey there, fellow CP fans. I know there are tons of people who hate Avril Lavigne. But consider pop music artists like Justin Timberlake. Singers like Timberlake were widely disrespected early in their careers, but then gained a good amount of acceptance from the populace.

 

1. most coldplayers of the wom will say they dislike pop music, they mainly like alt, indie, electronic. I don't think they have much liking to Mr Timberlake.

 

So...

 

How would you feel if Avril Lavigne legitimately becomes as popular and well-respected as Madonna or U2?

she'd have to change 360º and build something purely good that fit in 4 minutes.

(cookie to the one that finds the hint here)

 

Before anyone starts flaming me, there are several plausible arguments that I would like to express.

 

Hypothetically speaking, let’s say-

 

- She leaves behind the ‘punk princess’ image, and entirely re-invents her style

she better reinvent herself soon. in a way to not lose her current fanbase.

- She advances her music and demonstrates artistic growth

i'm yet waiting for that to happen.

- She secures her credibility and establishes her authenticity

does she have any authenticity, or real message or motivation to share?

- She crafts some unique, high-caliber music that withstands time

i'm afraid few artists managed to do so, i don't see her being the precursor of any worthwhile new genre or something.

- She stops writing cookie-cutter girly songs about boys, and starts recording depth-filled songs that contain vastly profound lyrics

... that is a bit relative, but again i don't see her writing about profound stuff.

- She ditches the trendy MTV crowd, and reaches out to a more general, adult audience of discerning listeners

reach to more audience doesn't mean it have more quality.

- She sets herself apart from all the other female pop artists- i.e. Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Miley Cyrus, Ke$ha, Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Shakira, Ashlee Simpson, Hilary Duff, and Lindsay Lohan

mainstream, pop, designed by the industry singers, as AL originally is? you think industry will let her do so to even earn more money on her own that will escape of the mainstream industry hands?

 

Given these supposed conditions-

 

How would you feel if Avril builds up a massive fanbase worldwide? How would you feel if she sustains a thriving career, achieves continued relevance, and exhibits considerable staying power?

she already have a fanbase.

she'd have to totally rebuilt herself and probably start from zero, like playing alt country or something, i'm thinking something like Lucinda Williams or so.

 

How would you feel if Avril eventually earns a level of regard and longevity comparable to that of Madonna or U2? How would you feel if she someday cements such an iconic reputation twenty years from now?

uh, comparing a -25 year old girl to two artist with more than that time of career? she have to work really hard to get to their level.

only way she'd make to an icon to me, again if she set a new style worthwhile for off main music industry artist to follow it.

 

 

Oh yea- I hope not to hear sarcastic nonsense like “Lord help us” or “That’s like hell in a hand basket”. I’m just asking for an open-minded and well-thought-out discussion among adults here. That’s all.

 

i have not any hate to AL, not any love, i simply think she's been used by the industry to earn money, and she used an style that really don't fit her, i dislike hardly today when industry does that and they do it a lot those days.

i hope she grow on her own and adapt, even if she decides to quit music, i will have more respect for her if she start from zero with no high hopes and get it there on her own.

at times small quests are more worthy and last longer than big ones.

 

Thank you.

 

so that was the infamous post that allowed you to insult us later?

i took my good 5 mins to read and answer you, i hope a bit of respect after that.

[Guest howyousawtheworld]

How is this thread still alive?

[Reilly]

why the fuck does this thread keep on getting bumped!!!

 

inorite?

[anacaren08]

I guess if she did get big as madonna or U2...I wouldn't really care. Not to be mean or anything. I mean if she changed and made some good songs I might like them. But I know I wouldn't care just like I don't care about madonna or U2. And U2 is pretty good, but I don't really care much about em. So yea I guess that's how I would feel :P