December 6, 200817 yr I have never heard of this Joe Satriani in my life, so to the guy on page 5 who was arguing that he is more well known... um no. Also I have a theory that all these random "Joe" fans are probably Joe Satriani himself.. he's made some accounts here to defend his name, since he probably doesn't have any fans to do it for him. :laugh3: ............
December 6, 200817 yr "but i'm sure coldplay has a team of lawyers who are going to make sure he doesn't get shit" Not to mention that EMI very likely has a team of lawyers looking to make sure it's star attraction doesn't suffer damage. Even though labels rarely get involved in this type of thing, I'm willing to bet this is one case where the label feels it has enough on the line to throw in and protect it's larger interests...
December 6, 200817 yr The only thing im worried about are the grammys!...Do u guys think this will afeect them?
December 6, 200817 yr "Different chords, different key, different notes, different speed, different melody, different rythm. Whatever similarity there is is purely coincidental" Agreed. IMHO there is enough there to gives grounds to file a lawsuit (certainly more than Creaky Boards had), but the evidence of intent is what's always hard to prove in these cases. " But if you feel blind rabid fandom overtaking you and you feel compelled to disparage Satriani, at least get your facts straight and don't look like an ignorant moron. Saying nobody knows who he is just shows some of us that you really don't have much knowledge about music in general. Or perhaps you've never picked up Rolling Stone or read any articles about the great musicians of our age." I don't mean to disrespect Satch, but I think some of his supporters on this thread overestimate his reknown and regard. The genre of instrumental prog rock he plays has a limited audience. That in in of itself is not a bad thing at all, but keep in mind that the appeal of thart type of music is mainly built around technical expertise and or guitar tricks. The bulk ofthe audience for this is mainly composed of people who know/play guitar and like to wank out on this technical stuff (and I don't mean that in a negative way). For laypeople (in the sense meaning people who aren't as guitar informed or whatever), are less likely to be impressed by tat type of playing, and thus think little of it. So...when people here say they are unimpressed with Satch they are likely not lying, they're just evaluating his music on different terms than his fans (as I would imagine many of Satch's fans' do with Coldplay's music.) As for myself, I respect his technical skill a great deal, but find that style of playing to be little more than a formal exersise. Regardless, the fact remains that Satch is virtually unkown outside of certain circles (and he likely wants it this way as he goes out o his way to avoid the hype and spotlight that make other musicians household names.) For good or bad, to the vast majority of people he is indeed a "nobody" (meaning they have never heard of him, not that he is in any way bad...) "but i'm sure coldplay has a team of lawyers who are going to make sure he doesn't get shit" Not to mention that EMI very likely has a team of lawyers looking to make sure it's star attraction doesn't suffer damage. Even though labels rarely get involved in this type of thing, I'm willing to bet this is one case where the label feels it has enough on the line to throw in and protect it's larger interests... I agree with what you are saying. He's not a main stream artist and more of a guitarist type guy known by other guitarist type people. But lets face it, getting even a small chunk of Viva sales is an ass load of money and I would think his motavation. Jonny's not doing some super tech guitar god stuff on the song, it's not his thing and would sound totally out of place in a Coldplay song. Simple cord progressions they have been around for a zillion years do not a law suit make. :dozey: He will never prove intent and will loose. I hope they counter sue and force him to pay legal costs to (a) let all the other Chris Martin stole my ideas want-a-bes to think twice before filing frivilous lawsuits and (b) keep us, the fans, from footing those high priced lawyer bills. You think those costs don't get passed on to us, beacuse they do.
December 6, 200817 yr It shouldn't affect them unless they somehow rule against Coldplay before February 8th... I think, anyway, but I honestly have no idea. At least the Grammys aren't by popular vote! I remember listening to this song back during the Creaky Boards thing, and thinking that compared to them, this song sounded more similar. But that's really not saying much, of course! Listening to it again, I just don't think there's enough that sounds similar, it's really just those two lines in the chorus. If that's all it takes to claim plagiarism these days, there is something seriously wrong and every artist should be suing everyone else!
December 6, 200817 yr The only thing im worried about are the grammys!...Do u guys think this will afeect them? Why are you worried about the Grammys? There's nothing that Coldplay can do when it comes to the Grammys. All in all, it just depends on the Grammy voters. Some might consider it and others may not. Heck, there might be some who don't even know who this guy is so it might not have any impact on them. Also, some voters might be thinking the way I am thinking, and that is why wait this long to file suit on this issue, and just ignore it.
December 6, 200817 yr Coinicdence.. but remember Jagger vs. Ashcroft? I concurr with what everyone else had said: it's a coincidence, and you're really clutching at straws if you have to speed up a song to change its pitch and then say they sound the same. However, does anyone remember the Jagger vs. Ashcroft case when the Rolling Stones sued (and won) Richard Ashcroft of the Verve for their string melody in Bitter Sweet Symphony? Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample. Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" is largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards. “ "We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says band member Simon Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice." I listened to the original recording (an obscure album, no longer available) and whilst there were similarities, to suggest the entire song was written by Jagger was ludicrous... and yet they won. Granted, this happened in the UK and not the US, but I would be calling Richard Ashcroft if I were Chris to find out why they failed to persuade the jury otherwise.
December 6, 200817 yr "I hope they counter sue and force him to pay legal costs to (a) let all the other Chris Martin stole my ideas want-a-bes to think twice before filing frivilous lawsuits and (b) keep us, the fans, from footing those high priced lawyer bills. You think those costs don't get passed on to us, beacuse they do." Unortunately, I think Coldplay will likely be to nice to take anything other than pure defensive action... "However, does anyone remember the Jagger vs. Ashcroft case when the Rolling Stones sued (and won) Richard Ashcroft of the Verve for their string melody in Bitter Sweet Symphony?" 2 main diffrences in this case: 1. That was a case of one of the biggest (probably the biggest) band in the world sueing a band that was just beggining toget commercial success. Coldplay now is much bigger than the Verve were then, and thus have more resources to win their case. Conversely, as successful as Satch is, I highly doubt he has as much money as Coldplay to invest in legal work. It there is a lesson to be learned from that case it's that a huge commercial band is at an advantage over a smaller artist (and in this case Coldplay is the bigger band) 2. The verve admitted to building the song around the sample. The issue there was over the agreed royalty split. Keep in mind that just because Ashcroft says it was to be a 50/50 split does not mean that was legally the deal he signed (even if he was under the impression that it was). As such, the cases are completely different...
December 6, 200817 yr Just saw the same story posted somewhere else... http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/30356857.html people's comments are interesting.
December 6, 200817 yr I bet ten bucks that this Joe Satriani will back out at the last moment. It's been like the 100th time that unsuccesful artists have tried to steal profits from the band for their own personal use.
December 6, 200817 yr "It's been like the 100th time that unsuccesful artists have tried to steal profits from the band for their own personal use." Not that it really matters, but Satch is fairly successful, if not that well known to the mainstream public...
December 6, 200817 yr Just saw the same story posted somewhere else... http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/30356857.html people's comments are interesting. In times of crisis such as these, I think it;s important to get a sense of perspective of the priorities on the matter: I love this quote on that board: I just came in here to post the new picture of Guy I found yesterday :') that is all.
December 6, 200817 yr This is completely idiotic. This guy knows very well that Coldplay didn't copy him, he just sees that the band is doing really well right now and wants money. I can't believe how in those videos about Coldplay copying him they only play that ONE PART from the song that sounds similar to fool people. If people don't actually listen to both songs and just watch that video instead, they'll think Coldplay DID copy him. In reality, though, the songs sound COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. There is NO similarity.
December 6, 200817 yr I think you should listen to both original recordings.. The tempo is similiar, so is the pitch... I have been playing guitar for a long time... the key is the same too.... dude.... denial. By what I've read the key for Satriani's song is G no? The melody for VLV is note Bb, Eb, C, F (a flat key). Joe's melody is higher, and is clearly a different note combination, even if you transpose the key. dude. What's so funny and ironic about these accusations is that during X&Y, coldplay claimed to "plagiarize" artists we wouldn't have even guessed in their songs. So believe me, if coldplay knowingly ripped of any artist, Chris would be the first to tell you.
December 6, 200817 yr Of topic, but that pic makes Guy resemble Joseph Fiennes...Joseph Fiennes just filed a "he stole my look" suit. Must be a people named Joe thing. :P
December 6, 200817 yr I know this is a bit late but: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Coldplay&word2=Joe+Satriani and http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Jonny+Buckland+is+an+asshole&word2=Joe+Satriani+is+an+asshole
December 6, 200817 yr OMG I am right now mixing Viva La Vida with Joe's If I could Fly guitar solo, and man, it sounds epic, if Coldplay can't find a way to avoid this, they can do like a Remix or something.
December 6, 200817 yr http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Coldplay&word2=The+Beatles http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Coldplay&word2=Jesus+Christ http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Coldplay&word2=sliced+bread :D
December 6, 200817 yr "By what I've read the key for Satriani's song is G no? The melody for VLV is note Bb, Eb, C, F (a flat key). Joe's melody is higher, and is clearly a different note combination, even if you transpose the key. dude. Sounds about right. Even if not, anyone with ears can clearly hear that the version of the Satriani song in the mashup is markedly different from the version on it's official release...:thinking: I still say the basic chord progression is the only point of similarity I see (though admitidlly, I do see a great deal of similarity in that part.)
December 6, 200817 yr Sounds to me like someone just want to get into the Cash Cow! Coldplay just got 8 grammy nominations!!!
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