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Pay attention to all of MX, the vocal melody and strings of UFO, the riff of POC, the chorus of UIF, all of AHT, the verse of DLIBYH, and the "Might have to go where they don't know my name" part of UWTB. Trust me, the melody is everywhere!! :)
Thanks! I'll check that soon [emoji6]
This strengthens what I said about MX being a real concept album. Thanks for pointing this out [emoji106]

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Chris is not such a bad lyricist as people always say. Sure, he did some big blunders (Proof, Another's Arms, and a lot of MX), but nonetheless think of all the lyrics on AROBTTH, X&Y, VLVODAAHF. His lyrics often relate to personal feelings in a very vague way, leaving room to interpretation and for everyone to mirror or find him-/herself in them. This is beautiful.
At least I do like them.
 

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Personally I think he's a pretty poor lyricist, as for Mylo - you can read interpretations like that into any album if you want to, the reason you need the comics is to give the non-story a story. Albums like The Wall tell you a story, albums like Mylo you have to tell it the story, because it isnt actually there. That's why they made the comics, to actually tell the story - which, in keeping with Chris' lyrical style, is cliched as fuck. Technically you could consider Mylo a concept album, but it would be in name only.

I think if I could change one thing about Coldplay, it would probably be the lyrics. Chris can write good lyrics, think the songs A Rush of Blood to the Head and Viva la Vida, but all too often he is content with just stringing bland cliches together - think Fix You. Unfortunately I don't see this changing with an album called "A Head Full of Dreams" but who knows? If he puts the effort in, he can write interesting lyrics.
 
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Personally I think he's a pretty poor lyricist, as for Mylo - you can read interpretations like that into any album if you want to, the reason you need the comics is to give the non-story a story. Albums like The Wall tell you a story, albums like Mylo you have to tell it the story, because it isnt actually there. That's why they made the comics, to actually tell the story - which, in keeping with Chris' lyrical style, is bland as fuck. Technically you could consider Mylo a concept album, but it would be in name only.

I think if I could change one thing about Coldplay, it would probably be the lyrics. Chris can write good lyrics, think the songs A Rush of Blood to the Head and Viva la Vida, but all too often he is content with just stringing bland cliches together - think Fix You. Unfortunately I don't see this changing with an album called "A Head Full of Dreams" but who knows? If he puts the effort in, he can write interesting lyrics.
I took some time to read some of the lyrics of The Wall. I knew some songs from that album but I hadn't really paid attention to some of the lyrics. While some are impressive, others actually fall short imo. I love Mother, What Shall We Do Now?, Young Lust and some others. These have magnificent lyrics. But songs like Don't Leave Me Now, Goodbye Cruel World and The Happiest Days Of Our Lives don't impress me lyrically. I can obviously notice a story in this album, but in terms of lyrics I actually find MX more interesting. I like the lyrics of MX better than the lyrics of The Wall.
Besides, any concept album can not be a concept album. If I didn't know The Wall is a concept album, I would never find that out on my own. I have to make the story myself too.
I might be alone in this opinion, but it is mine.

About Fix You, how can you say this song is bland? For me, its lyrics are as deep as the Mariana Trench!! They're raw, beautiful and iconic ("Lights will guide you home").

Then again, it's your opinion against mine.

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I took some time to read some of the lyrics of The Wall. I knew some songs from that album but I hadn't really paid attention to some of the lyrics. While some are impressive, others actually fall short imo. I love Mother, What Shall We Do Now?, Young Lust and some others. These have magnificent lyrics. But songs like Don't Leave Me Now, Goodbye Cruel World and The Happiest Days Of Our Lives don't impress me lyrically. I can obviously notice a story in this album, but in terms of lyrics I actually find MX more interesting. I like the lyrics of MX better than the lyrics of The Wall.
Besides, any concept album can not be a concept album. If I didn't know The Wall is a concept album, I would never find that out on my own. I have to make the story myself too.
I might be alone in this opinion, but it is mine.

About Fix You, how can you say this song is bland? For me, its lyrics are as deep as the Mariana Trench!! They're raw, beautiful and iconic ("Lights will guide you home").

Then again, it's your opinion against mine.

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True, and a lot of people love Fix You. I just think it's awful lyrically.

"When you try your best but you don't succeed,
When you get what you want but not what you need,
When you feel so tired but you can't sleep,
Stuck in reverse."

I mean, it sounds like a Hallmarks card poem. Every single line is a cliche. Like - Every. Single. One. No creativity whatsoever. Compare this to the imagination in some of Chris' good lyrics:

"I'm gonna buy this place and burn it down,
I'm gonna put it six feet underground,
I'm gonna buy this place and watch it burn,
Do back the things it did to you in return."

So much more striking and creative. Sadly lyrics like these have been in the minority over Coldplay's career.
 
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True, and a lot of people love Fix You. I just think it's awful lyrically.

"When you try your best but you don't succeed,
When you get what you want but not what you need,
When you feel so tired but you can't sleep,
Stuck in reverse."

I mean, it sounds like a Hallmarks card poem. Every single line is a cliche. Like - Every. Single. One. No creativity whatsoever. Compare this to the imagination in some of Chris' good lyrics:

"I'm gonna buy this place and burn it down,
I'm gonna put it six feet underground,
I'm gonna buy this place and watch it burn,
Do back the things it did to you in return."

So much more striking and creative. Sadly lyrics like these have been in the minority over Coldplay's career.
In Fix You, Chris uses paradoxes to express pain. It's a creative way to do so, imo. They're not his most imaginative lyrics, I agree, but I wouldn't call them awful nor cliched.
AROBTTH is a gem, both lyrically and instrumentally. One cannot deny that. Its lyrics are indeed fantastic. But when you compare the lyrics you mentioned to X&Y (example) they don't seem 'that' great:

"Trying hard to speak and
Fighting with my weak hand
Driven to distraction
It’s all part of the plan"

For me, these lyrics are better than the AROBTTH ones. You might not have the same opinion, but that's my point: everything is relative. When you compare Fly On to Politik, the best song between these two is obvious. But when you compare Fly On to UFO, it starts to be harder to say. It's all relative.

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Yeah, Fix you lyrics might be a bit sugared (and I never understood what exactly it would feel like to have your bones ignited...), but still, I can relate to them pretty well.
I have to say I may take more issue with the lyrics if I was a native English speaker. Cause I hate listening to German songs because I always think about how crappy and cliched the lyrics sound. In English, everything sounds better to me from the outset :) So i guess it also depends on what your native language is.
 
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Yeah, Fix you lyrics might be a bit sugared (and I never understood what exactly it would feel like to have your bones ignited...), but still, I can relate to them pretty well.
The "ignite your bones" thing is a metaphor for the moment you reach the lights (heaven). I don't know how it feels too (thankfully [emoji1]).
I have to say I may take more issue with the lyrics if I was a native English speaker. Cause I hate listening to German songs because I always think about how crappy and cliched the lyrics sound. In English, everything sounds better to me from the outset :) So i guess it also depends on what your native language is.
You're German?! I thought you were from Iran! Because you posted in all the Iranian threads [emoji5]
And I agree with you. Most Portuguese songs sound awful (not just lyrically). But when I translate them to English, they sometimes sound a bit better (not much, though). Still, Fix You is a nice song in lyrical terms. Not the best, but certainly not bad.

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The "ignite your bones" thing is a metaphor for the moment you reach the lights (heaven). I don't know how it feels too (thankfully [emoji1]).

You're German?! I thought you were from Iran! Because you posted in all the Iranian threads [emoji5]
And I agree with you. Most Portuguese songs sound awful (not just lyrically). But when I translate them to English, they sometimes sound a bit better (not much, though). Still, Fix You is a nice song in lyrical terms. Not the best, but certainly not bad.

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Really ? I'd have thought of it rather in terms of "warming your bones at the fire", so feeling comfortable. I don't think he talks about heaven in Fix You. Anyway, still a weird expression !

Well, I'm kinda both :)
 
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Really ? I'd have thought of it rather in terms of "warming your bones at the fire", so feeling comfortable. I don't think he talks about heaven in Fix You. Anyway, still a weird expression !

Well, I'm kinda both :)
Well, that's just my interpretation. I'm sure there are many others.

Curiously curious... [emoji5]

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I don't think it's subjective that Fix You's lyrics are cliched; they clearly are. Whether it gets away with this is opinion as you say. The lyrics you posted are another example of the bland cliches that plagued X&Y as a whole IMO, "fighting with my weak hand", "driven to distraction" and "all part of the plan" are familiar cliches, we've all heard them a million times before and Chris never explains what he means by them - why is he unable to deal with his problems? What are his problems? What is the distraction like? His lyrics rarely go deeper than a cliched expression of vague circumstances. Compare this with, say, Thom Yorke's lyricism around the time of The Bends/Ok Computer. A lot of the basic themes of these albums are similar to Coldplay at that time - namely paranoia, heartbreak, insecurity etc...but Yorke took his lyrics deeper by using striking, original imagery and by linking his pain with society, the media, and his own psyche to explain those themes in greater detail. Chris is capable of doing this, but he rarely does - and what you're left with is a string of bland, vague cliches like Fix You. Of course, the upside of these type of lyrics is that everyone and his mother will be able to relate to it in some way. Whether that is a good thing is, again, down to opinion.
 
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I don't think it's subjective that Fix You's lyrics are cliched; they clearly are. Whether it gets away with this is opinion as you say. The lyrics you posted are another example of the bland cliches that plagued X&Y as a whole IMO, "fighting with my weak hand", "driven to distraction" and "all part of the plan" are familiar cliches, we've all heard them a million times before and Chris never explains what he means by them - why is he unable to deal with his problems? What are his problems? What is the distraction like? His lyrics rarely go deeper than a cliched expression of vague circumstances. Compare this with, say, Thom Yorke's lyricism around the time of The Bends/Ok Computer. A lot of the basic themes of these albums are similar to Coldplay at that time - namely paranoia, heartbreak, insecurity etc...but Yorke took his lyrics deeper by using striking, original imagery and by linking his pain with society, the media, and his own psyche to explain those themes in greater detail. Chris is capable of doing this, but he rarely does - and what you're left with is a string of bland, vague cliches like Fix You. Of course, the upside of these type of lyrics is that everyone and his mother will be able to relate to it in some way. Whether that is a good thing is, again, down to opinion.
This is how I know Coldplay: ambiguous and vague. This is how they are able to reach so many people: through ambiguity. This way, everyone can relate to their songs, and not just a small group of people. I like this style of writing lyrics, because it's open to various interpretations. Some of their songs are very deep and others are vague. They're able to approach as many people as possible with their music, because of this. For me, it's a great thing.

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As I've said before somehwhere (not sure if it was in this thread), I like the lyrical vagueness because everyone can relate to the songs emotionally in some way. And thus the songs may be soothing or even helpful if you go through difficult times. That's a beautiful thing, at least I believe it is.
 
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As I've said before somehwhere (not sure if it was in this thread), I like the lyrical vagueness because everyone can relate to the songs emotionally in some way. And thus the songs may be soothing or even helpful if you go through difficult times. That's a beautiful thing, at least I believe it is.
I couldn't agree more.
This is exactly what I think of them. The ambiguity of their songs is what makes them a "band for eveyone".

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I don't think it's subjective that Fix You's lyrics are cliched; they clearly are. Whether it gets away with this is opinion as you say. The lyrics you posted are another example of the bland cliches that plagued X&Y as a whole IMO, "fighting with my weak hand", "driven to distraction" and "all part of the plan" are familiar cliches, we've all heard them a million times before and Chris never explains what he means by them - why is he unable to deal with his problems? What are his problems? What is the distraction like? His lyrics rarely go deeper than a cliched expression of vague circumstances. Compare this with, say, Thom Yorke's lyricism around the time of The Bends/Ok Computer. A lot of the basic themes of these albums are similar to Coldplay at that time - namely paranoia, heartbreak, insecurity etc...but Yorke took his lyrics deeper by using striking, original imagery and by linking his pain with society, the media, and his own psyche to explain those themes in greater detail. Chris is capable of doing this, but he rarely does - and what you're left with is a string of bland, vague cliches like Fix You. Of course, the upside of these type of lyrics is that everyone and his mother will be able to relate to it in some way. Whether that is a good thing is, again, down to opinion.
I agree with you on Fix You, but some songs of X&Y have the best lyrics of their catalogue. Square One, Speed Of Sound, Low, Swallowed In The Sea, Til Kingdom Come... only the ones on Fix You and A Message are cheesy and bland, the other songs are normal.
For The Bends/Ok Computer, there are some songs that are not so refined lirically, even if they are good songs, and there are songs with great lyrics that musically are not so good, but this is another story...
 

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I agree with you on Fix You, but some songs of X&Y have the best lyrics of their catalogue. Square One, Speed Of Sound, Low, Swallowed In The Sea, Til Kingdom Come... only the ones on Fix You and A Message are cheesy and bland, the other songs are normal.
For The Bends/Ok Computer, there are some songs that are not so refined lirically, even if they are good songs, and there are songs with great lyrics that musically are not so good, but this is another story...
Agree with you on some of the songs, but I like A Message lyrics and dislike the ones from Swallowed in the Sea ;)
We all have such different tastes, lol
 

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Haha true, I can't STAND the lyrics to Swallowed in the Sea - like not even cliched, just stupid. Forget but not forgive? That doesn't even make sense.
 
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Haha true, I can't STAND the lyrics to Swallowed in the Sea - like not even cliched, just stupid. Forget but not forgive? That doesn't even make sense.
Just a quick explanation of those lyrics:
Someone did something bad. He may forget about that thing but doesn't forgive the person.
Crystal clear.

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I wouldn't call Chris a poor lyricist at all. You can't write the lyrics for an album like AROBTTH and be a poor lyricist. People often criticize X&Y lyrically, bar A Message and some of Swallowed in the Sea, Lyrically X&Y is probably my favourite. Especially on the esoteric and cryptic songs such as Talk, Speed of Sound. There's a certain boldness and confidence in the AROBTTH lyrics and this is perfectly contrasted with the fearful, anxiety ridden lyrics on X&Y

I wouldn't necessarily call the Fix You lyrics cliche either. Chris's lyrics are usually vague and need to be deciphered, just because there more straight forward on Fix You doesn't mean there cliche. The lyrics are the main reason that song is as instantly recognizable and beloved as it is.
 
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I wouldn't call Chris a poor lyricist at all. You can't write the lyrics for an album like AROBTTH and be a poor lyricist. People often criticize X&Y lyrically, bar A Message and some of Swallowed in the Sea, Lyrically X&Y is probably my favourite. Especially on the esoteric and cryptic songs such as Talk, Speed of Sound. There's a certain boldness and confidence in the AROBTTH lyrics and this is perfectly contrasted with the fearful, anxiety ridden lyrics on X&Y

I wouldn't necessarily call the Fix You lyrics cliche either. Chris's lyrics are usually vague and need to be deciphered, just because there more straight forward on Fix You doesn't mean there cliche. The lyrics are the main reason that song is as instantly recognizable and beloved as it is.
The great lyrics arent's just in AROBTTH and X&Y. Parachutes, VLVODAAHF, MX and even GS have lyrical gems as well!
Spies, 42, DLIBYH, Midnight... These songs all have magnificent lyrics.

Fix You is one of Coldplay's better known and most loved songs (outside and inside the fandom). The verse "Lights will guide you home" is iconic. Coldplay will be remembered for it.

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