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[cp3176]

I agree with that last part. They put their creativity and faith into a hitmaker not an outside the box thinker like a Jon Hopkins or an Eno. It's basically "you want a radio hit so as to stay relevant? Let us produce your next album"

 

Exactly, As with many others, I'd prefer quality music from Coldplay over fame. I wouldn't care if Coldplay's album tanked in the charts if they decided to go all Kid A. At least we'd get to listen to some real masterpieces and that's what I truly care about. Now, I don't understand why all the trash music gets all the recognition nowadays as opposed to some really good mainstream music pre-2012, but hey, apparently everyone's musical tastes have gone way downhill nowadays for whatever reason. They've been drawn in to believing that this fake plastic pop is the best thing ever, it's just so sad that there's no appreciation for real music in the mainstream nowadays like there should be. People only want all the "hot girls" up on stage now, it's pathetic. The "pop concerts" have turned into a big plastic act. So dumb. Real music should get much more recognation over that.... and Coldplay shouldn't fall into the trap of these hitmaker producers and all these "tricks". Up until now, Coldplay never used them, never paid attention to them, and they never needed them. They wrote honest music that touched everyone who dared to really listen, and Coldplay's method has always worked. They wrote masterpieces. Not only that, they achieved worldwide fame, making #1 album after #1 album, that was actually true music. Coldplay were, and arguably still are, the largest genuine act out there. Everone else popular is nowhere near the artistry of Coldplay. Coldplay doesn't need none of these "popular tricks" to stay relevant. Those "tricks" just make your music forgettable within 3 months. The real tricks come from Coldplay. The tricks they use(d) actually work, and that's been proven many times. Not only that, but unlike these "hit-maker" tricks, Coldplay's tricks produce music that goes on to be remembered 15 years later. These Coldplay hits, unlike today's trash mainstream, are going to be remembered for a very, very long time. How long that is I don't know, but hey, The Who's "Baba O'Riley" was released back in 197 freaking 1. And most radios still play it. That's a song that, as far as I'm concerned, is going to stay relevant forever. It's a classic. Simple as that. I don't think any of Coldplay's songs will last more than 40 years but if they do, hey that's fantastic. Congratulations. All I'm trying to say is, that songs like The Who's "Baba O'Riley" will be remembered for many more years, while songs like "Black Magic" or something similar are going to be forgotten in tops, a year. If Coldplay had kept on choosing innovation over fame, they still would have got fame. They still did, but the difference is, with innovation and choosing producers like Eno and Hopkins over Stargate, they would have produced real hits. The kind of hits that get played many years into the future, instead of being played 30 million times a day and then forgotten 3 months later. So far, "Adventure of a Lifetime" isn't even getting played hardly on the radio, maybe like once every two weeks, and Everglow has been played... 0 times. Not any plays I've heard of yet. As far as I can see, there's no single from this album that'll be as widely-remembered as their older work. This album is proof that the "hitmaker" tricks don't work very well. Hopefully Coldplay have realized what a major mistake they've made by hiring Stargate over Eno or Hopkins -- many tracks on this album were degraded by the production/electronic beats, and many of the true hits that Coldplay have wrote were probably discarded, lost songs that could have been a Viva la Vida but never were, since they never reached the light of day because of those suckers Stargate having to listen to everything before choosing the "fake hitmakers" and then degrading the quality of those ones even more because of the pop production. Hopefully from this experience they go with innovation and experimentation for LP8, maybe an ambient rock album? With bringing in an experimental outside-of-the-box thinker like Eno or Hopkins rather than going with a forgettable-music producer. Maybe then will they produce yet another "real hit" that'll be remembered for a while. Hey, with working with people like those there's always space for reinvention even. If they go with them again we could see some real great stuff! So excited!! :D But then again, I'm not, because I know it probably won't happen. Because Coldplay can't make the right decisions, no more. But there's always that chance it will happen... then Coldplay can go back to making real hits. :)

 

 

Oh, a man can only dream.

Have a great day everyone.

 

 

 

/rant

[prospekt46]

Hopefully Coldplay have realized what a major mistake they've made by hiring Stargate over Eno or Hopkins -- many tracks on this album were degraded by the production/electronic beats, and many of the true hits that Coldplay have wrote were probably discarded, lost songs that could have been a Viva la Vida but never were, since they never reached the light of day because of those suckers Stargate having to listen to everything before choosing the "fake hitmakers" and then degrading the quality of those ones even more because of the pop production.

 

I remember after Viva La Vida being at an all time high with the band and hope for the future. It really felt like they were mastering the genre and were going to release another masterpiece and repeat the high of the Viva era all over again. If you actually listen to the Rock am Ring 2011 versions of Hurts Like Heaven and Charlie Brown they sounded very promising. However the edits made over time after the debut were all for the worse. MX didn't need to be covered in electo vocoder synth paint, it COULD have been much better as a "plainer" rock album.

 

Prime example:

Charlie Brown

 

This version has a much more straightforward pacing on the lyrics, no (perceivable) xylophone/piano overlay on Jonny's hook, and the bridge is again, more rock, less pop.

 

Hurts Like Heaven

 

Hard to really tell anything different, HLH has always been performed well live. This is probably the video doing this but the synth track kind of takes a back seat which works great because Jonny's guitar is really what gives this track the flavor. Will's drums are tuned in perfectly in the mix as well.

[EasySuperstition99]

I remember after Viva La Vida being at an all time high with the band and hope for the future. It really felt like they were mastering the genre and were going to release another masterpiece and repeat the high of the Viva era all over again. If you actually listen to the Rock am Ring 2011 versions of Hurts Like Heaven and Charlie Brown they sounded very promising. However the edits made over time after the debut were all for the worse. MX didn't need to be covered in electo vocoder synth paint, it COULD have been much better as a "plainer" rock album.

 

Prime example:

Charlie Brown

 

This version has a much more straightforward pacing on the lyrics, no (perceivable) xylophone/piano overlay on Jonny's hook, and the bridge is again, more rock, less pop.

 

Hurts Like Heaven

 

Hard to really tell anything different, HLH has always been performed well live. This is probably the video doing this but the synth track kind of takes a back seat which works great because Jonny's guitar is really what gives this track the flavor. Will's drums are tuned in perfectly in the mix as well.

 

I just realized this....what if we got a rock MX?!?!?!?!?!?! That would be freaking amazing! Someone needs to remix the tracks to give the guitars more presence and grit and the synths a backseat in the mix...Ah the dreams :)))))))))))))))))))

[LeftrightleftArchi]

I just realized this....what if we got a rock MX?!?!?!?!?!?! That would be freaking amazing! Someone needs to remix the tracks to give the guitars more presence and grit and the synths a backseat in the mix...Ah the dreams :)))))))))))))))))))

Well, we can easily do ETIAW because it has multitracks available. After that, we will need Dexynboy or SprayCanSoulGuy. But, they've already got multiple projects in the works.

[oldiefan]

Come on in! Pull up a chair! Favorite pre-MX song?? A or B side

Sorry - impossible to say - no way can I pick just one, or even a few favourites. I love too many of them.

But thanks for asking... and the nice welcome.

[beastwars]

I also think that the major wanted them to work with Stargate because they lost a lot of money by not having a GS tour...

[Choldplayer]

I wish Coldplay would to take inspiration from a real innovator like David Bowie and go totally left field.

[Choldplayer]

I also think that the major wanted them to work with Stargate because they lost a lot of money by not having a GS tour...

I do wonder how much of AHFOD direction was influenced by the record label wanting a big hit. The surprise release of the Birds video I've no doubt is to boost flagging sales in the UK.

[Guest kmm1482]

I do wonder how much of AHFOD direction was influenced by the record label wanting a big hit. The surprise release of the Birds video I've no doubt is to boost flagging sales in the UK.

I agree. It seems like such a non-video. Like someone took some quick b-roll and cut it into a behind-the-scenes video of the marketing photo shoot they did. Also, the album was already on sale for $7 last week

[Gideon_Mx]

Just saying, Birds is a good song and one of the reasons is that Jonny makes a variation during the last part of the song and makes ambience sounds in the first and second verse. He doesn't repeat the same thing all over again like in AOAL for example: it is a great riff, but you can't do the same thing for a WHOLE song, except for special cases.

The guitarsolo nearing the end of ''Birds'' always let me think of the riff in ''Glass Of Water'' in the beginning. Love it!!!

[Choldplayer]

What I'm listening to today....

 

[ColdplayingfromKansas]

I remember after Viva La Vida being at an all time high with the band and hope for the future. It really felt like they were mastering the genre and were going to release another masterpiece and repeat the high of the Viva era all over again. If you actually listen to the Rock am Ring 2011 versions of Hurts Like Heaven and Charlie Brown they sounded very promising. However the edits made over time after the debut were all for the worse. MX didn't need to be covered in electo vocoder synth paint, it COULD have been much better as a "plainer" rock album.

 

Prime example:

Charlie Brown

 

This version has a much more straightforward pacing on the lyrics, no (perceivable) xylophone/piano overlay on Jonny's hook, and the bridge is again, more rock, less pop.

 

Hurts Like Heaven

 

Hard to really tell anything different, HLH has always been performed well live. This is probably the video doing this but the synth track kind of takes a back seat which works great because Jonny's guitar is really what gives this track the flavor. Will's drums are tuned in perfectly in the mix as well.

 

I remember a lot of the forum being totally on board with LP5's direction after Rock am Ring (myself included). It sounded like it was going to be Viva with just a splash of pop--just enough to make it interesting. I remember playing that god-awful recording of PoC on repeat for months because what little I could make out just sounded awesome.

 

It's unfortunate that MX turned out the way it did. As long as that summer seemed waiting for October to roll around, that was probably my favorite stretch on the forums :(

[stephen]

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[JM-42]

I remember a lot of the forum being totally on board with LP5's direction after Rock am Ring (myself included). It sounded like it was going to be Viva with just a splash of pop--just enough to make it interesting. I remember playing that god-awful recording of PoC on repeat for months because what little I could make out just sounded awesome.

 

It's unfortunate that MX turned out the way it did. As long as that summer seemed waiting for October to roll around, that was probably my favorite stretch on the forums :(

 

I still remember the day Paradise came out, pretty sure it was around those days that The Sun revealed Rihanna was gonna feature in the album. I was like "yeah, there's no turning back now".

[cp3176]

I just realized this....what if we got a rock MX?!?!?!?!?!?! That would be freaking amazing! Someone needs to remix the tracks to give the guitars more presence and grit and the synths a backseat in the mix...Ah the dreams :)))))))))))))))))))

 

:D :D :D I would love to hear that!!!

[arushofjacktothehead]

:D :D :D I would love to hear that!!!

 

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[Cobalt]

my favourite thing about the birds video is the initial backlash against people not particularly liking all these 'god' references in the album saying oh it might not mean that much

 

big bright red signage in your face JESUS GOD IS LOVE

 

edited to add, on the whole mx debut songs being better than final edits by prospekt46: tbh those two songs are some of the better on the album, i'd be more interested in hearing paradise and princess of china getting those treatments to make a real judgement

[Choldplayer]

my favourite thing about the birds video is the initial backlash against people not particularly liking all these 'god' references in the album saying oh it might not mean that much

 

big bright red signage in your face JESUS GOD IS LOVE

 

edited to add, on the whole mx debut songs being better than final edits by prospekt46: tbh those two songs are some of the better on the album, i'd be more interested in hearing paradise and princess of china getting those treatments to make a real judgement

Yes, Coldplay are now Christian pop. :-0

[prospekt46]

my favourite thing about the birds video is the initial backlash against people not particularly liking all these 'god' references in the album saying oh it might not mean that much

 

big bright red signage in your face JESUS GOD IS LOVE

 

edited to add, on the whole mx debut songs being better than final edits by prospekt46: tbh those two songs are some of the better on the album, i'd be more interested in hearing paradise and princess of china getting those treatments to make a real judgement

 

Not like it's the first, second, third, or fourth time they've used religion in some way in their songs. The music video feels like I'm getting tossed around in a washing machine.

 

Here's the earliest version of POC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJCJe8hRFrM

Better without Rhianna but that's all I can really tell from it. More Jonny ambiance and less thumping and it could have been a much different song.

[prospekt46]

What songs give you a wintery feeling?

 

A Ghost does it for me, especially this particular version because the reverb on the other version is a little off-putting (and the bonus at the end of this helps)

[arushofjacktothehead]

Midnight and Sparks. Midnight gives me chills (good ones) but at the same time is quite frankly the most beautiful thing I've heard on Ghost Stories, fits well with the dark winter nights:)As for Sparks I think of being warm and cosy inside by a hot fire, playing an acoustic guitar:guitarist:

 

 

 

[prospekt46]

Midnight and Sparks. Midnight gives me chills (good ones) but at the same time is quite frankly the most beautiful thing I've heard on Ghost Stories, fits well with the dark winter nights:)

 

 

Midnight was so misleading. If the album was like Midnight it might have been something really good. Instead it was overproduced yet again. So many songs were so close to being SO GOOD. Another's Arms (artistic choices in studio version, live version isn't bad at all)

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True Love (could have been something like Proof if you want a comparison), Magic needed more Jonny magic and no drum machine (big surprise) and Chris's vocal effects need to be cut.

[LeftrightleftArchi]

^ Believe it or not, True Love received Critical Acclaim (according to Wikipedia)

[ColdplayingfromKansas]

What songs give you a wintery feeling?

 

Hmm. The whole Parachutes album has always given me a cool-and-silent-misty-morning type of feel. As for individual songs, I'd go with Midnight, I Bloom Blaum (maybe not so much winter as just this really stark, bleak, cold night), or Prospekt's March.

[ColdplayingfromKansas]

Midnight was so misleading. If the album was like Midnight it might have been something really good. Instead it was overproduced yet again. So many songs were so close to being SO GOOD. Another's Arms (artistic choices in studio version, live version isn't bad at all)

 

True Love (could have been something like Proof if you want a comparison), Magic needed more Jonny magic and no drum machine (big surprise) and Chris's vocal effects need to be cut.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but the whole Ghost Stories album could have been just FANTASTIC if the lyrics were better. It's supposed to be this deep blue, cool, melancholic thing that portrays the bleakness of heartbreak (which the instrumentals pull of very well for the most part), but without good lyrics to spark that emotional connection, the whole thing just kinda floats dead in the water.