I was just reading on a guitar forum about this song having a similar riff to the others.It starts at :35.Its from 2001

 

[ame=http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI]YouTube - ENANITOS VERDES - FRANCES LIMON[/ame]

 

I posted this earlier, but thank you for one with more comments.

 

Definitely sounds like the main melody used in 'If I Could Fly'.

 

Joe Satriani has created some amazing work, but 'If I Could Fly' was generic, and not ground-breaking, and does sound like many other songs. Coldplay's song is unique with its whole arrangement.

 

But if we're talking about his song from almost 15 years earlier, 'The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing', being adapted/borrowed by another band, then we might have a case. Cause that song is unbelievable.

[ame=http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_77Q9bSjPoc]YouTube - Joe Satriani The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing[/ame]

Coldplay Makes Off With Music In The Night

 

Ouch! :o

 

 

Stories of major pop artists plagiarizing unknown acts seem to hit the net every other day. The news is generally triggered or immediately followed by a YouTube video placing each song side by side, occasionally over one another. Timbaland is often the culprit, most recently for stealing elements of a Finnish electronic artist's composition and a Turkish folk song for tracks on Nelly Furtado's Loose. This is to be expected, given that a large portion of Timbaland's work from earlier in this decade contain illegal samples from Middle Eastern songs (See "Big Pimpin" in comparison to Abdel Halim Hafez's "Khosara). Timbaland's colleague Justin Timberlake isn't necessarily innocent either, receiving bogus accusations that he stole the chorus of "My Love" from a song of the same title by UK garage artist Kele Le Roc.

 

Now with that said, no matter how much you think Chris Martin is a douche-face, you would not expect Coldplay to fall victim to similar plagiarism accusations. With seven Grammy nominations this year and millions of albums sold, Coldplay may suck but they're extremely successful in their suckage. But maybe those Grammy awards don't belong in their hands after all. The sort-of title track of the group's latest album Viva La Vida or Death and All of His Friends (you know, that one in the iPod commercials) has been the subject of not one, but two plagiarism allegations.

 

It all started last June when Andrew Hoepfner of Brooklyn band Creaky Boards noticed that the melody of "Viva La Vida" was virtually the same as his band's song "The Songs I Didn't Write". He claimed that Coldplay frontman Chris Martin had attended a concert a year ago, and while the group was honored to see him in attendance, they weren't so honored to hear the song they practically wrote playing on the radio without their credit. Despite the extreme similarities between the two songs, Hoepfner eventually retracted his statements, likely due to some hush money from EMI.

 

The second time around, the accuser isn't exactly a nobody. Billboard is reporting that Joe Satriani, former lead guitarist of Deep Purple, filed a suit against Coldplay for copyright infringement. He claims "Viva La Vida" uses "substantial original portions" of his 2004 instrumental track "If I Could Fly" without any credit given. As expected, someone has concocted a YouTube video bringing the two songs together for our ears to judge before the case is even heard. Perhaps Team Satriani has a chance. But let's be real. Even if Chris Martin loses this case, he'll still have enough money to put food in Moses and Apple's mouths. Coldplay will just be losing some of their artistic integrity, and it's about fucking time that finally happened.

 

http://www.cinemablend.com

this is nothing but bullshit. i bet coldplay doesn't even know who this guy is.. and of course when a song is successful there's a whole bunch of other people who wants to take credit for it. and for the record, how many bands doesn't copy coldplay? almost every single one..

 

and i do totally agree with whoever wrote that then all musicians should go ahead and sue eachother because every single musician copy! or should i say, they're getting inspiration from eachother.

^^Now that was just mean. :sick2:

 

YouTube - ENANITOS VERDES - FRANCES LIMON[/url]

 

I posted this earlier, but thank you for one with more comments.

 

Definitely sounds like the main melody used in 'If I Could Fly'.

 

Joe Satriani has created some amazing work, but 'If I Could Fly' was generic, and not ground-breaking, and does sound like many other songs. Coldplay's song is unique with its whole arrangement.

 

But if we're talking about his song from almost 15 years earlier, 'The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing', being adapted/borrowed by another band, then we might have a case. Cause that song is unbelievable.

YouTube - Joe Satriani The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing

 

Now if we want to talk about music from 35 years earlier, looks like Satriani actually ripped off Cat Stevens! :shocked2:

 

Found this in the comments of a National Post article:

I loved this riff when I first heard it back in 1973 in Cat Stevens's "Foreigner Suite," the part where he sings: "The moment you walked inside my door/I knew that I need not look no more..."

As Ecclesiastes says, there's nothing new under the sun.

 

[ame=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWjg_xlVxg]YouTube - Cat Stevens - Heaven[/ame]

Now if we want to talk about music from 35 years earlier, looks like Satriani actually ripped off Cat Stevens!

Great find Space Cadet.

 

Can I just add to the collection of songs with similar melodies to the Satriani riff. It seems he should be sueing CHRIS REA.

 

[ame=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sQCymJjKLsM]YouTube - Chris Rea-Fool(If you think it's over)[/ame]

 

Slower tempo but definite similarities. How dare Chris Rea steal from (the legendary)Satriani in 1978, Joe should sue!

 

I think it goes to show that the same melodies/riffs are going to pop up time and again, but does it constituite plagerism? I don't think so espeacially when the songs go off in such different directions.

 

But as they say in the music industry write a hit get a writ!

I don't understand why people even bother about discussing this. Ok, the riff on Satriani's song is similar to the chorus melody in Viva, but, c'mon, that's not plagiarism. You cannot make perfectly original music. You can always find coincidences in songs. I don't understand this hype.

 

Besides, they are not that similar.

Here is another song with the same melody, from 1981, long before Joe Satriani's 'If I could Fly'.

 

Marty Balin - Hearts (1981) (Thanks to the guy on blabbermouth for the link)

 

[ame=http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vASdN1WZWAM]YouTube - Marty Balin - Hearts[/ame]

 

Sorry Joe, seen you in concert, followed you for more than 20 years, appreciate all your songs right up until 'Crystal Planet', but you are claiming a melody that isn't yours to claim - the music belongs to many artists before you produced it.

 

What else is yours, you invented the internet? PS - Al Gore beat you to it. ;)

Joe Satriani speaks about Coldplay lawsuit

 

 

As previously reported on MusicRadar, Joe Satriani is suing Coldplay, claiming the UK band's Grammy-nominated song Viva La Vida uses one of his melodies.

 

In court papers filed on 4 December 2008, Satriani's legal team alleges Viva La Vida, the title track of Coldplay's current album, copies "substantial original portions" of his song If I Could Fly.

 

Satriani's song was included on his 2004 album Is There Love In Space?

 

Speaking exclusively to MusicRadar on 6 December, Joe Satriani recalls the exact emotion he felt when he first heard Coldplay's Viva La Vida.

 

"The second I heard, I knew..."

 

"I felt like a dagger went right through my heart. It hurt so much," Satriani says. "The second I heard it, I knew it was [my own] If I Could Fly."

 

As it turned out, Satriani wasn't the only one who noticed the similarity between If I Could Fly and Viva La Vida.

 

"Almost immediately, from the minute their song came out, my e-mail box flooded with people going, 'Have you heard this song by Coldplay? They ripped you off man.' I mean, I couldn't tell you how many e-mails I received.

 

"Everybody noticed the similarities between the songs. It's pretty obvious. It's as simple as that - when you listen to a song and you say, 'Wow, that's a real rip-off.'"

 

What makes the situation especially painful for Satriani is that If I Could Fly isn't just any song. It's a composition he'd been laboring over for well over 10 years before he recorded it.

 

"I started writing it on the Flying In A Blue Dream tour back in 1990. But because of the way I write, sometimes songs take a while, as this one did. In 2003 I started demoing it in earnest. I played it on the acoustic guitar on a demo so I could sing the melody, then I demoed it on electric to get the sound. And the performance turned out to be so spontaneous, so right and so emotional, that it wound up being a keeper."

 

Satriani feels "really hurt"

 

Since If I Could Fly came out in 2004, Satriani has been gratified by the reaction it's received from his fans, many of whom have called it one of his most captivating songs.

 

"That was the intent all along," he says. "It was a love letter to my wife, Rubina – a simple, direct expression of feeling.

 

"That's what really hurts about this whole thing. That I spent so long writing the song, thinking about it, loving it, nursing it, and then finally recording it and standing on stages the world over playing it - and then somebody comes along and plays the exact same song and calls it their own."

 

Since it was announced on 4 December 2008 that Satriani is suing Coldplay for alleged plagiarism, seeking a jury trial and "any and all profits" connected to Viva La Vida, his life has been turned upside down.

 

"This has been the weirdest thing I've ever been involved in," he says. "The media attention has been bizarre and surreal. I really can't explain how I've felt over the past day or two."

 

"I did everything I could to avoid a court case"

Satriani stresses that his motives are ruled by artistic purity and an overriding sense of right and wrong.

 

"Everybody's assumes I'm trying to go after these guys in Coldplay, as if I'm doing this with malice," he says "That's the furthest thing from my mind. I'm just doing what I need to do as an artist, to protect what's mine, to protect those feelings I put down in song.

 

"I did everything I could to avoid a court case with this situation. But Coldplay didn't want to talk about it. They just wanted this whole thing to go away. Maybe they figured this little guitar player guy will leave them alone after a while, I don't know.

 

"But we're talking about a piece of art that I created, and that's something I feel is important. I think everybody should feel that way."

 

And now, Satriani's team will ask a jury to decide.

 

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/joe-satriani-speaks-about-coldplay-lawsuit-185914

Another one? i believe in few years time writing new music will be impossible if everyone start to claim songs theirs , just because 1, 2 similar notes.

I'm not saying that in case of full copy-paste :D artist should't do anything, but in this case i think it's not worth it. I'm sure Coldplay have never heard of him.

 

p.s bth how ended 'Clocks' case? :D as i remember someone had some issues with Coldplay about this song too.

I really think somebody should send Debs all this songs, It might help somehow if they do end going on court...

 

About Satriani, so then he tried to do something before to sue the guys! Again, I think is similar, but to think they are the same or he´s the only one who has come out with the idea (and chords) before is kinda narcissist :-p

Another one? i believe in few years time writing new music will be impossible if everyone start to claim songs theirs , just because 1, 2 similar notes.

I'm not saying that in case of full copy-paste :D artist should't do anything, but in this case i think it's not worth it. I'm sure Coldplay have never heard of him.

 

p.s bth how ended 'Clocks' case? :D as i remember someone had some issues with Coldplay about this song too.

 

sigh.

 

coldplay WILL have heard of joe satriani. practically everyone in the world has heard of satch.

 

just because you haven't doesn't mean they're as musically single-minded.

oh, my feelings about this whole issue can be perfectly resumed by stereogum:

Did you hear about how everybody wrote "Viva La Vida" before Coldplay wrote "Viva La Vida"?

sigh.

 

coldplay WILL have heard of joe satriani. practically everyone in the world has heard of satch.

 

just because you haven't doesn't mean they're as musically single-minded.

 

well i'm sorry then :D

now i checked him and as it turns out i know him and you're obvously right. It's just my musically single mindness could not recall his name...that is no better though :D

 

but still you could be less rude.

sigh.

 

coldplay WILL have heard of joe satriani. practically everyone in the world has heard of satch.

 

just because you haven't doesn't mean they're as musically single-minded.

 

Ive heard of Satriani though Ive never listened to his music. I think the bottom line is Satriani has a case. The songs are similiar and not just a couple seconds as some have said, the songs rhythm and melody run similiar througout and the lead's also run similiar in many parts. Anyone not using extreme bias towards coldplay see's that and will admit it.

 

However the problem is, as others have stated, there is so much music today that there are going to be songs that sound like others, its just impossible for that not to happen. I'm a big coldplay fan, a very big music fan of current and old music, especially rock music of all kinds. Personally I dont see how this can be a total coincidence, the songs are too similiar to me, but even thinking that I know that anything is possible and how can you prove that it wasnt a coincidence?

 

I doubt Coldplay flat out ripped him off, I believe they would have given credit to him, they dont seem like those types of guys, but none of us really know them well or personally. I think that somehow the Satriani song influenced them while coming up with and then recording the song and that made it so the song came out very similiar.

Well...maybe similiar, I think as everyone has pointed out its not JUST Satriani's song that is "similar" and what I do find hard to believe is that Coldplay managed to rip off every one of those songs at once ( now THATS talent) or that Satriani didn't rip off one of those himself.

 

Legally it is a hard case to prove. Similar doesn't count, it has to be EXACT for 8-9 notes... musically noted, same notes (probably even the same octave and the case is even more weakened by the fact it isn't the same instrument). It is also hard to prove that they listened to his music prior to writting the song. Now, do I think they had heard of him OF COURSE I do, but he is gonna need more than, oh I am well known, people should know me. He's gonna need his song on Chris's Ipod or something.

 

One thing is for certain, if Satch wins then Coldplay, Satch, Creeky Broads (whoever the hell they are) and ALL these other bands should just get together throw all their "assets" from their songs into a big pile, play a game of poker and whoever wins wins....it's kinda rediculous actually Satch doesn't want to own up to his songs sounding similar to anyone elses, but god forbid when a well to do artists sounds like his....

Coldplay is just too big and i don't think they would risk to flat copy others music(i definately don't know them personaly, but hope they're not that stupid). So if there's some serious similarities it's more of a coincidence.

I think that Satriani's music is absolute shit, and either he's trying to get attention or he's just mad as a march hare, he seriously needs to get his facts straight. i dont believe Coldplay stole his song, I know all of Coldplay's songs and each is unique and original. This guy needs to grow up and find something better to do....

 

What an asshole...

I think that Satriani's music is absolute shit, and either he's trying to get attention or he's just mad as a march hare, he seriously needs to get his facts straight. i dont believe Coldplay stole his song, I know all of Coldplay's songs and each is unique and original. This guy needs to grow up and find something better to do....

 

What an asshole...

Oooops :P Double post...

What's all this fuss about Coldplay and plagiarism?

 

This is all over the music news syndications - Rolling Stone, MTV music.... Fans in other bands fan sites are posting about this. There's a youtube comparing the two songs. What's up with this?

 

Coldplay, no strangers to plagiarism accusations, are now being sued by guitar virtuoso Joe Satriani, as the guitarist is accusing the band of ripping off his 2004 track “If I Could Fly” for their own Grammy-nominated hit “Viva La Vida.” Satriani filed a copyright infringement suit against the band in Los Angeles yesterday, accusing Coldplay of stealing “substantial original portions.” :\

 

http://www.officialfanclub.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101:coldplays-alleged-plagarism-of-joe-satriani&catid=3:newsflash&Itemid=87

 

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WHY would Coldplay rip off a song by a guy who TOOOOOONS of people listen to? do you really think they sat down and said "this guy has a huge following and is very well respected, lets rip off one of his songs. NO one will EVER know!" And the last time they actually used another song, they gave TONS of credit to Kraftwerk.

If he heard it RIGHT when it came out, why didn't he jump out of his seat RIGHT then and get on the phone with his lawyer?

iwonder , actually, how you guys even know who this guy is O_o......

who cares anyway? .. court will never rule in his favor.

again? now on a rush of blood to the head!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWElIeC68Ak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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again? now on a rush of blood to the head!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWElIeC68Ak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:P

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA:laugh3:

WHY would Coldplay rip off a song by a guy who TOOOOOONS of people listen to? do you really think they sat down and said "this guy has a huge following and is very well respected, lets rip off one of his songs. NO one will EVER know!" And the last time they actually used another song, they gave TONS of credit to Kraftwerk.

If he heard it RIGHT when it came out, why didn't he jump out of his seat RIGHT then and get on the phone with his lawyer?

 

Very true. That's why I'm so skeptical about Coldplay purposely stealing. It just seems pretty idiotic. Plus, they did give credit to Kraftwerk, so why do this?