The Philosopher Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Chris is actually an expert in writing extremely good lyrics. I'm sensing what we hear on GS is intended to be simple. I exactly thought the same. Chris has written excellent lyrics, so if now they are making lyrics that these ones, it's just because they want them to be that way. It's a thing Coldplay would do in my opinion. And another thing, I seriously think that from what we have seen about the lyrics, Ghost Stories is about someone who died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durk Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I feel like it's one big love letter to Gwen- very personal but simple- so I'm okay with it. And yeah - I've never really listed to Coldplay- or any band for that matter- as much for the lyrics as I do the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Philosopher Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I don't know why but I think that, somehow, Ghost Stories is connected to Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowCouldIForget Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I exactly thought the same. Chris has written excellent lyrics, so if now they are making lyrics that these ones, it's just because they want them to be that way. It's a thing Coldplay would do in my opinion. And another thing, I seriously think that from what we have seen about the lyrics, Ghost Stories is about someone who died. I feel that it's not 'meant to be that way' and here's why. Viva and MX were very strong lyrically, as contrasted with say Parachutes and X&Y which weren't (though they were still great albums). With this in mind, the lack of having Brian Eno and Markus Dravs on board is rather worrisome. I recall a story in the Viva era where Chris brought one of them lyrics for a song. Brian or Markus told him they definitely weren't good enough and to write something better, so later Chris came back with Cemeteries of London (rather good lyrically). Listening to the GS songs (especially Another's Arms and Magic) I get the feeling no one is willing to challenge/stand up to Chris the way Brian/Markus did or more importantly, push him to his full potential. Will is known for deciding on whether a song is good enough or not but I get the feeling that's almost strictly on a musical basis. After all, it's my understanding Chris alone writes the lyrics so what legitimate criticism could Will really offer if he's not a lyricist? This is my gripe with concept albums, you have to write 4/5 of the songs about the exact same subject, otherwise it doesn't 'work.' You lose so much quality that way. Atlas is much better than anything from GS so far, Moving to Mars and Christmas Lights were better than anything on MX (save maybe UATW) but incredible and amazing songs must be left off because they don't 'fit' and that's an honest tragedy. It's not about making the best songs and thinking outside the box anymore, it's about fencing in a concept and running a rail through 10 songs so that they line up nose-to-tail, regardless of if they're truly the best of what the band can make (as we saw with Paradise and PoC on MX for example). :disappointed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gai Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I recall a story in the Viva era where Chris brought him lyrics for a song. Brian told him they definitely weren't good enough and to write something better, so later Chris came back with Cemeteries of London (rather good lyrically). Actually, if i remember correctly, it was markus dravs that told chris that the death and all his friends demo wasn't good enough. he mentioned that specifically as an anecdote to show how dravs kicked their butts. and chris didn't mention what aspects of the song dravs didn't like (lyrics as you mention) Listening to the GS songs (especially Another's Arms and Magic) I get the feeling no one is willing to challenge/stand up to Chris the way Brian did or more importantly, push him to his full potential. Will is known for deciding on whether a song is good enough or not but I get the feeling that's almost strictly on a musical basis. After all, it's my understanding Chris alone writes the lyrics so what legitimate criticism could Will really offer if he's not a lyricist? the band have said again and again that everything on the songs and the songs themselves have to get the approval of every band member. and i remember in a kroq interview, the interviewers asking whether the other members have a say in the lyrics and chris said absolutely. since even though they may not sing, they play on the songs. and i remember chris saying that name dropping is prohibited in coldplay songs and getting the words china and japan were hard enough. this is a will's rule. so i wouldn't say chris has total and final say on the lyrics, even though he is the primary writer. but overall i agree with you that the lyrics feel uninspired. that's my problem. it's ok to be simplistic. we'll have to just wait and see, but lyrically, this may not be on par with their best. on the concept idea, we have to understand that it is their artistic vision. since x&y, they have been very careful on this. i am still not over not including moving to mars in mx, but it is their work after all. all the same the atmosphere of the songs have me very excited. what we've heard so far give me a lot of hope. not essentially lyrically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowCouldIForget Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Actually, if i remember correctly, it was markus dravs that told chris that the death and all his friends demo wasn't good enough. he mentioned that specifically as an anecdote to show how dravs kicked their butts. and chris didn't mention what aspects of the song dravs didn't like (lyrics as you mention) the band have said again and again that everything on the songs and the songs themselves have to get the approval of every band member. and i remember in a kroq interview, the interviewers asking whether the other members have a say in the lyrics and chris said absolutely. since even though they may not sing, they play on the songs. and i remember chris saying that name dropping is prohibited in coldplay songs and getting the words china and japan were hard enough. this is a will's rule. so i wouldn't say chris has total and final say on the lyrics, even though he is the primary writer. Thank you kindly, I didn't mean to spread any false information- just to reinforce an argument I had in mind. Clearly, you're more well read on the band than I am :) To be honest though, I think your explanation worries me even more. If it was just Brian and Markus not being there that'd be one thing, I don't want to try to imagine the rest of the band okaying Magic. :uneasy: And of course you're right, it's up to them and that's how it should be. But sometimes I wonder about their decisions on more recent albums. :inquisitive: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaes Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I seriously think that from what we have seen about the lyrics, Ghost Stories is about someone who died. Absolutely, I think the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_escapist Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Judging by the artwork and lyrics it is more about a love story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler21 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Of topic, but still wondering. Is there going to be a vinyl release? I found this webiste ( http://www.recordstore.co.uk/recordstore/recordstore/Ghost-Stories/37I50000000 ) taking pre-orders, but is it real or just that website guessing that there will be one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny and the cake Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 ehm, that's one of the most affidable records online shop in the world.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chommy_16 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I would have have to kill myself if the release from recordstore wasn't real. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmjenny Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 :bliss::bliss::bliss::bliss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Philosopher Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Judging by the artwork and lyrics it is more about a love story. Well yes, in fact a mix of a love story and of someone who passed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Wherecan i read the whole Rolling Stone review about the show in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tash Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Wherecan i read the whole Rolling Stone review about the show in LA. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Rolling Stone review of yesterday's concert (21 March 2014) <a href="http://t.co/h0y8iujNXH">http://t.co/h0y8iujNXH</a> T</p>— Coldplay news (@coldplaying) <a href="https://twitter.com/coldplaying/statuses/447462089939226624">March 22, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom043 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Radom thought... The ''All your friends'' drawing looks a bit like a machine gun, maybe it's a song with a War Child kind of theme (all your friends, lost in war) ... could see them do something like that with a bonus track, helping a charity. + that would make for brilliant lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpham2014 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Please read my blog on Ghost Stories : http://johnpham2014.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JillyBlue Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Have you noticed what coldplay.com has done on the home page? They've added a magnifying glass effect that lets you scan over the artwork and see it in closer detail. Some interesting images there. I see images for "Magic" and "Midnight," will have to continue to study it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durk Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wow just today I looked at the broken heart/wings and thought - I wish I could get tighter and see what symbolism is in the images there. Thx for heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harondor Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Have you noticed what coldplay.com has done on the home page? They've added a magnifying glass effect that lets you scan over the artwork and see it in closer detail. Some interesting images there. I see images for "Magic" and "Midnight," will have to continue to study it. It's not added, it's here since they launched their new website (3 march) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AJ123 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Any vinyl preorders in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Philosopher Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 So, I got this idea. The US Target edition will have 3 bonus tracks. What if there were separate editions for all major countries that all had different bonus tracks?) In this way, no integrity would be lost (9 tracks, 45 mins, blah-blah-blah) aand we get to hear much more material) not gonna happen though) I don't think that this will happen this time but, for the future, this would be brilliant in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabber Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yeah.. these people are at xdjpop.org claiming to leak it somewhere fortnight before official release http://xdjpop.org/coldplay-ghost-stories/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowCouldIForget Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I can't help but still wonder at the lyrics and their somewhat simplistic nature. I feel like maybe it's because 1. It fits with everything else being stripped down and not being "overdone" supposedly like on MX or 2. Chris is doing what he did after X&Y, he feels like he's getting all the attention and he wants the other members to shine so he made the lyrics purposely simple to draw attention away from them and towards the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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